NFL Hazing
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nfl&id=2556582

On Sportscenter this week they had a clip of some rookie hazing at the Panthers camp. The comment that followed was 'That looks more like something from the Beta house' or something to that effect.

Can anybody say not fair?

You should see the isht that goes down at the Eagles' camp. :(

Is the NFL exempt from any hazing laws? If you take the same situation replace the NFL players with greeks and show a tape to the nation, nobody will have the same reaction.

Okay, they were wrapped to the goal post with toilet paper...I don't think anyone can honestly say that they were in any type of danger nor will any of them develop a complex because of this. They were merely having fun.

End of discussion.

I agree. I don't see this as being much different from what some fraternities do to their brothers who lavalier their girlfriends.

You're missing the point. What happened to the player isn't what this thread about, SDBeta is mad (i think) b/c they said "this looks like something from Beta house"

I agree, totatly not fair.

What was the name of the house in "Animal House"?

Just remembered "Delta House"

Delta Tau Chi

Delta Tau Chi

What I am referencing is the fact that associating any fraternity with the word hazing will make everyone go up in arms, while NFL athletes have their hazing played out to the entire country.

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Before the players raced home in their expensive cars -- some already lined up on the edge of the parking lot for a quick getaway -- the rookies got a taste of traditional NFL hazing. Veteran receivers Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson helped to tape rookie receivers Daniel Smith, Lynzell Jackson, Jovon Bouknight, Taye Biddle and Justin McCullum to one goal post. They were then doused with water and sunscreen.
"They kind of snuck up on us. I thought we were clear and free to break camp -- nope," McCullum said.
While that was happening, defensive linemen Devan Long and Stanley McClover were being taped to another goal post, and James Anderson was strapped to a chair.
Veteran Chris Draft showed Anderson no mercy, giving him a Gatorade bath.
"I'm not exactly a hazing guy. I'm a supervisor hazer," Draft said. "Our guy James Anderson asked for more tape, like a good rookie should. We used regular tape, two-inch, stretch tape and some good pre-wrap. He also asked for some Gatorade, because he felt a little dehydrated. Now he smells like strawberries."

Just for matter of information, the following links are hazing laws in PA and NC. Note they writen for schools.
http://www.stophazing.org/laws/pa_law.htm

http://www.stophazing.org/laws/sc_law.htm

http://www.stophazing.org/laws/nc_law.htm

This is ridiculous, who cares. These are adults. LIKE THE ONES IN MY FRATERNITY. Holy crap, when is it politically correct to stop coddling people and let them make their own decisions?

I just about, kind of agree with what you wrote BUT for: "LIKE THE ONES IN MY FRATERNITY {Chapter House}"

College students are adults.

I think the point that sdbeta is trying to make is that if this was a fraternity doing this and taping it, the news and talk heads would be screaming "Hazing!" and the chapter's charter would be on the line. The public holds fraternities to a different standard that other groups, fairly or not. I didn't see his post as "these poor, football players"; but, as "How unfair that we get knocked down if we do this while other groups get laughed about." Si or no, sdbeta?

Who says, the College Students/Kids?

First time away from Mommy and Daddy and go nuts?

If one is hazed, then He feels that it is right to continue the same rite!:mad:

WOW, makes no sense to me in todays PC world with RM in all factions of Greek Life.

I have no idea what you said. However, they're 18. Its time to grow up. Its harder to grow up when other people are telling you what to do. Sink or swim.

Hell, I understand cannot YOU?:D

Sink or swim?

Kids while 18-19 are still Kids away from home for the first time on their own.

"Damn", I have to make up My own mind! "Damn", I really have never done this before without their help, what do I do now?:(

Sink or swim, many sink!:o

Then where did the terms "Sorority Girls" and "Frat Boys" come from? Non-Greeks wouldn't have been smart enough to come up with them. They'd have been too busy scrubbing johns and mopping floors or - in my case - stocking shelves and making burgers.
- Prunetacos

While I agree it may not be fair to describe this as a "Beta" house activity solely, I wonder--why wouldn't someone associate hazing with fraternities? Greeks, despite the laws, are still hazing, and we have people like shiner and others on this board that promote hazing as a part of Greek life. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO ASSOCIATE THOSE ACTIONS because there are not enough people standing up to state loudly that we don't want that as part of our system.

If you don't like the reference of hazing and fraternities--do something about it.

Editted because of a pesky double negative and bad spelling

18 and 19 year olds are immature because society babies them. Rewind several decades and look how they were acting. There were a lot of young faces in the greatest generation...I wonder why? Because we allowed them to be responsible for themselves.

"Nowhere in your incoherent ramblings....did you come close to anything that could be considered rational thought......" - Billy Madison

Good Point, Shinerbock! Go back even farther in history, and we can find that people were taking on adult responsibilities at 16 and 17, or even sooner. Hard times such as the Great Depression can make people grow up fast. On the other hand, the Roaring Twenties won't be remembered so much as an era of greatness as it will an era of fatuousness.
- Prunetacos

Regardless of whether or not fraternities should have the right to haze, there are most certainly consequences to their actions. Never did I try to minimize the mindset, or responsibilities college-aged students should faze. LaneSig understands what I mean. Their hazing is taped, acknowledged, and accepted by society while greek hazing is frowned down upon by the same people.

Very young, very impressionable, and at times very blinded and short sighted.
Willing to take long walks off of very short docks....

And in the case of this thread, not well paid, professional athlites with trainers on field, and player contracts and league contracts.

In other words, those words, that phrase had nothing to do with this thread at all.

Plenty of college students are well paid.

And people were old at 30 and dead at 40.....

Nice cut and paste-however you missed the full phase.

And one could start threads on the graduation rates of schools in general and then the student/athlets %.

So sad that many do not have degress and that their professional careers can only last a few years. We see the "stars" with these "long" 10, 15, even 20 year careers but you do not see the ones that are only there for a year or two... but we just fell well out of this thread.....should be over in a sports thread.....

Getting back to thread, while I was checking out hazing laws, all seemed to be written for schools, not business.

If that is the case, one would have to see what league rules, union rules and players contract say.

And that could be one major difference. Not sure if OSHA has any say in this matter. As for labor laws, well see above.

Not that hazing is a good thing.

No, I read the full phrase...You said unlike college students....Professional athletes are well paid...................................."

I understood what you were sayinng.

Before antibiotics, before cardiovascular medicine, before insulin, before cancer drugs, before kidney dialysis, before modern emergency surgery techniques, people DID die at a far younger age. However, the age when one acts like a mature, reasoning adult, in control over his or her behavior, and the age when one dies, are probably not strongly related to each other. The fact that we - in general - live longer, doesn't privilege us to behave like children longer.
- Prunetacos

Most are. Legally.

Then there's intellectually. Some are.

I agree with you on your point. I was getting at how in the 1700 and 1800's, due to the enviroment of the times that people had to take on adult responsiblities.

Enviroment has changed a bit since then.....not too many roving bands of Native-Americans, French, English around looking to kill you or rough farm work, or illness et al.....

If you had, would not have cut to fit your beliefs.
Which as we know full well are not mine.

Wish I had my current Newsweek with me.
Have to wonder how many of those students are on work/study programs or aid programs.
And how many call Mom and Dad.....that is not in Newsday as far as I know...
Mac-is Newsweek ok with you as a source?

Thank You, someone understands!

Just because the Law supposedly says they are Adults, are they really in thinking when they get away from the Home Strings? No!

It is a new experience for all of them and without Mom and Dad!

WOW, they go crazy dont some of them?

Ok? I read your statement. I am not pitting any personaly beliefs against yours. I simply said that many college students are well paid. Are you going to sit here and disagree with me?

Thanks, I don't need a newsweek to tell me that there are college students on financial aid and many that get money from their parents.

Please! Ratchet it down, Guys!
 

Respectfully, to Jon1856 and macallan25:
You two are BROTHERS in the same fraternity, for goodness sake! The tenor of your exchanges is getting quite testy, fellows. There can be robust discussions here, I'm sure, without necessitating an adrenaline rush. Perhaps the moderator (Mr. Earp) can gently remind everyone of the importance of reason and civility as a balance to our passion on the subject of hazing and RM. I really don't want to read about two SAEs that fought a duel!
- Prunetacos

No, I agree.......I just don't understand what he is trying to do/prove when he directs a post towards me.

Prune:

Don't worry about it. I trust that two brothers can have a spirited debate and not take anything personally. Mr. Earp, while being a moderator is not the moderator of this forum -- that'd be me.

As I said, a debate between brothers need not be moderated. I trust that neither one of them is taking anything personally. If you have any concerns, feel free to PM me, or if you do not feel comfortable PMing me, feel free to contact the administrator.