Any word on the Pike Colony at Howard
 

I was just wondered if anyone had heard anything about the Pike Colony at Howard? Are they doing well? Are they still there? How many men do they have? What are the biggest hurdles that they have to climb?

thanks

Finding white people at Howard.

:rolleyes:

lmao

In all seriousness, they are still there. They did not all graduate. As for how they will fare... time will only tell.

thats funny brobuzz - so does anyone know how many men they have?

It's kind of still the summer break at Howard.....

lol

Not actually... Freshman Move-In was this past week-end.

But classes do not officially start until the 28th.

Because we all know how active Greek life at Howard is in the critical time between Freshmen move-in and the first day of classes. :D

Well... it's not summer break anymore...

And actually the first Greek event WAS Freshman Move-In.

I believe there were some PIKES helping on that day, to keep this thread on topic. (One was pointed out to me by my undergrads... which is why I know they did not all graduate).

To keep the thread even further on topic, the original poster COULD just ask a Pike or wait for a response from a Pike, which neither of us are.

Good point, but the point of interest is still finding out how they are doing.

I hope this origninal poster finds out and let all of us know.

There have a grip of Pikes at HU. Me knowing a couple of the men affliated with the colony, I know it's not going to fail.

I'm a Pike and I asked a friend at Headquarters about the Howard colony. National is very pleased; I was told the colony has about 60 men and they are rushing in the manner of our chapters rather than through intake like the HBGLOs do.
I was against us going to Howard because of the perception of us interfering with someone else's established culture. I wanted a chapter that is identifiably one of ours, and not an IFC fraternity trying to imitate a HBGLO. From what I've heard, it sounds to me like we're on the right track.
There was a remark earlier about white guys. I'm told very few whites attend Howard so I assume that our colony is composed mostly if not entirely of black men.

congrats on that - and I hope that they become a strong healthy chapter

May I ask a serious question that I have wondered since the news of this colony has been widespread? On a campus such as Howard that is so rich in the history of BGLOs, why do you feel it necessary to bring a predom Caucasian organization? What made Pikes appeal to you on a level that NONE of the HBGLOs at a HBCU could?

As a follow up to this question, I will just say that from the outset, I was surprised that Pike in particular was chosen. Knowing how much Howard students love to "do their research" I would have assumed that a fraternity with more "non-sectarian" roots may have been chosen, such as Pi Lambda Phi.

TKE might have been a good choice as well, being that they were the first fraternity with a non-discrimination clause.

I have to disagree with you on that one considering Ronald Regan was a member of TKE. He's not exactly popular with the black folks. For some reason, I thought Delta Upsilon being a non-hazing, non-secetive org might have been a choice.

You can't judge the largest (well, most members) NIC men's Fraternity based on ONE member.

That would be like me telling a girl they shouldn't join SGRho because they don't like Hattie McDaniel.

Good to hear that The Pike Chapter is doing well at Howard as the LXA Chapter is at UNC A & T.

It is up to the young men to make a decission to either go with a BGLO, or look else where. They must have looked else where.

I beleive TKE was the first to Colonize on a HBC and LXA the second.

Does it feel any different than anyone going to a School and not finding any group that they feel comfortable with?

Indeed.

Are you sure on that? I know this is a sidetrack, but my fiance's fraternity (Phi Kappa Sigma) claims to be the first as well. This is from their national website, explaining one of their public mottos:

"Brotherhood is more than skin deep."

In 1858, a proposal was introduced to the Fraternity that would have made Phi Kappa Sigma an all-white organization. The proposal was unanimously voted against, therefore making the Fraternity the first to be anti-discriminatory. Our Brothers choose men to become members based on the worth of their character, not superficialities like race, religion, or wealth.


I guess it may be that TKE was the first to repeal a discrimination clause, but PKS never had one to repeal? :confused:

I think it's more like they were the first one to HAVE the actual written clause.

PKS voting to not be all white is not the same has actually being non-discriminatory.

I can't think of the words to describe it, but it's like TKE took the affirmative to come right out and state that they wouldn't discriminate blacks, and PKS took the negative, as in we're not officially all white by process of elimination.

ETA: My friend, who is a TKE from Drake, said that the "If you can't go Greek, go TKE", was actually started by the fraternity itself as a campain to Blacks who couldn't join other "white GLOs".

Not exactly, I don't think, at least not as described on the History page at Phi Kappa Sigma's website:

According to the first Constitution, Alpha Chapter was authorized to issue charters to new chapters. At the First Phi Kappa Sigma Convention of 1856, the Constitution was amended to require the unanimous approval of all existing chapters in order to establish a new chapter. The development of the abolition movement in the North and the arguments over secession in the South made it impossible for the Fraternity to grant charters to many fine groups located in colleges in the North and particularly in New England. This fact retarded the growth and development of the Fraternity above the Mason-Dixon Line. Theta Chapter at Centenary College, circulated a petition among the southern chapters, asking for an amendment to the Constitution providing that the Fraternity "be an organization for white men, and for white men only." It was further requested that the attitude of the northern brothers on the slavery question be ascertained and all chapters be informed. Mu Chapter, at the old University of Louisiana, presented the problem before the Convention of 1860. After three days of sincere debate, the chapters of the Fraternity unanimously voted that no discriminatory clauses should be included in the Constitution of the Fraternity. This Phi Kappa Sigma policy from 1860 has never been modified in any way.

I take this as a pretty affirmative decision not to discriminate, at least officially. I cannot speak to whether or how much this policy was ignored by chapters over time. But the same could be said with regard to chapters of fraternities that officially removed discrimination clauses -- just because the clauses were removed nationally doesn't mean the practice immediately changed everywhere.

Yes to that last question because you can transfer schools, not your affilation. I would pose the same question to the LXA chapter at NC A&T that I did to the people at the Pike colony.

Sidebar:
No one pays the LXAs at A&T any attention. I have never seen then representing or anything. LOL.

Obvious point and I completely agree however that doesn't change how people feel. I personally know people (black & other races) who would not join simply because of a particular member. You and I both know that's not smart but I don't tell people how to feel, I just give them the facts and let them decide for themselves. That's all you can do. Any person who does this probably shouldn't be in the org anyway.*shrug* Ya know?

Actually, they can. Of course as in many if not all GLOs, they must be voted on to be accepted. Unless there was a major problem with thier last Chapter, they will be able to affiliate. My chapter just had this happen with a LXA from the Un. of Kansas.

I have always felt that if a member of My Fraternity was thought well enough to be initiated in a chapter they were for a very good reason. They are still my Brother!

I think she meant that one can transfer from one school to another, but cannot transfer from one GLO to another.

Sorry if I miss interpreted.

One would think that they could not change affiliations of GLOs.:)

I am just wondering what you mean by not representing?

Does that mean not acting like a current or all of the BGLOs on campus?:confused:


I am sure that each GLO has their way of doing things and do not have to immulate those who are curretly there.

I can't answer the specific question addressed to particular members of non-traditionally black GLOs at those two historically black colleges, but I'll speculate.

If you really believe in the ideals of your group, you want to see them take root everywhere. If you are sincere about not discriminating on the basis of race, then you'd try to have a chapter at every college that you could.

Just as you'd hope that your GLO could recruit minority members at majority white campuses with NPHC group to choose from, you hope that you'd attract some members at historically black colleges.

DTSCHAOS

How can you say that people dont take our chapter seriously at A & T, Obviously someone does if the Council of Presidents voted and we won the Best Greek Letter Organization on Campus, so apparently we must be doing something right. We were always seen in the Holland Bowl playing Football on Tuesday nights, and if not that, then out in front of Dudley playing Ultimate Frisbee, not to mention all of us wearing our letters on Wednesday. So how are we not represented on Our Campus, because we don't step, or is it because we don't attend the probate. I mean you act like your group is so much better than ours, when realistically we are all equal, and yes A & T has presented us with hurdles along the way ( but if you take a look at A & T right now, it is very apparent that they are incapable of even running a school, something they claim to be professionals at, but its kind of hard to take a school seriously when they are being slammed with Audits do to "mis-appropriated" funds, and the police chief having to retire, looks to me, that somewhere along the way A & T needs re-evaluate themselves, and maybe not try and be so hard on a particular group, when their very livelihood is being questioned), but if we weren't achieving what we needed to, then it is very clear that we wouldn't be around at all.



BTW which group do you belong to? The Alphas, whom we have partied with in the past, or are you a Kappa Alpha Psi (Kicked off campus for hazing), and im not asking to be an asshole because I have extremely good friends from the Football team, who are in fact members of both groups mentioned above, I just want to know who you are representing.

Actually I figured out who you are representing, it is obviously Delta Sigma Theta, another group with whom I have several friends (just not at A & T, am pretty good friends with some DST's from Highpoint)

For the record,

I am a LAMBDA CHI at North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University.

Wow if A&T is so bad why do you attend there and why did your frat--excuse me--your fraternity want to charter there?

Thanks for showing up. :)

Glad things are going well.

I've heard that it's a wonderfully esteemed University with accomplished faculty, students and graduates. Too bad he felt the need to down it to pump up his chapter. :( I don't see the connection he was trying to make.

First off I have decided that in my best interest, I should transfer, because I am in fact miserable where I am at right now. I came to A & T for Football and a specific major, Football ended due to surgery, and I , like so many other college students decided to change my major.

Now, I am not speculating on whether or not A & T is a good school. It is FACT that they are under sever financial Audits, it is again FACT that the Police Chief had to resign, also FACT that we had to replace a Chancellor. So I am not downing the school for my benefit (Or my fraternities), and alot of these reasons have helped determine why I am transferring in the first place, along with the un-happiness of my current situation. In fact I am transferring right down the road, because I love the area.

Ok now on to why we would charter here, apparently none of yall have ever looked for somewhere to belong, or a group of people that share your ideals. Well it just so happens, that in 2001, a small group of guys, aided by the help of a Lambda Chi Faculty member, decided that they would like to start a group for the people who in fact did share the same values. Well, thats how we got started, just like any other organization, but then we started to recruit, and lo and behold there were more people who wanted to be a part of that same ideal, either because they didnt want to be a part of the NPHC organizations, or because, like me, they were just looking for some guys who essentially were looking for very similar things. Well in 2005, our nationals decided that it would be a great idea to give us our charter, and thats exactly what happened. We were awarded our charter, and have been a growing presence on campus ever since.

So now I am curious as to why we are such a.....what was it.....'Joke'........on campus, because that is what I really replied to this for anyway.