Why not 2 forums - Women Alumnae Initiation and Men Alumni Initiation
 

I did not read all of the posts in the "Petition for new moderator for Alumni Initiation Forum," but wouldn't it be easier to just have 2 separate forums. One forum for Women Alumnae Initiation, with at least 1 moderator from a NPC group. One forum for Men Alumni Initiation with the present moderators of the Alumni Initiation forum.

This could solve the problem of moderators and the different aspects of women's AI and men's AI. It might also encourage more men to consider AI, since they could actually find AI stories from other men instead of weeding through all the women AI stories. Just a thought. :D

We have only had one man so far who has pursued alumni initiation. It is less common in fraternities. Creating a separate forum for it would probably just end up being a waste of space and John's time.

Ditto to KLPDaisy, but I'm not sure that a lot of Fraternities actually AI.

I think if there was a large male interest then we'd be hearing more about it.

Or no forum at all for AI?

I think there's enough interest in the AI forum. Look how many PNAMs there are, and there are a lot of alum issues such as advising, running chapters, etc. that should be seperate from that I think.

It really does seem that both forums work fine, why fix what ain't broke.

It is broke and has been for a LONG time.

I don't think it's any more "broken" than any other area of this forum. It's open to discussion. The PNAMs seem to be doing alright and getting generally good advice. A mod should step in when fights break out, but there aren't a lot here.

What's broke about it?

It isn't broken despite the attempts by some of you to break it.

Hey, lets not make it a fight over here too.

I agree with you blueangel, the thing is, I don't think John is going to change anything because of what is said in any of these threads.

/personal attacks are dumb no matter who uses them...

Here's what's good about the AI forum the way it is -- people post all kinds of crazy and/or inappropriate shit in here. Why would anybody want to stop them? Isn't it better if everybody knows about this before they're initiated?

It is not a personal attack.. it is fact. There is a small group on Greek Chat who have tried (and failed) to

1. get Tom removed as moderator

and failing that

2. get rid of the AI boards

They failed last year, and now, because we have a group of very happy PNAI's.. are trying to sabotage the boards again this year. That is the only reason that train wreck of a thread was resurrected.

What kinds of wild and crazy/inappropriate shit? Inappropriate should get modded no matter what forum it's in... but you're saying there's more inaccurate info HERE than in the Rush threads? At least AI is the same for each sorority nationwide as opposed to different for every single chapter.

If I post something inaccurate, someone else comes in and corrects me... a mod isn't going to necessarily have any better idea on the correction especially if they're not in my chapter.

I demand 26 NPC mods!! Even from the ones that don't AI, just so they can tell us that they don't AI.

Mods should not be the keepers of information, that isn't their job. They aren't researchers they're moderators. They shouldn't even necessarily be correcting incorrect info. That's not a mod specific job.

Umm some of the people who want to add another moderator are AI's, I don't think they're trying to sabotage anything.

Well, it's really a personal opinion, I think. There are some things that PNAMs have posted that had me thinking OMGWTF I can't believe this person posted that; or wow, that's really inappropriate or Too Much Information. I don't want to mention anybody by name -- and the thing is, I really don't want that stuff to be moderated. If somebody thinks it's okay to post something that I consider inappropriate, I say have at it. There's a good chance that sort of thing will affect someone's pursuit of AI, and I think that's a good thing.

Yeah, though I always hope that a sorority will not drop someone because of a message board comment. Short of XYZ sucks because they're ugly.. or something like that...

Regardless, I think that generally those who post in the AI forums are straightfoward and at least moderately knowledgeable and the PNAMs seem like they get mostly good advice, even when that advice is "go ask somewhere else"

I dont think the forum needs a "pledge mom" just like I don't think ANY of the forums need mommies. It's kind of like wikipedia. We self correct most of the inaccurate info.

The thing is, we have INITIATED MEMBERS posting on GC that do this as well.

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I get the impression that someone thinks one of the current PNAIs is crazy, full of crap, not worthy of being an NPC member, or something to that effect. I pretty much thought all of this fuss before was over mshoole. Who is it that is a fraud this time around?

out of respect to the PNAMs could that be taken to PM?

If someone's not worthy of joining a sorority, they won't be accepted into one. Someone's online life doesn't reflect all of their real life attributes.

They could be. People on GC have gone to bat for PNAMs before - and in some cases, it's worked out great. In others, not so much.

Yes, but it does reflect some part of them. That idea seems to be getting lost with some of them. Whether they realize it or not, their actions are noticed by those of us already in GLOs and a lot of us have the ability to share our opinions freely with other women in our group.

And we are usually listened to.

If you have approached someone on GC for help getting into a group that you want, you should realize that that person is going to be looking to see if you have the qualities required before she puts her reputation on the line helping you.

Yeah, just like if you ask someone to write a rec they could check the "I do not recommend this woman" box.

That has nothing to do with the quality of the AI forum. If you object to a PNAM attempting to AI your sorority protest all you want. But the forum isn't broken, it seems much like the Rush forum and seems to work well.

What does affect the quality is when people are encouraged to seek out members, encouraged to do things with XYZ by someone from ABC, directed to do things 'this way' when it may be the most damaging way.

Certain members have encouraged people to share way too much information - how many groups they contact, when they meet them, what they do once they meet them etc. Sharing this can (and has) damaged people's chances at AI...and the PNAMs can only be blamed so much, because for the most part it's current sorority members who are encouraging them to do things that are potentially damaging to their search.

I think an NPC knowledgeable moderator with AI experience (whether it be an AI or an officer etc), would be able to better direct the forum so that things like that don't have the potential to harm someone's chances.

This *isn't* the rush forum. It's not a bunch of 18 year olds excited about college - it's about grown women searching for sisterhood, and things are different from Rush, the atmosphere is completely different, therefore the forum should be run differently as well. We need someone to assist in doing that properly.

What is so wrong with wanting someone knowledgeable and discrete to help lead the forum? I think everyone would think it was beneficial to add a mod.

Except everyone doesn't. What's a mod going to do that someone else can't do already? If I say do X, Y and Q. The mod's going to come in and say.. NOOO don't do Q. Same thing happens now with me saying X, Y and Q and maryQposter saying Q is a bad idea. The mod shouldn't delete posts etc. Plenty of people watch over this forum... why does it need to be a mod? As Earp posted in the other forum, he's recommended people, but this argument became more than "just wanting a mod"

These are a bunch of adult women from 23 up who are interested in sisterhood, yes. But they also like to do cheers etc.

It seems that posting on here has helped more women than it's hurt.

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We don't need someone to "Lead" the forum. None of the other mods "lead" and they shouldn't here. Heck if any forum would need the leader it would be the 18 year olds going to college one.

AIs don't need a moderator Rho Chi

Thank You. There is nothing wrong with AI as a sub forum of Alum Thread except for a few who want to disrupt it.

AI as a Sub Forum was added at the request of by many of the same people who are protesting it today.

It seems as had been said for only one reason and has been so said:(


If this forum becomes the same as the other, I will lock it.:mad:

AI is a forum/thread that is to aid those who are looking to AI, not belittle them or make snide remarks!

It is need as has been seen by so many great ladys who have been Initiated within the bond of GLOs.

All one has to do is look around and see!:)

Yes, because it has turned into something we'd rather not be associated with. Which is really sad.

I could not agree with You More!:)

But, the main thing is Women/Men who are intersted in attaining this staus as You and others have done!

Not what is a problem on here!

Honestly you should go ahead and lock, it's off topic and I don't want the morning people to pick this back up again.

If you don't want to be on the AI thread, then don't. Those of us there now seem to be doing just fine :)

If a forum where you pretend to be corn is what you want, then go right ahead and have it lol.

Lol well actually i'm being the farmer.

There's a lot of downtime in AI and I'm THRILLED that they're filling it by not getting disheartened...

I am not really sure what that post was about?:(

The PNAMs decided to each pick crops that represented themselves... it's really a metaphor that they've been playing with. It's rather entertaining actually and it's not at all negative.

So one's corn and another's grapes, etc...

LOL, You know I dont like to lock or delete threads unless and only if they get how do I say this-Ignorante?;)

Yeah, just keep an eye on us eh?

We could get CRAAAAZy over here ;)

*sigh*
 

Alright alright...you caught us trying to have fun..
The whole corn reference was to essentially "poke fun" at us being called a crop of PNAM. I never intended it to take on the meaning it has, but I'm not mad is has taken on what it is. We are trying to have fun. It isn't bad mouthing any GLO, isn't revealing any GLO we are looking at, isn't giving away any secrets, or even making us look bad in my opinion. We are acting silly. I mean...is there a magical age you turn and you can't act silly anymore? Is it that big of a deal? If you have a problem with one of us, please PM us. I mean at least we are farm crops..I could have picked a crop of marijuana, but that's not my cup of tea.

I co-sign with my PNAM sister! Truthfully we could have been insulted at being called "crops". Instead we made it fun. We are told all the time not to obsess over how long this process takes and to have fun. That's exactly what we did. Even though AI is a long hard road I think we all want it to be a fun road, regardless of the outcome.

LOL, You know I am upon this! LOL!

But it had better not get out of Hand as I am going to be a hard Rear!;)

Silly, who acts silly anymore!:o

Isnt that the Problem!:rolleyes:

*hugs the PNAMs* yay for having fun

Seriously, I feel like a pledge mom... and y'all are my babies... er.. crops.. making me the pledge farmer...

lol

I know i have no real right to say that, I'm just so excited for each of you. It seems like you're all having good luck and at least gradual success.

I'm sooooo emotionally invested ;)

Thanks for being our cheerleader, farmer, and a voice! I know I really appreciate it!!! I "heart" Drolefille!!!!!

And Mr. Tom Earp as well! :D

Why thank You!

I am sure that is not appreciated but for Me it is~!:)

Dont call Me Mr. It makes Me feel OLD!:o

Okay, I am semi mature, but damnit I dont feel OLD!:rolleyes:

Sorry Tom! ;) I thought I would call you Mr. out of respect... would cool dude work better? LOL But seriously, thank you also for being supportive.