Republican Morality
 

OPne of the truest signs of being a staunch, conservative Republican is your public abhorrance of anything sexual while privately participating in the same or more debasede sexual deviance.

Prime examples

Newt Gingrinch

And Now........ Mark Foley, who was one of the leaders of the impeach Clinton movement and who wrote most of the legislation against internet predators while he was the proverbial "fox (news) in the henhouse".

Political dogma on either side belies common sense.

Prime Examples- Jim McGreevey, Bill Clinton, Mel Reynolds, Gerry Studds

What's worst is that these guys claim to be the party of family values. Jesus warned us against their type always talking about god and morals but delight in evil.

So its better to be the party of no values, so nobody holds you to a standard...I see.

Please quit w/ the strawman questions....what's happening to the GOP is what's happening to Bush all bullsh#t will evenually come to light. Since you're always telling others to read Bob Woodward books, have you read his last book State of Denial?

You mean the one where the White House stopped giving him access because they were concerned he was taking a slanted view? Nah, I haven't read it yet. I'll probably just read Michael Moore's blog, its about the same thing.

More of your BS....first you agree w/ what he saids then when he holds Bush's feet to the fire you come up w/ crap like this.

You mean I respect his first non-partisan book in which he was given access to the administration? Yeah, I do.

Now he writes one that is blatantly anti-administration, and one that was written with a gaping lack of primary sources, so yeah, I do question this one.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I fail to see how Democrats are really the beacon of morality in this country. Maybe I'd understand if I happened to find $100,000 in my freezer.

Most Americans would rather money in the freezer then a congressman who claims to be against child molestation trying to seduce a little boy.....I notice not once in this thread did you say Mark Foley was wrong, your only response was to attack Dems and deflect attention away from the real issue.

Mark Foley is wrong. Its disgusting, I hope he goes to prison. I don't care if he's a Republican or not. My point is that when something like this happened, the immediate response on from the thread starter was to attack Republicans in general.

Hi pot, meet kettle.

That's not true when the Dems (F)up again..and I'm sure one will..you can bet a thread would be started about it.

Well theres a difference between a thread being started, and one being started naming all democrats as morally corrupt. However, you can be assured I won't be starting a thread labeling all Dems as a certain way.

Like I said b/f I don't vote just one party I vote for the best canidate. In South Carolina there have been (3) real good Governors (since I've live there) two GOP and 1 Dem. The last Gop guy got screwed b/c he took the rebel flag from atop the sate house and the Dem got screw b/c he was a Dem in South Carolina. I have a dislike for Bush b/c of the dirty political tricks he pulled on John McCain (GOP) in the South Carolina ads and phone calls where they questioned his military back ground and his mental state.

As far as I know none of these "offenders" cloak themselves with the mantle of Family Values and used this as a political strategy. We are al sinners but it's very precarious being a demagogue on these issues because we humans do have our weaknesses and they will be exposed, sadly to say.

The biggest sin I see the Republicans being a part of is the one that tripped up Satan: actually believing the hype that you are better than the Godless, libertine, anti-American Democrats. If you convince yourself of this then you'll be blinded by pride and slip into all kinds of unethical and immoral behaviour,justifying it on the grounds of the morality of your cause, God's cause. If you're a Christian and take the Bible seriously, and not simply for use as political slogans, then you know that we are all fallen beings, whatever political persuasion we may be. And if we put ourselves in the place of playing God, we'll be humbled. This is what I see happening to the GOP now. "Pride goeth before the fall."

I'm sure thats true for some, but there is no shortage of self-righteous Dems. Painting any group with one brush is a bad decision.

What.. so every time a member of the GOP screws up your reponse is that the Dems do it to.....like Wolf said it's the GOP who proclaim to be so self rigtheous.

The Republicans have long tried to paint themselves as the conservative voice of morality for this country. This is what makes all of these mishaps so noteworthy.

People are people and both Dems and Repubs are full of crap. But don't be the posterboy against child pornography, abortion, gay marriage and other weighty topics, claiming they weight down on the morality of this country, and then be exposed as a criminal or "social misfit" in your own right.

Did this thread call Republicans morally corrupt and label all Republicans as a certain way?

That would make a nice Campaign slogan....I like it.

If you'll notice, I was referring to the starter of the thread.

I feel similarly about Dem and Repub politicians who speak out against illegal immigration but have illegal immigrants doing their landscaping or working their building contracts.

Hypocrisy knows no political party. But being from certain political traditions and platforms certainly makes your hypocrisy more interesting.

I noticed. Now answer my question.

"OPne of the truest signs of being a staunch, conservative Republican is your public abhorrance of anything sexual while privately participating in the same or more debasede sexual deviance."

Sounds a little broad, doesnt it?

No Doggy is talking about staunch conservative you also have moderate Conservatives like Colin Powel, John McCain and others.

Only if you insist but do you really consider yourself to be a staunch, conservative Republican? Perhaps that blind political loyalty and moral outspoken(ness?) is what breeds the observation the OP had.

Exactly.

"Everything's immoral...unless I do it in the privacy of my own home...it's okay if a successful businessman such as myself does it, but we can't let just ANYONE do it because this country will go to Hell...."

Staunch conservative is far from blindy partisan...most staunch conservatives I know are disenchanted with the republican party.

Because? :)

Because its not that conservative. However, there is a big difference between being unimpressed with the current state of GOP politics, and voting or leaning democratic. I'll take a less conservative GOP over the weak stance of the DNC anyday.

:D They want stricter morality and anti-government intervention and control? To be disenchanted should mean to forego party loyalty and instead vote based on political platforms.

Either way, both the Democrats and Republicans are the devil. Go Independent.

Hey Shinerbock
 

My point in the post was that people who are imprisoned in political dogma, particularly of the self-righteous variety invariably fall because like Wolf said, we all fall prey to human frailty and taking the moral high ground has slippery slopes. Using such moral platitudes to pander to a base that you only plan to prostitute leaves you little wiggle room when your personal peccadillos come to light

Newt Gingrich was in an extra-marital affair and divorced his wife after she was diagnosed with cancer. Some family values. He left unwillingly.

Rush Limbaugh= drug addict, felon, and sexual predator (sex trips to the Dominican Republic to have sex with teenage girls).

Jim Wright lead formal impeachment hearings against Clinton. Had to resign when his adulterous affair came to light.

Tom Delay Rep Majority Leader leaves in disgrace due to multiple corruption charges.

As for most Democrats, they don't cloak themselves in Moral Dogma as part of their political strategy since as Anne Coulter-geist states, they are "godless". If Dems are Godless then what is the Republican leadership.

Those named republicans have been disengenuous in pandering to the true moral conservatives who make up the hard right wing of the party and leaving them used like a crack whore. Just like the Dems do to Black voters.

As my Pastor says, "don't play with God"


Lastly, as a man of conviction, I admire yours to a point, but sometimes you have to realize, that you cannot be right all of the time just because your talking points say that you are. When faced with incontroverable facts a reasonable and intelligent person would concede or even dialogue on some points. However, only a demagogue cannot see fault or error in himself and his views, nor the good and validity in his opponent. There is no growth nor enlightenment. Fanatics, fundamentalists, the intellectually lazy, and fools let slogans and dogma speak for them rather than rational thought.

Of course, my only contention is that equal amounts of corruption, moral indiscretion, etc...exists on the other side of the aisle. So long as you realize this, thats fine.

So, because a few Republicans have gotten off the beatonpath, ALL Republicans are bad? That doesnt make much logical sence to me. Democrats have been taken care of by interns. They have had affairs ontheir wives. DOes that make all of them bad?

You cant stereotype a whle group of people because of a few. Thats what white people have been doing to us for years. Take the better road and dont be like that.

We're waiting for the staunch, conservative Republicans to realize this so they can stop beating America over the head with their "morality." :)

Yes. Thanks for visiting our wonderful thread.

Thanks for having me.

So where would I fit in? I considr myself a Consrvative Democrat. I am conservative because I am a Christian. I dont believe in homosexuality. I dont believe in hand outs. I believe in helping one lift himself by his own bootstraps. I believe in small governement involvment in peoples lives. I am a Democrat mainly because I do believe it is govt's responsibility to help the down troddin (To a certian degree). Ialso believe in a strong defense ( Guess thats another conservative view)

Not with the topic of the thread. This is a very specific topic that highlights the irony of a political party affiliation with a particular moral platform. Only staunch, conservative Republicans need apply.

Christianity doesn't "require" conservativism. Especially if you know that there IS a difference between moral conservativism and political conservativism. You don't have to be pro-homosexuality to believe in human rights that don't discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Moreover, are Christians who aren't against homosexuality considered "bad Christians" now? The central and defining tenant of my faith doesn't require feeling a particular way about homosexuals. It doesn't require a particular political stance and certain moral stances should only be taken if they can be specifically supported by Scripture, as opposed to humans' interpretation of Scripture. The central tenant is the belief in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior--because He died so that I may be Saved--and a belief in a Living God.

Both conservatives and liberals with a grain of sense believe in helping people to help themselves, whether that means small or big government involvement. Only ultra-stingy conservatives in the upper echelon of income and wealth distribution truly believe in raw individualism believe it's "every human for his/herself." Only misguided liberals believe that handouts, and making people believe they are helpless victims, will work. Either case, the govt sponsored social welfare programs have overwhelmingly failed at helping people help themselves. If bipartisanism would give way to true human interest we'd probably be further ahead in terms of eliminating the poverty that is victimizing more helpless children than able bodied adults.

Touching and agreeing almost 100%. My point is that infusing political rhetoric with rigid religious dogma or the converse, infusing reilgious dogma with intractable political agendas, inevitably causes the polemicist to be in violation of their own tenets.

Shinerbock makes good points, but misses the point.. Pointing fingers is not an argument. Ad hominem platitudes do not further the conversation. Spouting party line talking points does not advance discourse. They only, obscure, deflect, and obsfucate. The debate is about leadership, not individuals. Democratic leadership is no more "moral" than republican leadership. However, they don't beat people over the head with "family values", demonize sexual minorities, or blame the other party for failing American morals and then participate in the very things that they decry. That is the essence of the thread