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Akkus 08-04-2006 09:51 PM

What city to avoid why?
 
what big city would u avoid living in and why?

I'd avoid LA for its crime rates, SF for being too expensive and a lot of cities in the east coast for having a cold weather.

shinerbock 08-04-2006 09:59 PM

The following cities for being disgusting: Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Miami

The following cities for crime: Philly, Houston(lately),Newark, Trenton

I don't think I'd live in LA because I just dislike LA culture. I doubt I'd live in NY either, it just doesnt suit me.

Akkus 08-04-2006 10:14 PM

Also the weather of the city i'm living is crucially important to me.

DeltAlum 08-04-2006 10:20 PM

Detroit gets a bad rap. We enjoyed living there. I love New York. LA is OK. San Fran is wonderful.

The three places that pop into my mind as ones where I wouldn't want to live are Miami, Houston and Dallas.

Atlanta is on the borderline.

Buffalo is Gray.

I'm not sure I'd want to move back to Baltimore.

shinerbock 08-04-2006 10:26 PM

Yeah, I could live in Dallas, NYC is way too, uh, PC/liberal/diversityloving for me. Detroit though, man, my visits there have been horrible. No offense if its your home or something, but it looks like an abandoned junkyard.

sdbeta1 08-04-2006 10:33 PM

Los Angeles, Jacksonville, Albuquerque, Oakland, and Des Moines

_Opi_ 08-04-2006 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinerbock
diversityloving for me.

:confused: WTF

Anyway, the only thing I would agree with you on is Detroit. Some parts are liveable but that's the surburbs, and I don't do suburbs.

I would avoid L.A., Columbus, Minnesota and pretty much any city in the south. I favor east coast cities more, especially NYC. As for Canadian cities, my heart will always be with Toronto but Montreal is also an amazing city.

shinerbock 08-04-2006 10:35 PM

yes, diversity loving. I don't like places that just thrive on diversity. It doesnt do anything for me. I'm more of an all-American type hometown kinda city. I like eclectic things fine, but NYC is like the worlds melting pot, and I'm not into it.

Somebody mentioned Jacksonville, thats kinda weird. I mean, I don't think I'd wanna live in Florida, but Jacksonville is nice for FL.

Dionysus 08-04-2006 10:37 PM

I hated Indianoplis (sp?) worth a passion.

KSUViolet06 08-04-2006 10:41 PM

Any large city in NJ. Atlantic City, Newark, Camden, I hate them all. So gross.


shinerbock 08-04-2006 10:42 PM

Cities I really like (not necc could live in)- San Diego, Naples FL, San Francisco, Seattle, Charlotte, Greenville, Charleston, Santa Fe, D.C., Richmond...

DSTRen13 08-04-2006 10:43 PM

I don't think I could live in cities in the middle of America, or anywhere too far north (too cold!) ... I could live places on the West Coast, in states along the southern border, and in the South.

I really hated Detroit the times I've passed through it, but maybe I just missed the good parts (?). Odessa, TX, is one of the nastiest smelling and ugliest looking places I've ever been, although everywhere else I've been in Texas has been nice. I've been pretty freaked out by visits to some Southern cities where segregation is still pretty firmly in place - people glared at me in Mobile because I apparently crossed the color line by asking the wrong person for restaurant recommendations :(

My favorite city is DC. Atlanta is probably second favorite. Still lots more to visit, tho' :D

shinerbock 08-04-2006 10:46 PM

Its weird, I'm from Atlanta, and I love parts of it, but it is a bit too "dirty south", if you will, for me. D.C. I absolutely love, it has several distinct parts.

Of course if I lived in D.C., I'd probably live in Gtown or Foggy Bottom or down somewhere like Alexandria (great town).

_Opi_ 08-04-2006 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I really hated Detroit the times I've passed through it, but maybe I just missed the good parts (?).

Downtown area, but it's very small. All the 'burbians come down for football/baseball games, clubs, restaurants, concerts, etc. They are rebuilding the downtown area so it will definately get better within the next few years.

Thrillhouse 08-04-2006 10:54 PM

Detroit city is gross. Downtown looks like what shinerbock said earlier "an abandoned junkyard" Abandoned buildings, boarded up houses, and vacant/burned out lots galore. The suburbs are as good as any other though. Its sad but the city isn't going about rebuilding Detroit properly. Downtown sports can't save a city.

Other cities I wouldn't wan't to live in are Buffalo, Memphis, and Milwaukee.

shinerbock 08-04-2006 11:01 PM

Being from Atlanta, I could only live in Buckhead or Atlantic Station. Maybe Virginia Highlands. Its not the safest town in the world (although I'm rarely bothered by it, i guess from living there for 22 years...)

KSUViolet06 08-04-2006 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrillhouse
Downtown sports can't save a city.


Someone should let the mayor of Cleveland know this fact. Yes, the Cavs have LeBron. The city is still a burned down, abandoned, ugly, piece of crap.

honeychile 08-04-2006 11:35 PM

Shinerbock, I'm curious about your hatred for Pittsburgh. Have you ever been there, especially in the last 20 years? The city (the section with the Point) isn't exactly a garden, but we've all agreed that very few cities proper are great.

Pittsburgh has their Sports Arenas on the North Shore & in the next county. The housing is one of the least expensive in the country - a house that sold in Chicago for over a half a million dollars would sell in Pittsburgh for less than $75,000. I currently live in a suburb that borders on the next county, and I would be hard put to find such a great neighborhood (everyone MUST have at least a half an acre) for so little money!

The cost of living is roughly half of NYC, DC, Chicago, Atlanta, and almost anything in California.

I've lived in NYC, outside of DC (McLean - would move back there or to Alexandria, if the $$ was right) and Pittsburgh, and trust me, Pittsburgh's hard to beat for the money & the convenience! Unless, of course, your eyes are tightly shut, and you're choosing to believe the ancient stories of mills that haven't been around in lifetimes!

http://www.ri.cmu.edu/images/misc/pittsburgh.jpg

PhoenixAzul 08-04-2006 11:44 PM

I truly enjoy Pittsburgh, mainly because I dig the melting pot we've had going for the last couple hundred years, and the new waves of immigration are only helping this. I like that it is blue collar, and people work hard. I like that it has a TON of character. We've got these awesome little enclaves of artists and pensioners living side by side, and it works. We've got historical Catholic churches, orthodox churches from around the world, synagogues and a thriving jewish community, and a growing muslim community, storefront churches and reading rooms...and yet, it all works together pretty well. We've got definite seasons, all 4 of them (although real Pittsburghers know there's only 2...winter, and construction). There is only one Pittsburgh, and you'd not confuse it with any other city.

I can honestly say I wouldn't want to live in NYC...too fast for me.

No to London as well. Cost of living is too high, housing is too hard to find, jobs are at a premium.

Dublin wouldn't be so bad, but it is becoming a little London (if any Irish are around to hear me say that, I'm in trouble). The Celtic Tiger was great for Ireland and for Dublin, but the cosmopolitianizing of Dublin has taken some of the character from the city. On the streets you find Polish language newspapers and Russian newspapers, tourists everywhere...its very hard to find a native Dubliner. Very busy. But at the same time...this is the new Ireland. Not such a backwards island after all.

shinerbock 08-04-2006 11:49 PM

Honey, yeah, I've got some family friends who have moved up there so we've been to visit. I just really don't like it. No offense, but Pittsburgh people really bother me too. They don't shut up about Pittsburgh, and I don't see much to talk about. I mean, I live in Atlanta, but I don't really sing its praises unless challenged. Also, I absolutely abhore the steelers and pirates. I know its not the same industrial town, but it still looks like it to a degree. Also, low cost of living doesnt really mean much to me, so I mean yeah its good for a lot of people, but I don't worry about it. Don't worry, it isn't just Pittsburgh, its Philly, Milwaukee, Cinci...Heres what I love in a city...1) Cleanliness and "newness"-It doesnt have to actually be new, just have new buildings or remod homes, things like that. 2) I like greenspace, I hate the concrete/industrialized look 3) I love history, so I like cities with strong history 4)Class, low crime, good education, and young citizens...

Thats why I like cities like Charleston, Greenville, Charlotte, San Diego, nice parts of DC, Birmingham, etc. I love downtown districts where you can really walk around in and that have a lot to do, but classy things, not clubs and shops with bars on the window. Alot of those places have great downtowns, Greenville, San Diego, Charleston, Georgetown,etc. I really like bright cities, with lots of young professionals and lots of things to do for families and couples.

tunatartare 08-04-2006 11:57 PM

I'd visit almost anywhere, but there are places where I would never live:
*anywhere in the Sewage State (New Jersey)
*anywhere that was North of NYC (too cold!)
*California
*any suburban place (I need a good system of public transportation!)
*most Southern cities (this may be a sign that I've been living in NYC for way too long, but the whole "southern hospitality" and being friendly to EVERYONE thing kind just freaks me out)

PhoenixAzul 08-04-2006 11:59 PM

We don't shut up about Pittsburgh because we DO have quite a bit to be proud of. Few cities are able to make the economic and environmental transition that Pgh has made. It ain't for everyone, but those who live here love it.

Some favorite haunts/cultural things: Point State Park, Riverfront Park (North side and South side), Frick Park, Schenley Park, Flagstaff Hill, Observatory Hill, Riverview Park....and the Warhol, the Carnegie Science Museum/Natural History Museum/Art museum, Matress Factory Museum, Manchester Craftsman's Guild, Silvereye Centre for Photography, Quiet Storm Cafe, Carnegie Mellon School of Art, CAPA High School, Benedum performing arts centre, Byham performing arts centre, O'Reilly Theatre, Pittsburgh Public Theatre, Three Rivers Arts Fest, Heinz History Centre, Pgh Ballet Theatre, Civic Light Opera, Pittsburgh Opera, Point Park University playhouse, Carnegie Library and subsequent branches...etc etc etc.

We've got excellent universities in the city and surrounding areas, top-notch health care at our doorstep, and the best pyrogi this side of Poland :). And to be honest, you can buy a really awesome historic Victorian for not a lot of cash here. There are those boring planned home developments in the 'burbs, but some of the "best" housing in terms of investment value is right in the city limits.

shinerbock 08-05-2006 12:02 AM

Yeah, and I mean thats fine. Like when NYC people brag, I kinda get it. When Charleston people brag, I obviously get it. I just don't see Pittsburgh as anything special. I mean I'm sure it is to some, but there just isnt much there I like. Northern industrial cities don't do it for me. The ballpark is nice, though.

Oh, I wanted to add Phoenix to my list of places I like.

DSTRen13 08-05-2006 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinerbock
Being from Atlanta, I could only live in Buckhead or Atlantic Station. Maybe Virginia Highlands. Its not the safest town in the world (although I'm rarely bothered by it, i guess from living there for 22 years...)

Love Atlantic Station & Virginia Highlands :D (Buckhead is just too ... over the top for me.) Downtown Decatur also rocks, but it's probably a bit "hippie" for you, lol.

shinerbock 08-05-2006 12:17 AM

No, Decatur is just a little too CYNTHIA MCKINNEY for me.

honeychile 08-05-2006 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinerbock
Honey, yeah, I've got some family friends who have moved up there so we've been to visit. I just really don't like it. No offense, but Pittsburgh people really bother me too. They don't shut up about Pittsburgh, and I don't see much to talk about. I mean, I live in Atlanta, but I don't really sing its praises unless challenged. Also, I absolutely abhore the steelers and pirates. I know its not the same industrial town, but it still looks like it to a degree. Also, low cost of living doesnt really mean much to me, so I mean yeah its good for a lot of people, but I don't worry about it. Don't worry, it isn't just Pittsburgh, its Philly, Milwaukee, Cinci...Heres what I love in a city...1) Cleanliness and "newness"-It doesnt have to actually be new, just have new buildings or remod homes, things like that. 2) I like greenspace, I hate the concrete/industrialized look 3) I love history, so I like cities with strong history 4)Class, low crime, good education, and young citizens...

Thats why I like cities like Charleston, Greenville, Charlotte, San Diego, nice parts of DC, Birmingham, etc. I love downtown districts where you can really walk around in and that have a lot to do, but classy things, not clubs and shops with bars on the window. Alot of those places have great downtowns, Greenville, San Diego, Charleston, Georgetown,etc. I really like bright cities, with lots of young professionals and lots of things to do for families and couples.

Good explanation, and I can see a lot of it - except the Steelers. I happen to like quite a bit of the same things in a city that you do. One thing that does endear me to Pittsburgh is that I'm a geriatric counseling, and detesting Miami the way I do, Pittsburgh is the next best thing. Of course, the way Congress is going, DC may become a viable option again soon!

It's been quite a while since I've been to Charlotte or Columbia - how would you rate them?


ETA: The reason people who live in Pittsburgh brag is because of the idiots that still think of it as a steel town. It really brings those of us who have never seen a mill down!

shinerbock 08-05-2006 12:53 AM

Columbia is a little too urban for me. It has nice parts, but it isn't that clean community I like. Charlotte, like every city, has its rough edges, but I like it a lot. It is a great banking center, and the older Charlotte society is something I really like. Several of my fraternity brothers are included in that category.

f8nacn 08-05-2006 01:01 AM

I would avoid San Francisco (the lifestyle there does not connect with me); New Orleans, Miami Florida...

Citiies that I wouldn't mind relocating to: NYC, DC (lived there and could go back); Charlotte, Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville, or Chicago.

shinerbock 08-05-2006 01:03 AM

Yeah Nashville is a good one. Not sure I'd wanna live there, but its a fun city.

Taualumna 08-05-2006 01:09 AM

There are parts of suburban Toronto that I avoid because people there ASSUME that I can read the language. I feel awkward walking around parts of Markham, Ontario because I look like everyone since I'm Chinese, but I can't read the language well (my reading level is that of a kid who has just passed kindergarten) and take little to no interest in kareoke bars.

jadis96 08-05-2006 01:15 AM

Never would want to live in NYC, as much as I love to visit, it's just too "dirty" for me.

No cities in Floridia for me, I like different seasons too much. My aunt lives in Miami and she loves it, but to me it's hell. I am a midwestern girl at heart.

I LOVE Indianapolis so I was shocked when someone said they didn't like it. It has great culture and wonderful places to visit, not to mention some of the great local bands playing around there. http://www.splendidezine.com/departm...dlt110104.html The top 16 Reasons Indianapolis (and Indiana) is Alright :)

I live about 5 minutes from Louisville Ky and love it. It's still a decently small city, but has some neat areas of town and lots of fun places to visit. The riverfront has a great park, JB Speed art museaum, lots of shopping, we have Ceaser's Indiana just 15 minutes away, plus for 2$ you can hit Churchill Downs for the day :)

FAB*SpiceySpice 08-05-2006 01:45 AM

Ok I don't want to offend anyone, so I apologize in advance if I offend your favorite city in the world. Really.

Lincoln, NE: there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING there besides the university, it is so depressing. Well and the Capitol building but that's boring, and the rest of the city sucks.

Columbia, MO: even though it was my home for the last 5 years I am glad to be gone, the city is empty it seems for those not attending the college. But it is beautiful in the spring and fall. :)

Myrtle Beach, Panama City, South Padre, and other "spring break" type cities in the U.S.; yuck. Actually, I will just add the entire state of FL to this group b/c I don't like any of the cities I've ever been to there. It's too hot and every city just seems really cheesy to me, maybe I watched too much Miami Vice but that's all I think of whenever I visit any place in FL.

Anywhere in the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, or Idaho...I sometimes forget the states even exist. I'm sure there are nice places there, I've just never been to them or heard of them.

And also anywhere in the state of NJ, some of my mom's family live in Jersey...I cannot handle that state.

Cities I love: NYC, Boston! (I'd kill to live there), Dallas (though we only lived there for a few years, I loved it despite the hot weather), a few places in WI (if only it wasn't so cold in the winter, summers there are beautiful), Kansas City and STL (maybe b/c I know so many people there from school, but I think both places are lots of fun and would be nice to live in), Chicago, and my secret that I am ashamed to admit...my birthplace and home, Omaha! ;)

Ok sorry that was long.

Scandia 08-05-2006 04:05 AM

Cities I could never live in:

- Detroit
- Memphis- same reasons as Detroit from what I hear
- Baltimore
- Miami- well, pretty much anywhere south of Tampa, but Miami is the quintessential example
- LA
- St. Louis- bad association, never actually been there
- Any places that is either too conservative or too liberal. I'm a moderate.

DSTRen13 08-05-2006 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinerbock
No, Decatur is just a little too CYNTHIA MCKINNEY for me.

LMAO :D She's looking exceptionally frazzled lately ...

/hijack

valkyrie 08-05-2006 01:03 PM

Of the cities I've visited, I HATE ST. LOUIS. HATE IT. HATE. I don't normally hate place, but I hate St. Louis. It was awful, creepy, and depressing, and there was NOTHING good there -- kind of like a larger version of the Quad Cities, with the same sad river-town vibe. Yuck.

I didn't hate Detroit, really -- didn't love it but didn't hate it. I'd rather have an old city with problems than something that's all new and lacks character -- like what I imagine Phoenix and Houston are like.

I've never been to New York or LA, but I HATE THEM. HATE. I hate New York. I hate the Jankees. I hate everybody who is from New York who talks about how great it is (if your city is great, you DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT IT IS ALL THE TIME). I hate ARTISTS in New York. I hate people who move to New York to become ARTISTS because if your LAME ASS really was an ARTIST you could be an ARTIST anywhere and wouldn't have to move to some stupid city where you hang out with a bunch of people who have bad hair and think they're really EDGY. I hate anybody who refers to Sex and the City.

I don't think I'd care for Boston, either. It seems nice and all, but WAY TOO CROWDED and really comes off like a big huge Lincoln Park, which does not appeal to me at all -- all preppy white people ALL THE TIME.

Cities I like: Chicago, Denver, Seattle, DC.
Cities I think I'd like: Portland, Santa Fe, Providence, anything in Vermont maybe

Adelphean 08-05-2006 01:29 PM

Cities I couldn't possibly live in:

1. Buffalo, NY - I had a MISERABLE time there, and the only redeeming feature was that is was close to Canada.

2. NYC - Great to visit, but too expensive, and too dirty

3. Los Angeles - I'd prefer not to be an "innocent bystander"

4. Memphis, Tennessee - Been there, can't stand it, sorry for my firends that go to Med school there.


Places I would love to live:

Chattanooga, Tennessee! I've lived here 22 years, and it is, IMO, the greatest place on earth to live!

Folly Beach, SC A sleepy laid-back beach town

SAn Antonio, TX A great town with very nice people

f8nacn 08-05-2006 01:44 PM

Any city has the potential of being labeled "dirty"....I would disagree is saying that New York City is "dirty" ... of course there are various locations within New York City that aren't as "kept up" as others...but that's anywhere.

ADqtPiMel 08-05-2006 02:02 PM

I hate:

1. Miami (actually, most of Florida)
2. St. Louis
3. Cleveland
4. anyplace that is cold more often than it is warm

I like:

1. DC
2. San Diego
3. San Francisco
4. San Antonio
5. Austin

AUDeltaGam 08-05-2006 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinerbock
Yeah Nashville is a good one. Not sure I'd wanna live there, but its a fun city.

One of my favorite cities :)

BTW, are you from Atlanta, or a suburb?

Tom Earp 08-05-2006 03:56 PM

Topeka, Ks.

Lived there one life time!:mad:

Visited a lot of cities, wouldn't want to live there for many reasons.

1 Dirty.
2. Cost.
3. Traffic.
4. Inconsiderate people.

But enjoyed the citys on a visit:

1. London.
2. Edeinburough.
3.Vienna.
4.Budapest.
5.Munich.
6.San Francisco.
7.San Diego.
8.Denver.
9.St. Louis.
10.Louisville.
11.Nashville.
13.Memphis.
14.Atlanta.
15.Miami.
16.Ny.
17.D C.
18.Baltimore.
19.Pheniox.
20.Albaqurquia.
21.Indy.
22.Lincoln.
23.Springfield-Il. and Mo.

And others but the list is getting to long.

I have found nothing better than Good Old Kansas City inspite of what was said at one time.:)


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