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Coramoor 09-05-2006 04:00 PM

Expansion Problems
 
I just finished reading the Beta Magazine...and wow. Talk about sugar coating our expansion issues.

We have 120 chapters...down from 122 on the fact sheet on the website and down from 129 when I pledged. Our pledge numbers are down from last year and our active number has decreased as well. I began looking at the recent expansions, and oddly 9 out of the 15 I could get actual number for are below Beta's national average in actives, with 5 of them being in the red zone. There are 13 chapters total in the red zone out of all 120 chapters.

That says to me that our expansion program needs to be reworked. I think rather than concentrating on more leadership programs and making chapters send delegates our AO needs to start dedicating itself to Expansions.

sdbeta1 09-05-2006 09:04 PM

The only place in the magazine I saw a reference to 120 chapters was in Tom Olver's 'From the Editor' column. I still believe the number is at 122, as 120 is just a reference. However, only about 88 of the 122 chapters are actually in good standing. They are more focused in steady growth while maintaining a high level of quality chapters across the board. The expansions should be compared to campus averages, not Beta's national average. The first issue an expansion has to deal with is recruitment, as it is the most pressing need. Also, chartering is not possible if numbers remain below the all-campus average. I don't believe there are any issues with expansions that are being sugarcoated.

Oldest_Pledge 09-06-2006 09:29 AM

Another Approach
 
I would like to see the GF, Districts and Alums get together and pick some of the older closed chapters for re-colonization/activation. Just look at the list of institutions. There should not be a problem with GPA's at 80+% of them. Butler in Indianapolis, IN, The Naval Academy (if the Feds will let this happen, the Midshipman do have a lot on their plate) and there are others.

Also, look at joint chapters where two major institutions are very close. Yes, I know that there is some pride issues here but I am more for brotherhood than institutional pride or bragging rights. My dead colony at Indiana State (died 1983) and Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Terre Haute, IN would be a nice start.

A drive to rebuild must be undertaken. The Alums (myself included) need to come to the aid of chapter close to them. I am not near one, so I would support via $$$ or building a new chapter at U Pitt Johnstown, PA.

Just one brothers opinion.:)

In _kai_, Ed

Coramoor 09-06-2006 10:01 AM

I was lumping expansion and recruitment into the same catagory.

I've been to a number of the leadership programs, but the only ones that I actually enjoyed was BWC. The rest were not that fun nor did I learn anything that a brother who went through the rituals didn't already know. I would like to see more money go to expansion and more workshops on recruitment.

At the last Convention I attended someone said that each expansion costs $50,000. $50,000!! If that's true...then someone has their hand in the cookie jar. Granted I don't know everything that goes into their effort, but I find that figure hard to believe. We should be expanding to at least 10 campuses a year right now until we meet our goal of 200 chapters.

Recruitment workshops would help both the chapters that have just recently been recolonized and active chapters that are having trouble. Most of the active chapters problems come from recruitment problems, whether it's lack of numbers or drawing out of the wrong pool.

The Foundation is there the guarante Beta's future...well spend some of it on expansion and recruitment.

sdbeta1 09-06-2006 10:58 AM

In terms of recruitment workshops, expansions are being given these. It is part of the first semester back, and it lasts about an entire day. However, I would not be unreceptive to the idea of creating recruitment consultants. A steady pace is good in terms of expansion. There is a trade-off between keeping chapters open, and opening new chapters. What is the good in opening 10 chapters, only in having to close 10 other chapters? I know that this coming convention will have a few more colonies than average applying for charter, mine included.

Coramoor 09-06-2006 12:14 PM

Again, that's why more recruitment/expansion resources need to go to both active chapters and colonies.

My chapter had a very difficult time recruiting pledges for the longest time. We fixed it ourselves, but after a lot of growing pains and a lot of medicore rush weeks. It should be a flag to the GF if a chapter that generally has 20+ pledges suddenly drops to 4, or if the chapter is far below the campus average of pledge class size.

furmanbeta 09-06-2006 03:19 PM

I think a major reality that we need to face is that we are placing expansion efforts in the wrong places. Let's look at where we have expanded to in the past 3 years. Eastern Kentucky, Bethany College, Florida International, U of Iowa, Cal-Irvine, Loyola Marymount, Hampden Sydney, Denison, Central Michigan , U of San Diego and Colorado State.

Now, this is an alright list, but let's look at it in a slightly different light. We went to Eastern Kentucky, but don't have a chapter at the University of Kentucky. We went to Bethany, but haven't ever had a chapter at Marshall. We went to Florida International, but apparently forgot to get a chapter at U of Miami. Cal Irvine, Marymount, and San Diego, not USC. I hope you can somewhat see my point here. If we want to be taken seriously as a national fraternity, maybe we should put emphasis on getting into a couple more national universities, not the little ones in the area.

I find it interesting that the price of expansion is roughly $50,000 per year. When we were discussing the situation at Convention 2005 in Scottsdale, I was told that the price was $30,000. Going on the idea that the price is in the middle (say $40K), I think we should maybe see a slightly better return than we've been getting. When we expanded to Bethany this year, we got 14 founding fathers. That breaks down to almost $3000 per guy gotten. That just doesn't cut it. Recruitment has to become our major focus, especially since the capital campaign has concluded. 200 chapters isn't anywhere near an unreasonable number, and it's definitely possible to maintain high standards while still maintaining high numbers. Things have to change. That and the GF needs to stop shutting down so many god damn chapters.

BigRedBeta 09-06-2006 05:39 PM

I agree with the issues, we need to keep expanding, there's no question.

I tend to think that we baby our colonies and don't push them far enough enough fast enough. While I think it's smart to bring them along slower than most other organizations do, we go too slow...that might also help with the expense.

I've had discussion with fellow brothers about how the GF always brags about their founding father classes and who they are able to lure, but doesn't seem to have very solid recruiting tools made available to chapters (or colonies as it appears). While friendship based recruiting works, that's not something that really wows rushees to generate interest. Even chapters like my own which has won recruitment awards at convention could use ways to energize rush every now and then. We always complain about our lack of numbers of actives at rush events compared to other houses (remember we have summer rush so getting guys to events is a different challenge).

Coramoor 09-06-2006 06:46 PM

furmanbeta,

I asked a few of the GF officers why we don't expand to some of the schools you mentioned and some other very large, very greek schools. The answer I recieved was 'we don't want to associate Beta with the Greeks on those campuses'. Basically saying that they thought that the Greek and academic systems at places such as Wash. and Lee don't gel with how Beta wants to be known.

Then they went on to say that if my chapter was ever shut down, WVU, we would probably never be recolonized. Even though we have had State Govs., Federal Judges, Senators, etc all come from my chapter. It's really nice to know that we have that kind of support.

sdbeta1 09-06-2006 09:38 PM

Recent Expansions
 
Projects for 2006-07 include:
Iowa State University
University of Miami
University of Southern California
Kettering University A
University of Dayton
Kettering University B

Beta Theta Pi has executed many expansions or recolonizations in recent years, including:
Eastern Kentucky University (2006)
Bethany College (2006)
Florida International University (2005)
University of Iowa (2005)

University of California, Irvine (2005)
Loyola Marymount University (2005)
Hampden Sydney College (2004)
Denison University (2004)
Central Michigan University (2004)
University of San Diego (2004)
Colorado State University (2004)
Indiana University (2003)
Virginia Tech (2003)
Columbia University (2003)
East Carolina University (2002)
University of Mississippi (2002)
Oklahoma State University (2001)
The College of William and Mary (2001)
University of Pennsylvania (2000)

sdbeta1 09-06-2006 09:42 PM

Colony Education
 
Beta Theta Pi executes five to six expansions/recolonizations annually. The driving force and key message of each expansion is the Men of Principle initiative. The colonization is led by a three/four person team of professional staff members who will recruit founding fathers for approximately 20 days. Colony eduation consists of a seven-week educational model offset by three weekend retreats. With a dedicated advisory team and the support of the General Fraternity, a strong colony culture can be created that will be successful long term.

Upon accepting a bid, each founding father receives a colony education manual, a Son of the Stars pledge manual, three retreat work booklets, a Beta CD and a song book.

The seven-week educational model is typically conducted on Sunday nights in two-hour meetings. Below is a synopsis of the weekly discussion topics.

Week 1 - Founding Father Education
Week 2 - Cultivation of the Intellect
Week 3 - Leadership Development & Self Governance
Week 4 - Member Education and Commitment to Community
Week 5 - Colony Advisors and Responsible Personal Conduct
Week 6 - Communication and Lifelong Fraternal Brotherhood
Week 7 - Beta Initiation Week

A leadership consultant from the General Fraternity will be on site for the entire duration of the colony education process. A trained five-person advisory team also mentors the colony. At a minimum, the team consists of a chapter counselor, pledge education advisor, risk management advisor, recruitment advisor and financial advisor. Further, the Fraternity looks to place a leadership development advisor, a community service advisor, an alumni-relations advisor and a parents association advisor.

The colony education process is vital to the long-term success of the re-colonization. Beta Theta Pi values this responsibility as a top priority. The recruitment period is not viewed as "hit and run," leaving the founding fathers to educate themselves. Guidance, resources and support back up the colony steering them in the right direction to create a healthy, sustainable culture.

Oldest_Pledge 09-07-2006 11:10 AM

Request for Clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coramoor
I asked a few of the GF officers why we don't expand to some of the schools you mentioned and some other very large, very greek schools. ......TEXT Removed for brevity......

Then they went on to say that if my chapter was ever shut down, WVU, we would probably never be recolonized. .......

I hearby respectfully request that GF put this statement in writting or publicly refute the statement.

Coramoor 09-07-2006 12:27 PM

I remember the exact person that said that.

His name was Josh, I think, and he was a Ed. Const. for my chapter. I believe that ECUJacob knows him.

a.e.B.O.T. 09-07-2006 10:08 PM

I dont know which one of you are from colonies, and which ones aren't. I myself am from a colony at a small school but a school that has a lot of Beta history (Denison). I keep wondering about how you guys think the colonies are spoiled. We don't get that much help, and when we do get help, it is more of a hinderous. My colony is rather self-suficient, and a lot of the colonies are, because the AO keeps finding the best guys to make them so. We barely get anymore attention then the chapters (and i speak for my area), so I really don't think that point, which keeps comming up is fair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedBeta
I agree with the issues, we need to keep expanding, there's no question.

I tend to think that we baby our colonies and don't push them far enough enough fast enough. While I think it's smart to bring them along slower than most other organizations do, we go too slow...that might also help with the expense.

I've had discussion with fellow brothers about how the GF always brags about their founding father classes and who they are able to lure, but doesn't seem to have very solid recruiting tools made available to chapters (or colonies as it appears). While friendship based recruiting works, that's not something that really wows rushees to generate interest. Even chapters like my own which has won recruitment awards at convention could use ways to energize rush every now and then. We always complain about our lack of numbers of actives at rush events compared to other houses (remember we have summer rush so getting guys to events is a different challenge).


a.e.B.O.T. 09-07-2006 10:09 PM

ALSO, we have to be offered to come back... we can propose yes, but the school can easily deny it, as I know my school has for 3 fraternities in the last 2 years. Some of those state schools may not want beta back, or atleast not right now.

ECUJacob 09-07-2006 10:57 PM

Quote:

His name was Josh, I think, and he was a Ed. Const. for my chapter. I believe that ECUJacob knows him.
I have known quite a few Leadership Consultants in my time as a Beta, but I don't readily recall one named Josh. Although I do agree that before opening a chapter we should evaluate whether or not we should "associate ourselves with their Greek Community".

I also think it would be a great idea to reactivate some closed chapters. North Carolina, as a state, only has three chapters. I've heard rumors of starting up a chapter at UNC-Wilmington. That might work, but it might not. I wonder if they've considered reopening the Davidson chapter.

I have had a lot of trouble understanding why Florida has 8 chapters/colonies and some other states only have a couple.

furmanbeta 09-08-2006 08:19 AM

Whoa there Jake. Do we want to be associated with a given school's Greek Community should not be the question here. The question should be, do we want to be associated with the school? If you're at a quality school, you have a great chance of getting quality guys, regardless of whether or not the Greek system at the school is shit. With that mindset, let me just throw out a couple of schools that we SHOULD be associated with:

Washington and Lee
Wake Forest
University of Richmond
Wofford
The College of Charleston
Union College (yeah, just a little bit of history at that joint)
Harvard
Amherst
Dartmouth
Swarthmore
Davidson (though I'm pretty sure fraternities aren't allowed there anymore)

And this is what I came up with in about 2 minutes. Small schools, great reputations, and Beta's not there. We either used to be or never tried. We need a bunch of the major state schools to get added too. Who are we to say that a given school isn't worthy of having Beta Theta Pi there? I guarentee you that at ALL of these schools, there are literally hundreds of guys who would make great Betas, but can't because Beta's not there. Get off your high horse, we need to expand rapidly.

ECUJacob 09-08-2006 09:54 AM

Quote:

Get off your high horse, we need to expand rapidly.
Rest assured, furmanbeta, I'm not on a "high horse", as you so rudely put it. I'm speaking from personal experience. Your mentality is both scary and ignorant. Before expanding an organization into oblivion, maybe you should consider the status of our current chapters. Before adding more kids to a family, we should make sure we can house/feed/clothe the ones we have first. Given that the GF only has a given # of staff members, they won't be able to execute but a small number of expansions every year.

Quote:

If you're at a quality school, you have a great chance of getting quality guys, regardless of whether or not the Greek system at the school is shit.
That's not true. Regardless of the quality of your school, if your Greek Life system is unsatisfactory or unappealing, no students will want to be a part of it. A good example? EAST CAROLINA. Our Greek system is in desparate need of reform/repair. That being said, our school is only 7% Greek because of the negative public image it holds.

sdbeta1 09-08-2006 11:44 AM

Washington and Lee, Richmond, Wofford, Charleston, Union, Amherst, Swarthmore, Davidosn??? I personally had never heard of any of these schools until after joining Beta, this being the first time I heard of Swarthmore or Wofford, with the exception of a few I don't even know what state those campuses are located. What makes these schools better suited than other schools such as Stanford, UCSD, Claremont McKenna, CIT, San Francisco, St. Marys, Gonzaga, Portland? There are always going to be more schools without Beta chapters, than schools with Beta chapters. Anyways, I'm off to flirt with the cute redhead sitting across the lab.

furmanbeta 09-08-2006 01:54 PM

First off, sdbeta, I was not suggesting that these are the only schools to which we should expand, I was merely throwing them out as examples. All of those schools are either within ECUJacob's vicinity, or colleges of national reknown. I was trying to relate it to him more directly, and was in no way trying to slight West Coast Schools.

Now, back to you Jake. I hate to break it to you, but from an academic standpoint, y'all aren't even close to the league of the schools I mentioned, with the possible exceptions of Wofford and Union (I don't know their admission standards quite as well). I can't speak to whether or not your school's Greek system needs to change, as I don't go to school there. The point I was making is that there are a number of students out there, at your school and across the nation, who are Betas in spirit, but not members of the organization itself. Maybe it's because of the negative connotations of the Greek system in general, maybe it's because there isn't a Beta chapter there, maybe it's because the Beta chapter at their school sucks. Regardless of the situation, it does not diminish my point.

Should we fix failing chapters which are in existance? Absolutely. You can't be a powerhouse with many weak links in the chain. But does fixing chapters mean that you can't expand? I don't think it does. We are one of the wealthiest national fraternities in America, despite the fact that we are below many others in terms of both numbers of chapters and numbers of members (active or alumni). Recruitment needs to be Beta's next major focus. Recruitment within existing chapters, recruitment at new chapters.

Based on stats from US News and world report, your school has roughly 18,000 students. If 7% of them are Greek, that gives you about 1300 students engaged in Greek Life. That's not too horrible of a number. Larger schools inherently have smaller Greek populations on a percentage basis. You're actually existing in a chicken and the egg scenario, but apparently not seeing it. Does your school have low numbers because of the Greek system's reputation or maybe do people come to ECU because they don't want to be Greek? I can't answer this, and I'm not entirely sure that you could either.

Basically, we need to expand AND support our existing chapters better. It shouldn't be one or the other.

ZZ-kai- 09-08-2006 09:38 PM

You guys are hilarious. If you don't like the way Beta is expanding today, call up 800-800-BETA and talk to the Director of Expansion, or go to the nearby college (of your choice, of course) and start recruiting an interest group, then form the colony. Complaining, or discussing (whatever you want to call it), on some internet board, will accomplish nothing.

That said, I also agree that Beta needs to expand, big time. But I trust those who are in charge of expansion, to do the right thing - and I believe they are today. Could they do more? Yep. But so could you, I and everyone else.

PS, ETA: Bigger doesn't always mean better. IE, SigEp, TKE...etc. They expanded like rabbits, and it didn't really do them any good. "We have 250 chapters!". "Yeah, well you're still a TKE."

old_south 02-11-2007 02:53 PM

I think we need to stop the rapid expansion and take a look at some of the active chapters we have now which arent representing Beta well. When a chapter has less than 40 men, and no social involvement with other greek organizations this chapter needs help. When I go visit friends at Ole Miss for instance and tell people I am a Beta, immediately I must explian how our chapter is good and very different from the one at Ole Miss. I believe that the expansion will hurt us by adding sub-par chapters at a bunch of second tier schools. Instead we need to limit our numbers and improve the quality of chapters at the school which we are currently located.

EE-BO 02-11-2007 04:46 PM

Coramoor- if someone at GF ever said to me what was allegedly (not that I don't believe you- just being fair since the other side has not spoken here) said to you, I would have some choice words for him.

There are many arguments here- all with some merit, but none I could wholly endorse.

The difficulty I see here is in GF taking too much of a hand in operations- specifically in expansion efforts.

A chapter cannot expand and maintain itself without active alumni participation. Not just because of the volunteer resources at hand, but because a chapter with alumni who want to be involved is clearly a chapter that was doing something right to produce alumni who thought more of their time at Beta than those college years when they were getting drunk and getting laid.

And alumni who had a rich experience and care will also be eager to re-start their old chapter or assist in the building of a chapter at a college near their current residence.

I think expansion should begin in the alumni groups local to a given college.

Then GF, in an administrative capacity, can provide general guidance and some degree of administrative support (which helps with the costs but is not just giving out cash.)

RTS is a good example. This is great. It has helped my chapter recruit some top men- including our current President who is a damn good leader. $5,000 in RTS funds to help alumni with an expansion would be a great thing. It is not about the money so much as it is about the message that is sent- we want men who take their studies seriously. This is all the more important since colleges have expanded and more people are coming and either partying or dropping out because they should not even be there in the first place. RTS is a great way to send the message that we want people who are interested in a social life and in personal growth socially, but also know they are here to get a degree and have career choices first and foremost.

GF should of course have the ability to deny an expansion if they have a really good reason they are willing to state and stand by. A minimum degree of demonstrated alumni support is a good requirement- and perhaps the process should be drawn out a bit to ensure those alumni stay up with the process (i.e. you weed out those who lose interest quickly and will not be good long-term volunteers.) Plus GF should be able to limit the number of expansions in a given region in a given year.

But Risk Management and Image Management from the top is window dressing in my view- and does little to help either.

Risk and image management begins at the chapter level, and it has just as much to do with alumni involvement and the individuals recruited as it has to do with the reputation of a given school or Greek system.

My chapter happens to be at one of those big southern schools where the greeks are hated and frequent press targets. But most of those incidents can be attributed to a very few chapters- and certainly not ours. In fact, we have the longest continuity of any fraternity at my alma mater- we have never been shut down, ever.

And while I will not get specific here, I am sure many of you are aware of chapter(s) of ours that received huge MPI support and were considered to be at good schools with the right image- and yet our chapters there failed horribly and publicly.

30 years ago, fraternities- by all accounts- were pretty wild places compared to today. A fellow alum from a prior era recently told me that he does not like to tell stories about the "good old days" because he does not want to give the actives of today any ideas that they should stray from their current direction in an effort to emulate some of our past sins.

And this man happens to be a real key to our chapter's success today.

I think actives appreciate and look up to volunteer alumni who care about the chapter and also about applying our experience and maturity to temper some of the temptations of youth.

It is a fine line, but it is the same kind of positive and beneficial relationship that can come in any situation where someone who has "been there, done that" wants to help the new generation continue the legacy and maybe even make it a little better.

This is how you build a chapter- and it is not an overnight process. Time will tell if the current overnight process works, but I do not believe it will be any more successful than the approach I have outlined above. And the bad blood it is creating among the brotherhood cannot be ignored.

It is a good idea that, combined with what I am suggesting, would work out great. But for now, I think there is a bit too much reliance on GF and too little reliance on the alumni to identify and execute expansion efforts.

Firehouse 02-14-2007 02:00 AM

Men, thank you for being gracious and allowing me to come on the Beta board. I am not a Beta. I am an alumnus of a fraternity at Florida State, and I wish you would use your influence to push your national to reinstate your Delta Lambda chapter here. Coramoor, I think you and I corresponded once but I may be wrong. My father was a Beta at West Virginia.

The fraternity system here is mature, successful and well-housed (and housing is available). It's a beautiful southern campus, there are 40,000 students and the average fraternity chapter has around 100 men. The IFC is not opposed to expansion, the administration is not hostile (the University President and VP for Student Affairs are both FSU Greek alumni).

You can get in easily, and a reasonably enthusiastic, well-directed effort will produce a solid, stable 100+ man chapter at a major university. We have all the major nationals except for Beta. You would be welcome and appreciated.


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