Pledging Backwards...
 

Is it ok to pledge a sweet heart organization after you have pledged a D9 organization? For example a Zeta friend of mines wants to be a K-sweet. :eek:. Also is it ok to pledge a service frat/sorrority after you pledge D9?

Is that not kind of backwards?:confused:

Only if you consider other orgs to be "steps" towards the D9.

I say let folks join what they want to join. What order they do them in doesn't matter to me.

Yes I do. To me it's like Shaq trying out for the Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Full Life Episcopal Holy Redemer Church of the Living God youth basketball team.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

*shrugs*

Oh well, other folks don't see the D9 as the pinnacle of Greekdom.

I don't see the D9 as the pinnacle of greekdom. But think about it. :confused:

If that is Shaq's home church and he wants to join their team, should he be given a pass?

Good point. And I agree with Jubilance. If that is what someone wants to do then so be it. For me the greater issue would be wanting to join and organization that is not recognized by the frat to which it attaches itself.

I have, and I really don't care. Folks can join whatever orgs make them happy.

To each is own, but why would someone want to latch on to another person's sub-group, when they have a lot of work to do in their own organization. Seems backwards to me. That's like getting your Ph.D and then going to a junior college or vocational school. Why?

But some people actually do that. If you have a PhD in English lit but now you want to be an electrician, you'll have to go back to school to do that.

That would raise concerns for me as well.

Is she currently dating a Kappa?

Joining an organization that has a separate, specific, independant and ITS OWN autonomous purpose falling outside the scope of the those covered by D9 organizations doesn't seem to be a backwards step.

It just not the "norm" most people are accustomed to seeing.

But the "backwards" analogies that have been shared ARE interesting.

Please keep 'em coming.

Very good point.

No she's not. She just wants to be a sweet for some reason.

Exactly! Sweetheart organizations tend to be "support" organizations. But I feel one should spend time supporting ones own organization. And by being greek, especially D9, we can support each other. If she wants to support the Nupes, she can do that as a Zeta.

If I got my Bachelors in Business I could use it to get a job in marketing, management, and finance. I don't have to go back to school every time I switch jobs. That would be dumb!

Of course.

Those happen to be HIGHLY related fields.

But what happens if, for whatever reason, you have an interest in carpentry?

With that you can't "fake it til you make it".

well would you leave a job with a Fortune 500 company to make cabinets?

You'd be surprised at the career changes that people go through. Don't assume that everyone who works for a Fortune 500 company is making $$$$$. Some are only making $$$ or $$. Don't sleep on carpentry. They don't make minimum wage salaries.

If I was in the mail room?

Yes, I'd be charting my own path.

If I was an executive?

Yes, I'd have a large client base.

If cabinets making was something that was a passion for me and I had the skills to get paid from it why would I stay?

Right, as its a skill that can't be easily done using software or strategies.

It's a trade that requires time and attention to detail.

Some of the big time developers here in SC, started out with hammers in their hand.

backwards
 

To me, I dont really see the point in "double pledging" to being with. You have to look at what the goals of the organizations are. If you want to be D9 thats cool, that opens up plenty of doors and each D9 org has some sort of community service events for you to participate in. What then, would be the point of pledging another service org that essentially attempts to do the same thing? If you really were so concerned about doing community service you wouldnt need to keep pledging organizations to do so. You can just go volunteer at the red cross, good will, fema, boys club, or whatever. You think everyone in the world that does community service feels the need to "pledge" just to do so? NO! I dont like the idea of orgs as "stepping stones" either. Then once you get into the org you really want you abandon the first. Thats messed up, I believe in staying active and backing all the promises you made as an interest. If you have an interest in one org I think you should go straight for that one, why waste time on an org you consider a "stepping stone?" That isnt fair to them or you. Finally, the girl would get more respect supporting the Nupes as a Zeta than she would as a sweetheart anyway, plus her Blue Phi family would probably be pretty upset with her.

PS. For those of you who are wondering, yes I did in a certain sense "double pledge" seeing that I'm also a Mason, but that org has a completely different goal and purpose than greek orgs and it is not by any means a "stepping stone."

While this is your understanding and you have the information to support that claim, others, looking from the outside in, may not view it the same.

Just as you are doing with service organizations.

I think that D9 Greeks get stuff twisted up at times thinking that everyone joins, or wants to join another organization because they want more of what D9 Greeks do/have.

Sometimes organizations have a history, within a career or profession, that many D9 Greeks refuse to investigate because they feel that they have hit the pinnacle of Greekdom.

The only real problem that I have with organizations outside of the NPHC, that are NOT historically recognized as having a sense of "Social Greek Life", is when they begin to "adopt" traditions indicative of D9 organizations on a chapter by chapter basis, rather than something that is recognized and acknowledged by a majority of the body or their headquarters.

You know, that is a good point I can acknowledge that. However, it was my understanding that greek orgs outside of the D9 that are about more than "service" typically have something relating to that in their titles. For example there are greek orgs that are considered "professional music frats, professional business frat, legal frat, etc." If it is termed a "service frat" that is all that one can infer in terms of its purpose.

She should do whatever she wants to do.. if she wants to be a sweetheart then she should do it. It's just life... no big deal. The earth won't stop rotating if she becomes a sweet so i don't see the big issue.

I agree.

We don't have any service greeks at my school so I have no idea what their role is in the community as a large.

From looking at the Alpha Phi Omega website I noticed:

VISION
To be recognized as the premier service-based leadership development organization.

MISSION
Prepare campus and community leaders through service.

VALUES
Develop leadership, promote friendship, and provide service.

One of their Founders, Frank Reed Horton, stated:

My purpose was to make Alpha Phi Omega an organization for college men who cooperated with all youth movements, especially Scouting. I also anticipated that our Service program would expand to help people in need everywhere and to do service on the campus of each Chapter.

Further information from their website states that one of their long term goals is to change APO culture form campus based to a lifelong commitment.

This may or may not be reflective of other service organizations but it seems as if Alpha Phi Omega strives to provide service interactions during a very specific period of time in a person's life.

THAT, I can respect.

To get into Kappa parties for free? If I were a Kappa, I would find her highly suspect.

I guess it would be what their preference is, but I would question that person as to why they feel the need to join a little sister org. to FRATENITY when they are already a member of SORORITY.:confused: :rolleyes: It just doesn't make sense to me.

^^ Right on the money!!!

Let's be general.

1) The D9 is not the pinnacle of greekdom, but is OBVIOUSLY more developed and organized than the sweet heart organizations they created and latter abandoned.

2) An individual can perform community service and support an organization without pledging a support organization.

3) When one pledges, one makes an oath, hence it's called "pledging". Multiple allegiances lead to conflicts of interests and character.

Graduate from Harvard and then go to a community college for your master's
Quit your job as a corp. exec. to work part time at Burger King
Eric leaving Hallie for Shaquandaniesha from the Boom Boom Room

It's just backwards.

That boggles me as well. Now if old girl was MARRIED to a Kappa, the she could be a Silhouette (officially recognized Kappa wives auxiliary) but not a Sweet. To me, it is silly to pledge for someones borrowed letter when you have three of your own.

With service orgs, I see no point in joining after someone pledges a D9 org because the basis of both is service, although D9 has a more social component to it. I see professional orgs as something totally different because they focus on a specific profession and its associated culture; in fact, at some point, I would like to join a professional org.

I'm a member of all sorts of stuff, a couple of which I joined AFTER I joined my women's fraternity. While I may identify more and on more aspects with my sisters in Alpha Gamma Delta, my sisters and brothers in Phi Sigma Iota and others are also dear to my heart. They have different interests, they're different people... I was the only Alpha Gam in my major on my campus, joining other groups, especially academic fraternities, helped me identify on a broader basis with the people that were already in my classes.

I'm not one for little sister or sweetheart organizations, but we don't really have any on my campus. Fraternity chapters have sweethearts and a couple have little sisters that they've "named," but it's not really a group. I don't really think I'd personally go for the "bow to the masters" mentality that a lot of little sisters have in regard to their "big brother" fraternity. And sweethearts, at least on my campus, get treated like crap. Not worth my time.

Backwards TO YOU.

If you wouldn't do it that way, then don't. But everyone will not share your opinion or viewpoint, and it may not be backwards to them. As long as they are happy with the choices they made, then you shouldn't be worried about it.

Jubilance1922 I am not pressed about any one person's choice. The topic is "pledging backwards". I could care less who shares "MY" viewpoint. Hint!!! If someone elses opinion swayed mine, it would be "OUR" view point. So KIM if you disagree.

As it stands a lot of ppl feel and believe a lot of things. I FEEL IT'S BACKWARDS.

If you weren't so pressed about it, then you wouldn't have posted it on a website.

Its not about swaying someone's opinion, its about realizing that everyone makes their own choices, and just because someone choices something different you, it doesn't make their choice "wrong" or "backward" or anything else.

But maybe I'm just being too mature about it...

Marquise1911:
Maybe she's going to uncover the real secret of PHI NU PI :D
(I'm sorry Marquise1911 but I couldn't resist. LOL) Seriously though have you asked her why she wants to be a sweetheart? Maybe she can provide a better explanation. I don't think that it's a choice that most members of the D9 would make and usually it is done the other way around. This is the first time I've heard of anyone doing this.

***Tapping on microphone***
GC y'all heard it first. Everytime u post something. IT MEANS UR PRESSED ABOUT IT!!!

LOL! Jubilance1922 do me a favor. Kick rocks!

I asked her several times. She said that at her previous college the K-sweets were always the popular and pretty girls and she wanted to be one since her freshman year. So I don't know if she wants to support Kappa or perceive herself as being pretty and popular?

Do me a favor...stop caring.

Seriously folks, sometimes its good to step out the Greek matrix.

U seem more pressed than me. Lemme guess, you were thinking about doing the same thing and now I put it on front street and you gotta take all that sweetheart pari you bought back to the store and drop off line.

Again, kick dem rocks!

:D

It's not that serious.