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CrimsonTide4 08-23-2006 06:52 PM

The 13th Season of Survivor ~ Teams Divided by Race
 
Interesting

A Racy Twist for "Survivor"

Excerpt:
Some may call it exploiting racial tensions. CBS calls it darn good television.

Jeff Probst popped in on The Early Show Wednesday morning, confirming the reports that the 20 castaways for Survivor: Cook Islands will be grouped by race, with competitors divided into four tribes consisting of whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics.


Apparently, "separate but equal" holds only the warmest of connotations for Mark Burnett.


Like a good host, Probst had nothing but praise for the producers' controversial brainchild, calling the exercise in segregation a valuable social experiment, rather than a stunt to dig up some controversy--and raise ratings.



Survivor: Cook Islands kicks off Sept. 14. Here's a list of the competitors:
  • Rebecca Borman, 24, makeup artist, Laurelton, New York;
  • Anh-Tuan "Cao Boi" Bui, 42, nail salon manager, Christiansburg, Virginia;
  • Sekou Bunch, 45, jazz musician, Los Angeles;
  • J.P. Calderon, 30, pro volleyball player, Marina Del Rey, California;
  • Cristina Coria, 35, police officer, Los Angeles;
  • Stephannie Favor, 35, nursing student, Columbia, South Carolina;
  • Billy Garcia, 36, heavy metal guitarist, New York City;
  • Adam Gentry, 28, copier sales, San Diego;
  • Nathan Gonzalez, 26, retail sales, Los Angeles;
  • Jenny Guzon-Bae, 36, real estate agent, Lake Forest, Illinois;
  • Yul Kwon, 31, management consultant, San Mateo, California;
  • Becky Lee, 28, attorney, Washington, D.C.;
  • Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth, 25, waiter, Venice, California;
  • Cecilia Mansilla, 29, technology risk consultant, Oakland;
  • Sundra Oakley, 31, actress, Los Angeles;
  • Jonathan Penner, 44, writer/producer, Los Angeles;
  • Parvati Shallow, 23, boxer/waitress, Los Angeles;
  • Jessica Smith, 27, performance artist/rollergirl, Chico, California;
  • Brad Virata, 29, fashion director, Los Angeles;
  • Candice Woodcock, 23, premed student, Fayetteville, North Carolina.

lilbay77 08-23-2006 07:00 PM

Hmmm, I stopped watching this show after the second season, but this seems like it will be interesting to say the least.

CrimsonTide4 08-23-2006 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lilbay77
Hmmm, I stopped watching this show after the second season, but this seems like it will be interesting to say the least.

I've never watched a season from start to finish but this one might be worth checking out. I'll have to think on it a spell. The dynamics will prove to be interesting since no one ethnic group is monolithic in thoughts and actions.

Senusret I 08-23-2006 07:06 PM

Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!

DSTRen13 08-23-2006 07:07 PM

It seems like a publicity stunt to me - I mean, was anyone really paying any attention to Survivor any more?

lovelyivy84 08-23-2006 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I
Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!


LMAO!

I don't thik I'll watch, but it will be interesting to see how it turns out...this could get ugly...

CrimsonTide4 08-23-2006 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I
Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!

LMAO!!!

@ Soror Ren, very much a publicity stunt. Race is always hot in our country and reality TV plans to capitalize on that.

jitterbug13 08-23-2006 07:41 PM

I haven't really watch Survivor in a few years. I watched a little bit last season because the sister (who won the car) lives in a nearby town. I think this will be very interesting. And I also think it is a way to get people into watching it again.

But I glad to see someone else represnting Columbia. With this, the girl from ANTM, and USC cheerleaders on The Amazing Race, the metro is taking over the reality world. :p

pinkies up 08-23-2006 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I
Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!

LMAO!!!:D Wait a minute, who will I root for?:confused:

aopirose 08-24-2006 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I
Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!

LMAO

Natty Nupe 08-24-2006 03:40 PM

publicity stunt...look how it has us talking. i wonder who ppl like tiger woods wil root for tho???

Senusret I 08-24-2006 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up
LMAO!!!:D Wait a minute, who will I root for?:confused:

Whoever you want to. We'll understand.















Just make sure you're on the right team when the revolution come!

mulattogyrl 08-24-2006 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up
LMAO!!!:D Wait a minute, who will I root for?:confused:

Yes. I, too, am torn. :( :D

mulattogyrl 08-24-2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I
Just make sure you're on the right team when the revolution come!

LOL *raising fist*

Still BLUTANG 08-24-2006 04:24 PM

LOL, who to root for. are we gonna have to pull out the "one drop" rule?

Dionysus 08-24-2006 05:21 PM

Does your hair get curly, or better, "course" when it's wet? If you answered "yes", you are a negro (enough).

DSTRen13 08-24-2006 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus
Does your hair get curly, or better, "course" when it's wet? If you answered "yes", you are a negro (enough).

Whose hair DOESN'T get curly when it gets wet? I guess maybe except Asians ...?

Drolefille 08-24-2006 05:30 PM

Yeah, um, MY hair gets curly when it's wet. And it's uncontrollable dry.

I think you better revise your standard ;)

/Pale skin, blue eyes... I don't even TAN well...

Dionysus 08-24-2006 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13
Whose hair DOESN'T get curly when it gets wet? I guess maybe except Asians ...?

I mean CURLY curly. Like if your hair is bone straight and goes to Curly Sue or spriral curly hair when it gets wet. I rarely see this happening to whites and hispanics. I've been to too many swimming pools and seen too many white people messing around in the rain.

Dionysus 08-24-2006 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Yeah, um, MY hair gets curly when it's wet. And it's uncontrollable dry.

I think you better revise your standard ;)

/Pale skin, blue eyes... I don't even TAN well...

Do you have naturally curly hair? That's the only time I see this happening to non-blacks.

DSTRen13 08-24-2006 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus
Do you have naturally curly hair? That's the only time I see this happening to non-blacks.

I have naturally wavy and dry hair. It gets curlier the wetter the conditions are - like I can have spent over an hour trying to get the mess straight, then step outside when it's too humid, and POOF! Suddenly I've got curls.

A picture of my hair in its medium state (not its most curly, but not heat-styled to be straight either):

http://git.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...74&id=12800574

f8nacn 08-24-2006 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I
Gooooooooooo Black People!!!!!

LMAO...this has got to the be the most ridiculous situation I've heard (not your comment - but dividing the teams by race status)....haven't watched survivor in a minute and now...I know I won't be watching.

pinkies up 08-24-2006 08:58 PM

Just make sure you're on the right team when the revolution come![/QUOTE]

In that case, "I's Negra"!

Drolefille 08-24-2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus
Do you have naturally curly hair? That's the only time I see this happening to non-blacks.

I don't have any pictures, but my hair starts out as wavy (I've only recently started trying to straighten it completely) and in the summer the frizz is terrible. But if it gets really humid, I get ringlets. I can watch my little fly aways curl in a rainstorm even if the rest of my hair is under a jacket hood.

*shrug* I'm mostly Italian despite the fair skin (got some northern italian too) but I think I have the Sardinian hair. Plus there's an off chance that I have some North African blood in me.. (way way back, we're talking like great-great-great grandmother in Italy) but I don't know if it was more Arab or African or if I'm remembering my Nonna right either...

/sorry for the novel.

fun4real 08-24-2006 11:48 PM

I like Survivor
 
I had not heard about the twist and am looking forward to it. This has more than peaked my interest.

AKA2D '91 08-30-2006 07:23 PM

DETROIT - General Motors Corp. has decided to end its sponsorship of CBS' hit series "Survivor," but the world's largest automaker said Wednesday that the decision had nothing to do with the reality show's controversial decision to divide its contestants in the upcoming season by race and ethnicity. (Yeah, right)

http://www.yahoo.com/s/380145

CrimsonTide4 08-30-2006 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA2D '91
DETROIT - General Motors Corp. has decided to end its sponsorship of CBS' hit series "Survivor," but the world's largest automaker said Wednesday that the decision had nothing to do with the reality show's controversial decision to divide its contestants in the upcoming season by race and ethnicity. (Yeah, right)

http://www.yahoo.com/s/380145

HEH!!! Likely story.

DSTCHAOS 08-30-2006 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus
Does your hair get curly, or better, "course" when it's wet? If you answered "yes", you are a negro (enough).

Your criteria sucks.

DSTCHAOS 08-30-2006 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille
I don't have any pictures, but my hair starts out as wavy (I've only recently started trying to straighten it completely) and in the summer the frizz is terrible. But if it gets really humid, I get ringlets. I can watch my little fly aways curl in a rainstorm even if the rest of my hair is under a jacket hood.

*shrug* I'm mostly Italian despite the fair skin (got some northern italian too) but I think I have the Sardinian hair. Plus there's an off chance that I have some North African blood in me.. (way way back, we're talking like great-great-great grandmother in Italy) but I don't know if it was more Arab or African or if I'm remembering my Nonna right either...

/sorry for the novel.

Shame on you for this detailed response to her ridiculousness.

Drolefille 08-30-2006 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Shame on you for this detailed response to her ridiculousness.

lol, I only wrote as much as I did because everyone at works comments on my hair during the humid midwestern summers. They must think I "straighten" it normally or something because they're so surprised at the curlies... but my hair has a general state of waved/frizz soooo whatever.

/like I said, people have asked me about it lately :p

DSTCHAOS 08-31-2006 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille
lol, I only wrote as much as I did because everyone at works comments on my hair during the humid midwestern summers. They must think I "straighten" it normally or something because they're so surprised at the curlies... but my hair has a general state of waved/frizz soooo whatever.

/like I said, people have asked me about it lately :p

So you basically have your responses to hair questions memorized. :p

Drolefille 08-31-2006 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
So you basically have your responses to hair questions memorized. :p

Yep, mostly ;)

Although, the N. African thing is new. My grandma (going more than slightly senile at this point) only just mentioned this so I don't have much info. Something about how someone's family was looked down on in Italy, blah blah blah. My sister's the budding genealogy girl so I'll have to see if she found any details about that.

Oh, and I'm long winded and rambly.. especially when I'm avoiding writing a paper for class!

DSTCHAOS 08-31-2006 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Although, the N. African thing is new. My grandma (going more than slightly senile at this point) only just mentioned this so I don't have much info. Something about how someone's family was looked down on in Italy, blah blah blah. My sister's the budding genealogy girl so I'll have to see if she found any details about that.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr23.htm

I've been hearing about the Moors ^^^ since I was little. I was initially told that they were a group of "Black" Italians who migrated to (or was it from???) North Africa. :) I guess the truth is in there somewhere.

Drolefille 08-31-2006 12:42 AM

Hmm, can't get to the page...

It's kinda sad now. Many Italians are (and clearly have been for years) prejudiced against the African immigrants. Their view is much like that of Americans toward Mexican immigrants. They feel (true or not I don't know) that the immigrants are taking all the jobs, and keeping wages unnaturally low. There are many illegals as well. And I could have bought Louis "Faux"ton purses for about 6 bucks from almost any of them in Rome.

Note the rambling? Anywho, I don't know much about the history, and my mom's dad's side of the family is rather estranged I believe (he died before I was born so I don't know) Actually my great grandfather on my mom's mom's side came to the US because he was a) the youngest and b) the only one left to be a priest. At which point he ran to the mines in Africa to work, then came to work on the Panama canal. Got sick, got brought into the country and then went to Italy to marry a good Italian woman. :p

And again rambly...

(I don't watch Survivor, but I'll probably follow it obliquely through the news. WHO DO I ROOT FOR THOUGH? :( ;))

DSTCHAOS 08-31-2006 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille
Hmm, can't get to the page...

It's kinda sad now. Many Italians are (and clearly have been for years) prejudiced against the African immigrants. Their view is much like that of Americans toward Mexican immigrants. They feel (true or not I don't know) that the immigrants are taking all the jobs, and keeping wages unnaturally low. There are many illegals as well. And I could have bought Louis "Faux"ton purses for about 6 bucks from almost any of them in Rome.

Note the rambling? Anywho, I don't know much about the history, and my mom's dad's side of the family is rather estranged I believe (he died before I was born so I don't know) Actually my great grandfather on my mom's mom's side came to the US because he was a) the youngest and b) the only one left to be a priest. At which point he ran to the mines in Africa to work, then came to work on the Panama canal. Got sick, got brought into the country and then went to Italy to marry a good Italian woman. :p

And again rambly...

(I don't watch Survivor, but I'll probably follow it obliquely through the news. WHO DO I ROOT FOR THOUGH? :( ;))


I can view the page. Try to read it when you get some time. It's just an example of all the information out there. :)

Drolefille 08-31-2006 12:09 PM

Read the page...I love how cro-magnun man was white... as was an Egyptian Queen. Whether she was more African or Arab I dunno, but Norwegian she ain't.

Ah well.

ladygreek 08-31-2006 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr23.htm

I've been hearing about the Moors ^^^ since I was little. I was initially told that they were a group of "Black" Italians who migrated to (or was it from???) North Africa. :) I guess the truth is in there somewhere.

That's what I was told, too. Interesting article.


Oh, and I will not be watching Survivor. - LOL

Dionysus 08-31-2006 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Your criteria sucks.

I don't really know what you mean by your comments. Can you be a little more specific? Are you trying to say that most black people can pull off the "wash and wear hair"? Unless you have a pretty good perm, it is pretty hard to keep your hair straight when it gets wet.

DSTCHAOS 08-31-2006 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dionysus
I don't really know what you mean by your comments. Can you be a little more specific? Are you trying to say that most black people can pull off the "wash and wear hair"? Unless you have a pretty good perm, it is pretty hard to keep your hair straight when it gets wet.

"Your criteria sucks" is pretty straightforward.

But if you really NEED an explanation, Black people come of many skin complexions, body shapes, hair textures, eye colors, and so forth. Sure, we can speak to the fact that people of more European ancestry have finer textured hair in most instances and people of African ancestry have thicker or more coarse hair. But it would be a fallacy to extend those facts and say that if your hair is finely textured you're automatically of European ancestry and if your hair is thick and coarse you are of African ancestry.

Hope that cleared things up for you.

Dionysus 09-01-2006 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
"Your criteria sucks" is pretty straightforward.

But if you really NEED an explanation, Black people come of many skin complexions, body shapes, hair textures, eye colors, and so forth. Sure, we can speak to the fact that people of more European ancestry have finer textured hair in most instances and people of African ancestry have thicker or more coarse hair. But it would be a fallacy to extend those facts and say that if your hair is finely textured you're automatically of European ancestry and if your hair is thick and coarse you are of African ancestry.

Hope that cleared things up for you.

Sure there are exceptions, just with everything else. Some might even consider my texture to be unusual, which is neither fine nor coarse. (both white and black stylists usually screw up my hair :()I was semi-joking when I made up that "criteria", but obviously there's a lot of truth in it.


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