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Theta Kappa Nu
Does anyone know much history behind Theta Kappa Nu? I was wondering what the original 11 chapters were, and also, what TKN chapters, or men from those chapters, were instrumental in joining with LCA.
I was wondering because my chapter designation is Theta Kappa, and I think that would hold great significance, and also our chapter went from PIES to TKN around 1925, and TKN was formed in 1924 sometime. I think in a history of my school, it says one of the TKN's there was instrumental in joining with LCA. Thanks! In ZAX Steve Corbin TK 1507 ------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
There is good information in older editions of the Paedagogus regarding this, also, see if you chapter has Cross and Crescents from 1939...there is a lot of information there, too.
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to look through our formal and see what we have. I know we have several old Paedagogus's (Paedagogi?), and other such things.
------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
What about Theta Kappa Nu's ritual, is it completly different. I would love to get my hands on a copy of it. I love ritual stuff anyway. Does anybody have a copy of LXA ritual before it was revised by internationals? I would love to see how they handled it in the old days.
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International should have a copy of the ritual for TKN. I met one time an original TKN. Doc Feist, Of which I am sure is long departed!! If you remember THN and LXA coat of arms were combined to make the present LXA coat of arms. Good luck in you search!!!
------------------ Tom Earp LX Z#1 Pittsburg State U. (Kansas) |
You might want to check the Open Rituals of Lambda Chi Alpha. I thought I read something about Theta Kappa Nu and the Association Ceremony being similar. But it has been a while since I have looked through a book. Also consult the High Phi manual for changes to the LCA ritual.
------------------ David Treat Lambda Chi Alpha University of Nebraska at Omaha |
Thanks for the help.
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yes, our AM ceremony is a condenced version of theta kappa nu's initiation. there original ritual is at natonals head quaters, and i've see a book floating around (i can't think of the name of it right now) that is kind of a helper book to the phi manual. also the four triangles on the AM pin was the old TKN brother badge i believe. i hope this can help.
------------------ Billy DeMarco University of Maryland, BC Phi Delta 279 |
"The Ritual, What and Why" is available from headquarters. It explains a lot of the history behind our ritual and includes a lot of information about Theta Kappa Nu as well. The things that I've found interesting pertain to the evolution of our ritual. Some of that is explained in the RW&W but for the full blown explaination, you'll have to consult the Phi Manual. The Fraternity also publishes a book about our history. It has a lot of information, not just stuff about ritual. It's not the most exciting read in the world, but if you're curious about anything Lambda Chi, I'm sure you'll find it there.
In ZAX, Rithy Chhay Phi-Delta 283 Maryland-Baltimore [This message has been edited by Hitman283 (edited May 04, 2001).] |
Good resource
Another good resource to contact might be the fraternity historian. Dr. Charles Peyser of the University of the South is very knowledgeable. At least, he should be able to help you define your search when you go to HQ.
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Sorry it took me so long to see this thread. I know a couple of things, most of my info came from the fraternitie's history book (I think it is around $30.00) whih you can get from Indy. Also some info came from Chuck Pyser, the fraternity historian.
Th original ritual consisted of the oaths basically used today while the candidates wore college graduation gowns. Took about 15 minutes. Youre right TKN's ritual was basically the form we us for the AM ceremony, with changes made for officer placement and officer titles. I know what TKN stood for (letters, if you want to em me I'll share them w/you, but wont post them here outta respect for TKN). The white rose thing, was completely made up. TKN's rose was a red rose, not white, but when put on our coat of arms, looked like a drop of ketchup, so the decided to change it to white. Pretty uncerimoniously too. TKN's Colors were black, silver and red. Theres some interesting history about how TKN chapters were absorbed into LXA. Aslso the thing with Zeta designations are pretty cool too. IN ZAX, lifesaver |
re: TKN ritual
I have copies of TKN's rituals....their ritual was NOT a fifteen
minute affair...it was much longer. However, most of it is very repetitive and boring, until the end, where a sort of "play" is carried out. The LXA Assoc. Ceremony is a condensation (MAJOR condensation) of the ritual, though none of the "play" (which is the most interesting part) is included. Their ritual was rewritten about 1938, so that it could be done by 3 initiated members (so many chapters didn't have enough active members to even do the original!) For many years, nationals frowned upon circulating the ritual...probably for fear chapters would start using it, perhaps as a pre-initiation event. But now I think they don't care much whether or not members read it. I believe, officially, it is no longer secret...though oddly enough, it is more secret than LXA's just because so few people have read it! Hope this is informative Kappa-Omega 958 |
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I am very interested to see soem TKN ritualistic stuff. Would you be willign to share withthe proper authentications? Id lkike to incorporate it into our zetas ZAX sessions (closed of course, out of respect), I dotn think TKN gets enough mention, and they are a big part of our history. Please advise... |
I too would love the TKN info you have...did anyone else see in this months C&C the explaination of TKN's letters and such?
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Our historian, Chuck Peyser, sent this to me on Sept. 3. I hope it helps answer the original question. ---Jono.
I can help you with the 11 founding chapters of Theta Kappa Nu. Although all 11 were founders, the order of listing is not random, but based on some historical sequence mostly known only to deceased members of TKN. It did not involve the 4 founders . . . as Lybarger was from Gettysburg, which is listed 11th. The one thing of which I am sure is that the first chapter, Samford, is first because it contributed its local initiation ritual almost intact to the new fraternity; indeed, it was only a small modification from Phi Kappa Nu to Theta Kappa Nu as the central secret motto. In order: Theta-Alpha; Phi Kappa Nu local became Alabama-Alpha; Samford Univ. [Birmingham, AL] Theta-Gamma; Tau Lambda Delta local became Florida-Alpha; Rollins Coll. [Winter Park, FL] Theta-Epsilon; Tau Lambda Delta local became Florida-Beta; Univ. of Florida [Gainesville, FL] Theta-Zeta; Kappa Kappa Kappa (sometimes Tri Kappa) local became Indiana-Alpha; Hanover Coll. [Hanover, IN] Theta-Iota; Kappa Delta Psi local became Iowa-Alpha; Iowa Wesleyan Coll. [Mount Pleasant, IA] Theta-Lambda; Sigma Delta Chi local became Iowa-Beta; Simpson Coll. [Indianola, IA] Theta-Beta; Celts Club and Phi Beta Omega locals became Kansas-Alpha; Baker Univ. [Baldwin City, KS] Theta-Sigma; Phi Alpha Sigma local became Missouri-Alpha; Drury Coll. [Springfield, MO] Theta-Phi; Tau Lambda Delta local became North Carolina-Alpha; North Carolina State Univ. [Raleigh, NC] Theta-Delta; Kappa Phi local became Oklahoma-Alpha; Oklahoma City Univ. [Oklahoma City, OK] Theta-Pi; Phi Sigma local became Pennsylvania-Alpha; Gettysburg Coll. [Gettysburg, PA] Two of these "Theta" Zeta designations are not used because there was already a Lambda Chi Alpha chapter on campus. It was decided to assign the Zeta designations ignoring that fact. But Florida has always been known as Epsilon-Mu and NC State as Gamma-Upsilon. You might note that the locals at Rollins, Florida, and NCState have the same name. Each was founded with some degree of involvement of Dr. Winslow Anderson, the first Grand Archon. The Baker chapter died in 1934 with only 90 initiates . . . never operated under the Lambda Chi name. Rollins and Iowa Wesleyan were casualties of the early 1970s after initiating a bit over 500 each. Drury, Hanover, and Simpson have each been very strong LCA chapters during my memory (i.e., the last three decades). Oklahoma City has suffered due to the very shaky finances of the school, which has almost closed on several occasions. I'm not very familiar with the other four. Although not a founding chapter (i.e., no representative at the Springfield founding meeting in June 1924), the "Lambda Chi" local at Westminster Coll. [Fulton, MO] came aboard so quickly that its TKN charter as Missouri-Beta is dated October 11, 1924 . . . the date that TKN officially began with a "badging out" day. It's an interesting story; as the local's name suggests it was formed in order to become a chapter of Lambda Chi Alpha . . . but LCA was not giving charters on small college campuses at the time, so suggested both to the Westminster local and to Theta Kappa Nu that the two get together, which they did. Thus Lambda Chi Alpha international, in the persons of Bruce McIntosh and Linn Lightner, was responsible for the first addition to the TKN chapter roll beyond the 11 founding chapters. It indicates a closeness that was present between the two fraternities, which eventually led to the 1939 Union. Sad to say, the LCA judgment was correct; Missouri-Beta of TKN died a slow death . . . ceased operations in 1933 with only 84 initiates; it never functioned under the name of LCA. Z A X Chuck |
Jono, It Was I once said! Thank You For Putting This Forward to all of the Brothers!
As I mentioned, Baker U went Belly up and I think I am right in this, that they did not decide to go LXA! I will; have to reread the History Again! I am Saying Good night as am beat and doing many hrs! In ZAX |
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Did anyone see the Theta Kappa Nu founder's pin on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=715239806
It has a diamond in it so I assume it's a founder's one... |
re: diamond in pin
I think in latter years, any member could get a diamond in
the middle of their TKN pin...just because I've seen so many with a diamond |
re: TKN materials
The gist of the TKN ritual, including a description of the
"play" i mentioned, can be found in "Ritual What and Why", an open publication. All chapters should have a copy of it, and internationals would probably mail you a copy for a price. |
I have been told that the TKN Badge I have with AA Guard is not from Samford, but I know I am right!
It was at one time known as Butler. I think that Jono's reprint of Chuck's e-m sets it straight! Recruitment should be about over, and I hope All Did Well!! |
Yes, your badge is from Samford (Alabama Alpha)...I've got
the original owner's name. Samford used to be Howard College (not Butler)....apparently someone gave them alot of money when they almost went broke, so they changed the name of the college! |
Butler is in Indianapolis, and I think was a TKN chapter. Also, side note, I remember talking to Helmbock's son on the plane coming back from GA in 2000 and I think he said he was going to Samford that fall. Anyone know where he went, and if he joined LCA? He said he was hoping to, but didn't want to get in because of who he was (I think. this was over 2 years ago now :))
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Yes TH's son Associated at the Samford Chapter with 9 other men I beleive.
And yes I am the king of useless trivia Jason Lenox |
I thought TH's son was going to Associate there!
We had a Legacy who went SPE who is across the street from our house and he did not want to be know as Rambo's Boy! # 54. God killed Rams Man but has dealt with it! Also, his son has been instrumental in trying to keep the bad blood and fighting down or we both get booted! Maybe all worked for the best, but I know Rams figured his son lost out on the real deal! But he lives with it and very supportive of his son with His Fraternity. But he still is all out for LXA! He is a true Brother! |
Tom's son is currently an Active member of the chapter at Samford.
ZAX, Eric |
Theta Kappa Nu badge on eBay
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That looks beautiful.
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Hey, current phi doing research on TKN ritual, any body have any copies the could send my way?
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