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kddani 09-11-2006 09:01 AM

Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel dies in Bahamas
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=2418187

Poor guy. He seemed like such a nice, normal kid despite his mother.

trideltrockstar 09-11-2006 09:12 AM

That's really sad to hear. :(

mulattogyrl 09-11-2006 09:16 AM

This is really sad. :(

Senusret I 09-11-2006 09:18 AM

Damn.....this really breaks my heart.

jon1856 09-11-2006 09:49 AM

Any death is sad to learn about.
IMHO, just as sad that this thread started at 9:01 AM on 9/11

kddani 09-11-2006 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856
IMHO, just as sad that this thread started at 9:01 AM on 9/11

How is that sad?

Honeykiss1974 09-11-2006 09:54 AM

Oh goodness. And right after they celebrated the birth of a new baby, this happens. My prayers go out to Anna and her family. I can't imagine what losing a child may be like. :(

f8nacn 09-11-2006 10:05 AM

This is definitely tragic news...my prayers are with the family.

jon1856 09-11-2006 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani
How is that sad?

kddani: IMHO, if you ask that, I am not in any position to answer. Just my POV I guess.

kddani 09-11-2006 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856
kddani: IMHO, if you ask that, I am not in any position to answer. Just my POV I guess.

Somebody died that is newsworthy, that all the news outlets reported, and you want to say that it is "sad" that I posted it at a particular time? I think it's sad and tacky that you would stoop to commenting on something like that with that sort of implication.

DSTinguished1 09-11-2006 11:42 AM

Very Sad :(

jon1856 09-11-2006 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani
Somebody died that is newsworthy, that all the news outlets reported, and you want to say that it is "sad" that I posted it at a particular time? I think it's sad and tacky that you would stoop to commenting on something like that with that sort of implication.

None of the news media or outlets that I was watching or lisening to said anything about it this morning at all. First report I heard was just now-on a music or entertainmet radio station.

Other matters happeining here today.

Yes, any death is sad. But what makes this one, today, so special?
The son of semi-celeberty dies.
Here, in NYC metro area, 3000 died five years ago.

I logged into CG to see if there were any discustions on that given the several shows last night and today-and was just not in the frame of mind to see your posting at that time.

Sorry if my posting seemed sad and tacky to you. I did label it my POV and MHO.

I return this thread to its original status......

Kevin 09-11-2006 11:57 AM

Don't know him. Don't really care. I'm not even sure why this is in the news.

Maybe what Jon's saying (and I'm perhaps putting words into his mouth) is that he's sad that Americans think stuff like this qualifies as "news." Out of the thousands of people who died that day, one was the son of a billionaire celebrity. Why should we care more about this kid than all the rest just because his mom married some billionaire, and presumably, he had some of that money?

-- also, the family's attorney's name is awesome.

jon1856 09-11-2006 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin
Don't know him. Don't really care. I'm not even sure why this is in the news.

Maybe what Jon's saying (and I'm perhaps putting words into his mouth) is that he's sad that Americans think stuff like this qualifies as "news." Out of the thousands of people who died that day, one was the son of a billionaire celebrity. Why should we care more about this kid than all the rest just because his mom married some billionaire, and presumably, he had some of that money?

-- also, the family's attorney's name is awesome.

Thank you Kevin.
You are correct.

AlphaFrog 09-11-2006 12:09 PM

Is the world, or at least the US, supposed to stop every year on 9/11?

What difference does it make if she started this thread on 9/11...at *gasp* 9:01 am. What difference does it make if she started it at 9:11 am?

There's a point where sensativity goes overboard.

Plus, if we DO stop the world every 9/11, then we've given the terrorists exactly what they wanted.

jon1856 09-11-2006 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Is the world, or at least the US, supposed to stop every year on 9/11?

What difference does it make if she started this thread on 9/11...at *gasp* 9:01 am. What difference does it make if she started it at 9:11 am?

There's a point where sensativity goes overboard.

Plus, if we DO stop the world every 9/11, then we've given the terrorists exactly what they wanted.

Your answer is contained in both Kevin's and my postings....never said anything about stopping the world......

Kevin 09-11-2006 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Is the world, or at least the US, supposed to stop every year on 9/11?

What difference does it make if she started this thread on 9/11...at *gasp* 9:01 am. What difference does it make if she started it at 9:11 am?

There's a point where sensativity goes overboard.

Plus, if we DO stop the world every 9/11, then we've given the terrorists exactly what they wanted.

I don't care that it's 9/11. I care that the guy was pretty insignificant. Certainly less significant than say, a middle class guy who was a father, husband, etc. Certainly less "sad" as y'all like to say.

kddani 09-11-2006 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856
None of the news media or outlets that I was watching or lisening to said anything about it this morning at all. First report I heard was just now-on a music or entertainmet radio station.

Other matters happeining here today.

Yes, any death is sad. But what makes this one, today, so special?
The son of semi-celeberty dies.
Here, in NYC metro area, 3000 died five years ago.

I logged into CG to see if there were any discustions on that given the several shows last night and today-and was just not in the frame of mind to see your posting at that time.

Sorry if my posting seemed sad and tacky to you. I did label it my POV and MHO.

I return this thread to its original status......

It was on the front page of cnn.com, abcnews.com and other significant media outlets when I posted it this morning.

I think Anna Nicole is a whack job, no question. But her son is only 20 and is fairly well known and the circumstances of his death are unknown. It's noteable for cnn and abc news, and Anna Nicole has been talked about here. I read it, thought others would be interested, and posted it here.

As Alphafrog said, the world can't stop for this all. Life does go on. That doesn't mean that we don't remember things. And every person deals with it in their own way.

Yes, larger events are happening in the world today. Like my boyfriend, who is a volunteer firefighter, has been fighting a rather large fire in our area since 7AM this morning. I'm both proud and worried sick about him.

Doesn't this kind of criticizing and bickering kinda go against what we "should" be doing/remembering/what have you on this day?

WCUgirl 09-11-2006 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin
I don't care that it's 9/11. I care that the guy was pretty insignificant. Certainly less significant than say, a middle class guy who was a father, husband, etc. Certainly less "sad" as y'all like to say.

Eh, I disagree. I think it's very tragic when youths die unexpectedly, regardless of who they were or who their parents were. This boy will never experience many things a middle class guy who was a father, husband, etc. has experienced. But, that's just my personal feeling on the issue. :)

AlphaFrog 09-11-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin
I don't care that it's 9/11.


That was my point. I happen to agree, that I don't really care much about Anna Nicole's family, but it's not offensive to post because "Dude, it's 9/11 and 3000 people died on this day".

Phasad1913 09-11-2006 12:49 PM

wait a minute, she can start whatever thread she wants to start on this board. Who are you or anyone else to chastize someone for starting a thread they felt compelled to start? YOU go and focus on the terrorist attacks all day long, that's YOU. but you don't have to say things like why do we care. If yo don't care about him being dead, then skip the damn thread. its that simple. No one has to defend their decision to start a particular thread. There is a thread going that commemorates the terrorist attacks. If that is all you want to focus on today, then simply keep your eyes on that thread. You could have refrained from clicking on the link to the thread if it irrititated or baffled you that much.

jitterbug13 09-11-2006 01:05 PM

I just read this. Condolences to Anna Nicole and her family. :(

jon1856 09-11-2006 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phasad1913
wait a minute, she can start whatever thread she wants to start on this board. Who are you or anyone else to chastize someone for starting a thread they felt compelled to start? YOU go and focus on the terrorist attacks all day long, that's YOU. but you don't have to say things like why do we care. If yo don't care about him being dead, then skip the damn thread. its that simple. No one has to defend their decision to start a particular thread. There is a thread going that commemorates the terrorist attacks. If that is all you want to focus on today, then simply keep your eyes on that thread. You could have refrained from clicking on the link to the thread if it irrititated or baffled you that much.

Phasad;
Re-read post number 12-answers your comment.

AlphaFrog 09-11-2006 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856
Phasad;
Re-read post number 12-answers your comment.

Stop telling people to go back and read posts. We've read them, and that's what we're commenting on. Telling us to go back and read them again doesn't change our feelings on what you posted in the first place.

Kevin 09-11-2006 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phasad1913
wait a minute, she can start whatever thread she wants to start on this board. Who are you or anyone else to chastize someone for starting a thread they felt compelled to start? YOU go and focus on the terrorist attacks all day long, that's YOU. but you don't have to say things like why do we care. If yo don't care about him being dead, then skip the damn thread. its that simple. No one has to defend their decision to start a particular thread. There is a thread going that commemorates the terrorist attacks. If that is all you want to focus on today, then simply keep your eyes on that thread. You could have refrained from clicking on the link to the thread if it irrititated or baffled you that much.

You might want to read the entire thread before you hit that reply button next time.

MysticCat 09-11-2006 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani
Doesn't this kind of criticizing and bickering kinda go against what we "should" be doing/remembering/what have you on this day?

You're right, it does.

But it applies both ways. It applies to those who are "not in the frame of mind" to read a posting about the death, however sad, of a demi-celebrity and as a result submit a post that strikes some as tacky. It also applies to those who insist on criticizing that poster for being too sensitive and offending too easily. There's enough sympathy to go around for everyone.

Jon, I know from your other posts here that today is a day of particular sadness and poignancy for you. I hope you find some comfort today.

Dani, I hope your boyfriend is okay. I can't imagine the stress I would feel pretty constantly if someone close to me was putting his life in danger like that.

And for the record, although I think Anna Nicole Smith is, like Paris Hilton, a sad example of America's obsession with celebrities who have done absolutely nothing to deserve celebrity, I always feel sympathy for anyone who has lost a child. That includes Anna Nicole Smith and her family.

jon1856 09-11-2006 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat81
You're right, it does.

But it applies both ways. It applies to those who are "not in the frame of mind" to read a posting about the death, however sad, of a demi-celebrity and as a result submit a post that strikes some as tacky. It also applies to those who insist on criticizing that poster for being too sensitive and offending too easily. There's enough sympathy to go around for everyone.

Jon, I know from your other posts here that today is a day of particular sadness and poignancy for you. I hope you find some comfort today.

Dani, I hope your boyfriend is okay. I can't imagine the stress I would feel pretty constantly if someone close to me was putting his life in danger like that.

And for the record, although I think Anna Nicole Smith is, like Paris Hilton, a sad example of America's obsession with celebrities who have done absolutely nothing to deserve celebrity, I always feel sympathy for anyone who has lost a child. That includes Anna Nicole Smith and her family.

'Cat81:
So true-all of what you wrote.
Thank you.

Drolefille 09-11-2006 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat81
You're right, it does.

But it applies both ways. It applies to those who are "not in the frame of mind" to read a posting about the death, however sad, of a demi-celebrity and as a result submit a post that strikes some as tacky. It also applies to those who insist on criticizing that poster for being too sensitive and offending too easily. There's enough sympathy to go around for everyone.

Jon, I know from your other posts here that today is a day of particular sadness and poignancy for you. I hope you find some comfort today.

Dani, I hope your boyfriend is okay. I can't imagine the stress I would feel pretty constantly if someone close to me was putting his life in danger like that.

And for the record, although I think Anna Nicole Smith is, like Paris Hilton, a sad example of America's obsession with celebrities who have done absolutely nothing to deserve celebrity, I always feel sympathy for anyone who has lost a child. That includes Anna Nicole Smith and her family.

However, should not someone who will be offended by reading about the post of a quasi celeb's death avoid clicking on such threads? Because really, then you're only reading to criticize.

Kevin 09-11-2006 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille
However, should not someone who will be offended by reading about the post of a quasi celeb's death avoid clicking on such threads? Because really, then you're only reading to criticize.

What's wrong with being critical of what the news media chooses to cover?

MysticCat 09-11-2006 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille
However, should not someone who will be offended by reading about the post of a quasi celeb's death avoid clicking on such threads? Because really, then you're only reading to criticize.

I'll agree with your question -- maybe the better course of action is just to avoid the thread altogether. But I won't agree on the statement, though, as I'm not sure one is only reading to criticize. But that's one reason I said that the "spirit of the day" might counsel against suggesting that the thread was inappropriate under the circumstances. (For some, it might counsel against reading the thread altogether.)

But I know where Jon was coming from, and I know where those who criticized him were coming from. As foreign as it is to the culture of GC at times, there really are times we all just need to cut each other some slack.

jon1856 09-11-2006 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille
However, should not someone who will be offended by reading about the post of a quasi celeb's death avoid clicking on such threads? Because really, then you're only reading to criticize.

IIRC I answered this, in part, before.

I entered the news group looking for something else, different topic.

Saw something else, something caught me eye...the rest is all here....I did not just click on something just to criticize it..........

But, is there anything wrong with criticizing what media choises to cover and how....and wondering how and why others wish to follow it.....but thats what pays the bills at several media companies.....

jon1856 09-11-2006 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat81
I'll agree with your question -- maybe the better course of action is just to avoid the thread altogether. But I won't agree on the statement, though, as I'm not sure one is only reading to criticize. But that's one reason I said that the "spirit of the day" might counsel against suggesting that the thread was inappropriate under the circumstances. (For some, it might counsel against reading the thread altogether.)

But I know where Jon was coming from, and I know where those who criticized him were coming from. As foreign as it is to the culture of GC at times, there really are times we all just need to cut each other some slack.

Again-very well said and put.

Drolefille 09-11-2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856
IIRC I answered this, in part, before.

I entered the news group looking for something else, different topic.

Saw something else, something caught me eye...the rest is all here....I did not just click on something just to criticize it..........

But, is there anything wrong with criticizing what media choises to cover and how....and wondering how and why others wish to follow it.....but thats what pays the bills at several media companies.....

Big difference between commenting on the News Media and what it reports and saying it's "sad" that this thread started at 9:01 on 9/11. That implies that you find the thread distasteful, not the news coverage.

Quite frankly, since Fox News plays in our bank lobby all day, I'm glad for both the employees and customers sakes that it isn't 9/11 coverage all the time all day long. Covering it on TV is just as big of a beg for ratings as mentioning the death of Daniel. Thus I do not find it sad that a) anything besides 9/11 is reported on, even mostly trivial things or b) that we are discussing it (even though we're not, we're discussing what we should be discussing)

CutiePie2000 09-11-2006 04:16 PM

That is sad; no parent would want to outlive their child(ren).

Unregistered- 09-11-2006 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000
That is sad; no parent would want to outlive their child(ren).

Last spring my 18 year old niece died as a result of injuries she got in a car wreck. I couldn't bear to look at my sister and brother-in-law. They've become different people, and even months later I don't think they've fully accepted it.

So regardless of whether or not you agree with this type of journalism, I think everyone just needs to chill out and leave snippy comments aside. A parent lost her child. Can't you guys be critical elsewhere? Geez.

Marie 09-11-2006 04:28 PM

*Le sigh*

I'm really sorry for Anna Nicole's loss. As was stated...losing a child must be a pain that's nearly too great to bear. I can't imagine.

Unregistered- 09-11-2006 06:47 PM

Looks like the news just gets worse.

Sources say he died at mom's bedside.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/...cole_smith_son

:(

mulattogyrl 09-11-2006 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTW
Looks like the news just gets worse.

Sources say he died at mom's bedside.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/...cole_smith_son

:(

Oh my gosh. That's just...wow. :( :(

Rudey 09-11-2006 08:53 PM

Millions die every day. If I had to rank this dude's death on a list of important deaths, I'd place it at the bottom. And it wasn't listed on any news outlet I saw today (and if it was it was a joke) because nobody cares about her F list celeb status or her son.

Reuters has it all the way at the bottom of its news stories. Below the "Oddly enough" section which always features bizarre stories about someone winning an air guitar championship. NY Times not at all. Fox News has a tiny link to it next to a link for the Gaming Granny - a grandmother that wins a lot of video game awards evidently. MSN has it right below an article entitled "Should Britney ditch K-Fed" and "Wal-mart models on the catwalk". ABC has it next to an article entitled "Bathhouses - The New Old Sex Clubs" and a poll asking people about the meanest things they've ever done.

-Rudey

kddani 09-11-2006 08:59 PM

Hell, it's even on the foxnews.com homepage.

Fox News, CNN, ABC, MSN, Reuters, etc. all have it mentioned on their homepages.

I think it's also novel news because she just gave birth, then loses her other child so soon after.


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