Gone too far...
 

There was a party at UMKC and this was the theme and on the flyer.

AFAKAY


I'm trying to locate the flyer so I can post it. That's some bull.

Gentlemen I believe in Greek Unity. But this is too much.

What the hell... Someone from those chapters needs the taste slapped outta their mouth.

WTH??? I agree with the unity, but c'mon. A little competition is good. Anyway, did they at least split the money?;)

Whoever came up with that idea should be fired! That's too much for me!

don't d9 greeks throw joint parties often? i mean, are you mad at the theme? or the fact that it was with alphas and AKAs?

im confused as to the offense.

Not sure but I think the offense stemmed from the conjunction of the letters.:confused:

Learn something everyday.
Didnt know that Alphas colors are gold and pink
Didnt know that AKA colors are pink and red
Didnt know that Kappa colors are also pink and red

I just don't like how the letters are strung together. That's some mess. I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi, but to put both of them together.:confused: :eek:

I mean if I was gonna be part in a threesome, I would hope two chicks were involved.

How would you feel about ZFBSGR??? (NO OFFENSE)

It's like being the third wheel

I don't like being strung together with the colors. I have always heard of "Pretty Boy and Pretty Girl" parties, or "Diamonds and Pearls" parties, Crimson and Kream parties...etc. All that other mess is foolishness to me.

i can understand your discontent. youre right,there needs to be respect for the whole color thing.

as for the ZFBSGR thing, 1. that dont make any sense, and 2. its not as bad because we both share a color in common. but please dont print my Sigma, my Gamma OR my Rho in pure white.

ETA: oh did you mean zeta phi beta sigma gamma rho? (wow, im slow!)
i've actually seen that once. but it didnt seem to be a problem...

and i hear you on that 3rd wheel thing. SGR nor KAPsi comes 3rd wheel to noone!

That looks stupid. It hurts my eyes. IMO, the only people that should be combining letters are Zetas and Sigmas.

I'm thinking he's mad becuase it was with the Alphas and akas. He pretty much said he condoned the a-k-a-psi thing and the a-phi-a-k-a, which are still joining letters, but not all three. I think that is wack, I'm with the person who said themes, like pretty boy/girl crimson/kream etc. I've heard some creative ones too. But letters BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ok, for the ppl who made that flyer, here are some i've heard, tell them to use this next time:

Pretty cold -- alphas/kappas, [which could also be used in this instance]
pretty nasty -- kappas/ques and
cold blue [as in code blue] - sigmas/alphas

WOW!!!:eek: I would never, ever, ever, combind names, letters, or key phrases with another frat. Yuck!

well it happens...A LOT!! I've seen SEVERAL "pretty nasty" parties with the Kappas and Ques. what is so terrible about that?

I see nothing wrong with it except the color clash when put together. Using black, green and red would've looked better and even carried a dual symbolism.

AFAKAY

hmm, ok, i see that.

yeah, i lean more towards "nay" on the combined theme thing... at the end of the day the party is going to be an "ABC/XYZ" party.

p.s. why did this kappa tell me about how *some* Kappas and Zetas threw a "Pretty Kitty" party?

Hmmm. That's actually a little hot. :o :D

I'm with you Ladygreek. I'm really not seeing the big deal. Who has claims on colors? I think the flyer creator was being more creative than controversial.

If I went Yo-Phi!!! I think all greeks would look at me like.:eek:
It's the same principle.

Wow. I don't care what colors u use it's wrong. Connecting letters in that way is wrong!!!

maybe this
AFA AKA KAY

But I don't want my letters clipped and merged with no one elses. Kappa Alpha Psi has and always will be good enough to stand for itself.

If you went yo-skee or yo-oop u'd get the same look [at least where I'm from]!!:eek: :eek: I don't think it's the same principle at all, maybe some similarities, but not the same! Pretty and nasty are both very common words, and the phrase is a common one used by greeks and non greeks alike. So it's catchy and creative, and "represents" both orgs. Yo [well, at least since after 1990] and Phi are very UNCOMMON words, and specific to each org. While pretty and nasty are words that mostly EVERYONE uses, yo and phi are not, and to say yo-phi would in essesnce be using, in part, something that is exclusively linked to another frat, which is NOT wha'ts up [in terms of calls at least], where as "pretty nasty/cold/hot/luke warm" etc. are not. In addition, if you had a joint "theme" party, everyone wouldn't be running around the party chanting or even SAYING "pretty nasty" anyway, versus people actually SAYING yo-phi! :eek: :eek:

See the difference? :D

As an after thought, the real issue here seems to be you having a problem doing joint programs with other frats, even if it had nothing to do with themes letters or otherwise. I mean, if that's your preference, to each his own, but I think occassional joint programs are cool, you reach a wider audience, you'll bring people from both [or more] orgs, and probably attract people who may not come to either event individually. I know a lot of people who went to the 1911/pretty nasty party, on the premise of it being more crowded because it's the two groups on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of stereotypes coming together. And, obviously, older members of our orgs felt the same way, which is why NPHC was created [promote solidarity].

but you said earlier in this thread: [verbatim]

"I just don't like how the letters are strung together. That's some mess. I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi, but to put both of them together.

I mean if I was gonna be part in a threesome, I would hope two chicks were involved."

based on that statement I don't see anything that would lead me to believe you have a problem with the whole joining letters [including K A Psi], but maybe I misread. :cool: I don't think any of the ppl involved with that flyer feel as though their orgs can't stand on their own, I mean, to me, that's creativity and unity gone awry, but hey!

Now see, where I'm from, I think it is more acceptable to combine a frat-sorority, than two frats. It's done to represent love / respect between the groups.

I don't have a problem w/ joint programs or events. Red White and Blue weekend was off the hook (Kappas, Deltas, Sigmas, and Zetas). But there was no merging of letters or symbols on any flyers.

The merging of symbols is my gripe. Pretty Nasty is cool. Pretty Cold ok. Those are cool. But I just won't be repping dat. It's not my cup of tea.

Ok. If you read it carefully. I said "I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi". That does not mean I agree with them.

I know. They didn't say any organization memntions couldn't stand alone and I don't think they thought that either. But imagine if we all merged names as a sign of unity?

Erikah Badu ft. D'Angelo--> Erikabadangelo?!?
Common ft. Kanye West--> Commanyewest?!?

Some things stand better alone. I just think seeing those three names together would be enough to get the message of unity across.

thanks for the clarification, when earlier in this thread [page one] on 08-05-2006 at 03:40 PM you said:

for some odd reason, I assumed you were talking about well, having a problem with frats combining "names, letters or key phrases" including things like pretty nasty, pretty cold, and yes, red white and blue weekend.

BUT, now that today, 8/8/06 at 1:39 pm you said:

I'm just like oh :eek: I guess I'll have to catch you daily to see where you stand on the issue before trying to respond to ya ;)

I totally understand that doesn't mean that you agree with them, but because you didn't enumerate your discontent, and then went on to say "if I was part of a threesome I'd hope two chicks were involved", there is a deductive assumption that can be made that you are not adamantly against them! The only thing you admitted to disliking is the "colors being strung together."

and the examples you gave are different than the flyer. In the greek flyer no letters were omitted, letters that overlap were just not duplicated. but in the examples you gave they were actually omitted, which loses the meaning and is TERRIBLY uncreative, and not fluid. furthermore, had YOU read MY statement, you would see that SEVERAL times in this thread I blatantly stated that letter mixing is something with which I do not agree and do NOT condone INCLUDING the reply you quoted while making the statement above [If you need to see where, look at the post you quoted, I've made the print larger]! So why the continuous attempt to make a point to me that I've already gotten?

I understand what you meant about "standing alone" I'm just saying combining THEMES does not take away from one organization!

Yes ma'am. In the flyer the last "A" in A-Phi-A and AKA were ommitted and the K in KAPsi was ommitted. Overlapped??? AF-AK-AY ??? That's not hard to see that something is missing.

ok PLEASE RE-READ what I stated. I said no letters were omitted, it was just that the letters that overlap were NOT duplicated, meaning: [demonstration below]

A phi A
A K A
K A Psi

the ones bolded are overlapping letters [meaning, the same], so we're going to write the letters horizontally without duplicating overlapping letters, which I will make larger and in bold. ready?! here we go!

A Phi A K A Psi

so if you tried to find any organization's letters, all of them are there in the correct order. What you did could be more compared to:

Delta Sigma Gamma Rho

as in, trying to combine Delta Sigma Theta, and Sigma Gamma Rho. all of Delta Sigma Theta isn't there, for it to flow, you had to cut out the theta and just put gamma rho. If you look at what you posted, people's whole names aren't there! so, close....but no cigar! And again, ur still trying to convince me of something, when we're on the same side of issue on this one. You just need to make sure your gripes are valid. letters are overlapped but not omitted. there is a HUGE difference.

Very true. I didn't think of it that way.

True. But who does the K belong to? I guess we gotta share it! Lol!

marquise1911 is putting "10 on 2" with this topic. :D

you ain't know?! BUT HEY, at least the Kappas do get ONE letter to themselves, AKA shares EVERY letter. The first A with Alphas and the KA with the Kappas. So be happy! ;)

What!!! Now I'm mad. Dem Alphas got two letter for themselves.:mad:

yup, AND [rubbing it in] there has to be some sort of order right? So if we align you all according to how many letters you get to yourselves it will go like this:

0-AKA
1-K A Psi
2-A Phi A

so now, not only do you have to do a "threesome" with other dudes, you have to be "sandwiched" in between the dudes and chix!! lmao :D

Just thought I'd give you smething else to ponder! What would you do without me? ;)

^^^ HEHEHEHEHHEHEHE:D

That thought made me very uncomfortable!!!:(

stop frontin', u know u like it! ;) :D

I had to throw Clorox in my eye...

o lawd, somebody call 9-1-1 [what's the number again?! tee hee] HE DUN THREW CLOROX IN HIS EYE!

in a nutshell, combining the letters is unacceptable; putting something like "the men of 1911" or "coleman love" or "crimson and cream" is ok i guess.