America's war with Islamic fanaticism didn't start on 9/11
 

America has been under attack from Muslim extremists for nearly 30 years. Not just al-Qaida and certainly not just Osama bin Laden.

Here's the highlights reel for anyone still voting for the Democrats:

— November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter's masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.

— 1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.

— April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.

— October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.

— December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.

— September 1984: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) exploded a truck bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including two U.S. servicemen.

— December 1984: Muslim extremists (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was over.

— June 14, 1985: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight 847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another 700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac.

— October 1985: Muslim extremists (Palestine Liberation Front backed by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing his body overboard.

— December 1985: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed airports in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.

— April 1986: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed a discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.

— December 1988: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11 on the ground.

(Then came an amazing, historic pause in Muslim extremists' relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals because they don't understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether it's the Soviet Union or Iraq.)

— February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

— Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

— November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

— June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

— August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

— October 2000: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

— Sept. 11, 2001: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) hijack commercial aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.

America's war with Islamic fanaticism didn't start on 9/11, but it's going to end with 9/11 — as long as Americans aren't foolish enough ever to put a Democrat in the White House.

Give me a break. You're blaming all of those things on Jimmy Carter? Unbelievable.

Where did this Chika come from?:(

Where did he/she say it was all Carter's fault?

For the record I blame Carter for global state-sponsored terrorism since Iran went from a country that was moderate and beautiful to one where little girls get married and the insane leader funds the region's terrorist groups. And while Jimmy is smiling thinking about all the Christian houses he builds with Habitat he should remember what he did. I also blame every political party for allowing the Saudis to keep funding the nutjobs as well.

-Rudey

You may wish to sing the USMC Hymm to learn just how far back this goes......."To the shores of.." ring a bell?

While I am sure that one could and can find other sources, I just picked up "The Pirate Coast: Thomas Jefferson, the First Marines, and the Secret Mission of 1805" by Richard Zacks.

About the Barbary coast pirate/states....

Why do people continuously hide behind screen names to say how they really feel?

Opi, since you apparently support terrorists, would you care to share your real name with us? I do understand that you are a muslim, and probably do experience a great deal of prejudice towards your religion. Believe me, as a Catholic in the middle of the Bible belt, I can sympathize :)

Honestly though, do you not condemn countries such as Iran, Libya, and Syria for their support of Islamic fanaticicism? I think everyone knows there's a difference between traditional, moderate muslims and fundamental extremists, but there's little question which of the two groups calls the shots in these various terror states.

I meant fake screen names, KTSnake. Not real names. And your statement about me supporting terrorists because I dont condemn is pretty lame and baseless really.

Why don't you condemn them?

-- also, if you search through my posts, I don't really make a secret of my name.

Ann Coulter, what are you doing about the war fundamentalist Christians are waging in America today?

Yeah really. I think all Christians should have their library records turned over and have their phones tapped, in the interests of national security. You never know when they'll blow up a Planned Parenthood.

Why should I? What if I dont feel like satisfying your curiousity, hmmm? ;)

and I think you misunderstand me, I meant posters make up "other" screen names like ann.coulter to post stuff when they can just use their regular screen names. I don't care about people's real names. This is a discussion board. :rolleyes:

I get the sarcasm, but really, this is in poor taste.

Indeed. Way to go Lt. O'Bannon.

You mean sock puppets.

Hoping for more victories
 

Hoping for more victories, more enemy casualties, and more Democratic Party losses.

And I love it when even the mug shots of the enemies of America have to be photoshopped. Dan Rather lives at CBS:

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationaln...don_kaplan.htm

Ann, what do you use on your hair? It always looks bouncy and shiny, and never shows signs of overprocessing.

You must be kidding.

Are you trying to sell me some Avon?

Fundamentalist Christians are just as much as threat if not more so than fundamentalist Muslims. The Christian fundies live here, that is why. Actually, they're both dangerous.

You're an idiot

The term "Christian fundamentalist" is misleading. Some estimates say there are 30 million Christian fundamentalists in the U.S.... Simply because they believe things such as homosexuality being a sin, that the Bible is completely accurate, that Jesus was born to a virgin and performed miracles, does not align them with the islamic fundamentalists. By some definitions, I could be a Christian fundamentalist, and many people would term Southern Baptists as such. Many use the term in place of evangelical christian. Islamic fundamentalism is associated with terrorism, while Christian fundamentalism should not be. The huge majority of Christian fundamentalists are not supportive of any acts of terror, be it towards abortion clinics, gay bars, etc...Now, if you're saying that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous because you're trying to play thought police, thats a different matter, but to put them on par with people who openly desire to kill people associated with western or jewish culture is simply ridiculous.

"Fundamentalism" is not actually a term muslims use to self-identify or Islamic scholars use in conjunction with ANY muslims since the concept of "fundamentalism" is, in fact, a Christian one, started by organizations that wanted to return to the fundamentals of the Christian faith and emphasize the infallibility of the Bible after the Christian church had undergone many, many schisms creating the many sects and denominations we have today.

Applying it to Islam is misleading because there are only two major muslim sects, neither of which have made the strong divergence from their roots that some Christian sects have.

Acts of extremism are NOT fundamentalism and it is misleading to label them as such.

Please remind me what was the response of Carter's administration when the Iranians invaded our embassy, destroyed our property, and took our Embassy staff hostage?

It was a seven letter word.

Nothing

Please remind me what was the response of Bush's administration when they invaded Iraq under the false pretense of "Al-Queda Connection", destroyed their property, and caused insurgency and near-civil war?

It was a seven letter word.

Nothing


In other words, STFU!

Why would the Bush administration need to respond to their own actions?

(Not that I approve of the Bush administration's foreign policy, but your post makes no sense. Unless by "they" you also mean the Iranians, in which case you've got some facts really wrong.)

Apology for misleading the public, for one.

While the administration certainly obfuscated the reasons behind invasion, do you really think an apology is actually an equivalent "nothing" to the post you reponded to?

Not that I particularly agree with ann.coulter2's post, but I think you're going apples and oranges when it's not at all necessary to make your point. Why don't we simply discuss the Bush administration's actions on their own merits?

Thank you for telling me what's necessary to make my point.

What IS your point, exactly? Because if it was a logical response or rebuttal to Ann Coulter over there, you certainly didn't make it.

OK, let me rephrase to try to make this amiable (since, y'know, I'm not trying to be a dick about this):

-Your point is both strong and established on its own.
-The post you quoted made a comparatively weak point.
-The two points are quite disimilar.

Therefore
-In my opinion, your argument can stand on its own, so I'm curious why you would even try to "piggy back" here?

-RC
--I'll apologize for the shot I took in the other thread, if that helps - I didn't think that was all that bad, but I must have been wrong.

RC, why are you asking about my intentions to contribute to a discussion? second, why do you even care enough to overanalyze? I'm flattered by all this attention you're giving me, but it's really not a big deal. Like this discussion. Now, I must head back and gain my western views via Glenn Beck.


PS: it doesn't help. It's the thought that counts.

Do what you have to do - but don't play 'ivory tower' and expect agreement.

I'm interested because, well, that's the definition of 'discussion,' counselor.

-RC
--Glenn Beck? You're so cute when you call the kettle black

1. there is a difference between discussion and analysis of one's motive behind their posting.

2. The Glenn Beck thing is a joke. Stop taking things so seriously.

H & A
 

Hitler May 21, 1935:

If present-day Germany stands for peace . . . Every war means a drain of the best elements. . . . What could I wish but peace and quiet? If anyone says this is only the wish of leadership, I can reply, "the people themselves have never wished for war."

Ahmadinejad Sept. 19, 2006:

We have the same desire, to be together for the cause of world peace ... I am a normal person. A very average, regular person in Iran. The nation decided that I become the head of the state. The nation and the government are one and single. And together, we share everything. But we too like to rise at a point where we can pursue the cause of world peace.

I get that Iran is on the hit list for the war on "terror". But I don't see how those words (looked at from an objective point of view) is of significance. I believe that Bush said some of the same things before. Should we also compare Bush to Hitler?

Bush compares very well to Hitler:

Hitler: invades neighbors, seeking natural resources; believes in Master Race, wants to stomp out Jews and Gypsies and opponents; lies about seeking peace.

Bush: invades Afgans. and Iraq, not seeking resources or territory, but seeking to enforce UN resolutions; believes in freedom and democracy for all peoples, sponsors elections in Afgans. and Iraq; seeks peace for all.

This, above all, made me laugh. Thank you for making my day. Have a great weekend, ann2.

Trying to figure out what the heck everyone is talking about in this messed up thread?:confused:

When the American economy is down, the old adaged is lets have a war.

To begin with, when Bush Senior had a chance to invade Iraq, He did't. Oh, does anyone remember Desert Storm?

Secondly when Iran took over the American Embasy, we did nothing, because of the Viet Nam Conflict, did not want to look bad.

Actually, how many mistakes have the Intelligence Community made? TONS.

Do not share Intel as may help a fellow Spy group get more money from congress!

So, basically whose fault is it? Hell, it is ours and no one elses is it?:o

I was told one morning on the deck of the Chapter House that North Korea was much more a thought for being stupid than Iraq when it came to Nukes!

This was 6 years ago.

There was no doubt that Saddam was a Despot and a killer of his country people who were not aligned with him and his.

If this now War and Democracy is ever put in place (?) it will be interesting to see how other countrys will go with the Mullah's in charge.

Calling Godwin's Law on "ann.coulter2."

And the thread was only three pages long. :rolleyes: