Is Joe Lieberman really a Democrat?
 

What are you thoughts and why?



I think he should still be a Democrat. People say his war stance alienates him from his party but I cannot see for the life of me why people cannot understand his stance. The man is Jewish. Israel is right next to Iraq. Any nation that does not define itself as an islamic state and who goes to war in the mid-east Joe Lieberman will support whether it be England, France, Italy, Germany, whoever. Conquering any arab nation helps ensure Israel's chance for survival (not that they need it being as they're the most powerful nation in the mid-east) and it's a given any jew anywhere in the world would be for a war against islamic states. Can anyone tell me why members of our party have a hard time seeing the reason for his stance on the war?

If you look at Lieberman's voting record overall, he votes strongly with Democrats. I can't see how you can say he's NOT a democrat, to tell you the truth. The American Conservative Union gives him an extremely low rating, and Americans for Democratic Action gives him a high rating.

The problem, image-wise, is that he falls in with the Scoop Jackson wing of Democrats, which tends to be more in favor of intervention in global disputes. It's a hot button issue that causes some Democrats, and some who don't know much about politics, to brand him as a fake Dem, or a Republican in Democrat's clothing.

Maybe it's because I'm from CT and moving back there in the fall, but this whole election is really interesting. If someone like Ned Lamont, with little political experience and a weak platform, can oust a longtime senator like Lieberman (who has done a great deal for CT), I don't know if it says a whole lot about CT democrats.

HAHA I've heard that if it involves money or gold, they'll also be supporting a war. hahahaha

-Rudey

I can't say anything about the money or gold thing because I have never heard of someone saying that. However, I do know many Jews and none of them have neither neutral or warm feelings for Arabs. And absolutly none of them think the Palestinians should have their own state.

wow. speechless.

I don't agree with Lieberman much, but I think he is an person of character. Simply because he doesn't believe we should cut and run in Iraq, does not warrant the attacks he is coming under. Keep in mind that many of those who are currently against him supported the war in the first place. I've heard some of the anti-Lieberman ads, and some of them claim he's not a "real CT democrat." That seems like a compliment to me.

Jews love money. All they want is to fight against Muslims and get rich. Haven't you read the Protocols of Zion?

It's really bizarre though that so much money is flowing from Jews to make sure Lieberman doesn't win the re-election though. That I don't get.

-Rudey

It is bizarre. I cannot think of one politician in congress besides Lieberman that is Jewish. Can you? Aside from Hollywood and the nation's banking system, you would think shaping the political landscape would be next on the agenda.

We're still working on Hollywood. Too many Christmas movies and very few Hannukah ones. We're getting to Congress though. Chuck Schumer (D, NY) is Jewish.

Yeah with movies like this: The Hebrew Hammer

Plot summary:An orthodox Jewish blaxploitation hero saves Hanukkah from the clutches of Santa Claus's evil son

Tagline: Part Man. Part Street. 100% Kosher.

And let's not forget Adam Sandler's 8 Crazy Nights.

The Hanukkah Song

Intro: This is a song, that uh, theres alot of Xmas songs out there,
but not too many about Hanukkah,
so I wrote a song for all those nice little Jewish kids
who dont get to hear any Hanukkah songs--here we go...

Put on your yalmulka, here comes Hanukkah
Its so much fun-akkah to celebrate Hanukkah,
Hanukkah is the Festival of Lights,
Instead of one day of presents, we have eight crazy nights.
When you feel like the only kid in town without a Xmas tree,
Heres a list of people who are Jewish, just like you and me:

David Lee Roth lights the menorah,
So do James Caan, Kirk Douglas, and the late Dinah Shore-ah
Guess who eats together at the Karnickey Deli,
Bowzer from Sha-na-na, and Arthur Fonzerrelli.
Paul Newmans half Jewish; Goldie Hawns half too,
Put them together what a fine lookin Jew!
You dont need Deck the Halls or Jingle Bell Rock
Cause you can spin the dreidl
with Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock-both Jewish!

Put on your yalmulka, its time for Hanukkah,
The owner of the Seattle Supersonic-ahs celebrates Hanukkah.
O.J. Simpson-- not a Jew!
But guess who is...Hall of Famer--Rod Carew--(he converted!)
We got Ann Landers and her sister Dear Abby,
Harrison Fords a quarter Jewish not too shabby!
Some people think that Ebeneezer Scrooge is, Well, hes not,
but guess who is: All three stooges.
So many Jews are in show biz-- Tom Cruise isn't, but I heard his agent is.
Tell your friend Veronica, its time you celebrate Hanukkah
I hope I get a harmonica, on this lovely, lovely Hanukkah.
So drink your gin-and-tonic-ah, and smoke your marajuanic-ah,
If you really, really wanna-kah,
Have a happy, happy, happy, happy Hanukkah.

Lyrics: Adam Sandler

There were also 2 more remakes of that song and a movie by the same name.

I respect him because I think he votes his beliefs and not party line. Which is what I want out of my representation. Of course, he isn't my senator.

But I like Barack Obama even better :)

Intoducing, my baby's daddy, Barack Obama!

:eek: You mean you weren't married?

I seriously like the guy though... as a politician! Geez.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. I just have a little problem with senator's wives introducing them as "my baby's daddy" on national tv.

Hadn't heard that one... got a link?

Read/listen to one of his speeches sometime though. And he seems to practice what he preaches.

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/...ranscript.html

I've heard him speak, he is a good politician. He also may be a person of strong character, I dont know. However, the fact that I disagree on the majority of his issue stances would keep me from supporting him in any way.

Understandable. Though I feel that many times I would rather have a leader who I can trust, even if I don't agree with his stance. I'm not really 100% left or right. And when I lean right, Republicans don't always satisfy me (stop spending so much money dammit!) Same for leaning left. So if I can't have a candidate that I agree with 100% then at least have one who isn't going to be bought and sold to the highest bidder.

I overlook some things. If Barak was a person of obvious strong character and yet differed slightly on issues, I could support him. However, the differences between my ideology and his are too numerous.

The Junior Senator from Illinois hasn't had enough time to build up a list of enemies. Give it time.

-Rudey

Understandable.

And as for enemies, you should have been in Illinois during the Senate race. I first started liking him when his responses to Alan Keyes attack ads/speeches (JESUS wouldn't vote for Barack Obama) were polite and on the issues instead of throwing the mud right back.

/Jesus isn't registered to vote in Illinois.. only dead people vote here, not resurrected ones
//Plus I'm pretty sure he's not a US Citizen

Actually...Herb Kohl and Russ Feingold, both from Wisconsin, are also Jewish.

Furthermore, both oppose the war, with Feingold being one of the most outspoken opponents.

Feingold is also a tremendous douche about all things political, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

My comment was in response to this...
Just pointing out that Feingold is both Jewish and opposed to the war

I think she's getting at that GAC3710 was saying Jews will always want to go to war with Islamic states, and saying that there are no Jews in Congress besides Mr. Lieberman, and she was proving him wrong on both accounts.

Also, I don't really think Feingold is a douche. If we're going to start calling Wisconsin politicians douches, I would start with one F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.

Russ rivals Pelosi and McKinney for biggest douche in Washington.

I'm not a huge fan of Frist, but when he basically bitch slapped Feingold on the censure resolution, what a great moment.

Wisconsin, gross.

Yeah, my bad. I forgot that disliking a state, especially a rabidly liberal one, is not classy. When you throw people like Russ Feingold up there, thats the reaction you get...

A brief synopsis...

Russ: Lets censure the President...

Frist: Ok, lets do it Russ, lets call a vote...

Democrats: Uh, we, uh, no, we're not prepared for that...

Oh man, you got me. My state school did get me into law school however, so I don't have any complaints. Also, if you're expecting to learn politics in a classroom, you're going to be pretty inept in the field (I suspect this may describe you).

Now, back to Wisconsin, first lets start with Russ. Americans for Dem. Action voted him a perfect 100 on liberalism. On a conservative ranking of 1-100, he recieved a 12. Lets not forget his pathetic attempt at censuring Bush.

Your other senator, Herb Kohl is also a Democrat (surprise!). No kidding, he also scored a 100 on the ADA's "how bleeding heart are you?" rating.

Governor Doyle, Also a dem...

I'll give it to you, you do have 4 Republican congressmen, but I don't think you're even close to being a conservative state. At times you could perhaps describe Wisconsin as moderate, but lets be honest, its solidly blue.

For those who don't believe me, have a stroll through campus in Madison, generally thought to be among the most liberal cities in the country, and home to one of the country's more liberal public U's.

I'm on scholarship too, well, kinda. I've got the money, but I guess I'm not officially on anything until next week...a conservative law school? I don't believe it. Mine is in the south, but I don't think its close to conservative. But then, what I think is conservative is probably different from your definition.

I mean, no offense, but if Thompson is the conservative you're puttin up against people like Feingold...

Perhaps Wisconsin voters are moderate, but I think your state projects a very liberal image. I still have a tough time believing a state that would elect those two senators could really be moderate...Maybe the liberal base is just that far to the left.

[QUOTE=GeekyPenguin]Wisconsin is rabidly liberal? It went for Kerry by 1%. Rabidly liberal is Massachussetts.

[QUOTE]

Haha, I don't think "rabid" even begins to tell how liberal it is in Massachusetts. When I tell people I'm a Republican living in Boston, I get some funny looks.

After yesterday, it appears that Senator Lieberman is, in fact, an independent. Or at least hopes to be running as one.

He's definitely running as one; it's just a matter of how many Republicans and Independents he can sway for funding and support. CT has a large number of Independents; it even has had a recent Independent Governor (Lowell Weicker, best known as a Republican Senator who vocally criticized Nixon during Watergate).

He's in his 60's, and this is most likely his last chance. I guess he figures, why not?

I don't agree with Lieberman, but he's got character.

I don't agree with him sometimes -- but for different reasons I'd bet -- but he does seem to stand up for what he believes.

I guess.

Joe (the alien) leads in CT
 

Sen. Joe Lieberman has built a 17-point lead over Lamont, according to a poll taken after the debate this week.

Lieberman leads Lamont 52 percent to 35 percent (among likely voters).

This has to be a nuclear slap down of the cut and run majority in the Kerry-Pelosi-Reid ("what happens in Las Vegas is supposed to stay in Las Vegas)-Clinton Democrat party.

How about Santa's Slay? A straight-to-video movie starring former wrestler Bill Goldberg as a homocidal Santa Claus. He kills a guy with a star of David. That was kinda funny.

Wow, I didn't realize Lieberman was that far ahead. It's been the most negative race I've ever seen. The commercials are ridiculous, moreso on Lamont's side. He accuses Lieberman of everything short of being a baby-killer.