No SGRho and IPhi
 

yo .... we outlaws ... we for us... we dont need other peoples weight on our shoulders... outlaws arent always accepted... i thinl this proposed aliance with SGRho could be perceived as an attempt to be accepted more within the noble nine... we have to do us ... dont worry about others

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KL

What proposed alliance? There is no such proposal under consideration.

[This message has been edited by IotaNet (edited July 01, 2001).]

when i said alliance it was not meant in a formal sense. everywhere i go and even discussion in here reflects the "alliance" of SGRho and IPHI. It may just be out of greek love but my comments came out of frustration with that organization. All I have had was bad experiences with the vast majority of SGRhos that I have encountered. If it was up to me I say leave them alone but please take my comments more as blowing off steam and not ignorance to this issue.
OW-OW

Knowledge 1999 - Why are you frustrated with my organization? Care to elaborate?

Because you may have had bad experiences with some of my Sorors don't put us all in one basket and put the whole sisterhood down.

And what do you mean by "leave them alone". You sound so ignorant. Just because you may have had several bad experiences with some of my Sorors doesn't mean that you can't experience true friendship and respect with another. Besides you haven't met me yet http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Let me state it for the record as I have done on the SGRho board and as Iota Net has done here. "WE HAVE NO OFFICIAL BROTHER ORGANIZATION." What people have gotten all bent out of shape about is a tribute page written by one of your members because his girl was an SGRho and he had good experiences with us and he chose to express it. THAT IS ALL!

MAY I PLEASE CLEAR ONE THING UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am the one who made the "page" up, so I figure that I better clear a few things up *again* so people know what's up. *smile*

I DID NOT DO IT JUST BEACUSE I DATE A MEMBER OF SIGMA GAMMA RHO SORORITY, INCORPORATED.

I did it b/c I have had some GREAT experiences with the members (especially my girlfriend's chapter *Omicron Omicron* and Epsilon Zeta at VCU) of that illustrious organization and have been treated like a king by some ladies of RHOYALTY. *smile*

So I chose to express my thanks (and the thanks passed along by nationals themselves to the MANY members of SGRho that attended the Headquarter's dedication
*I think IOTANET issued the formal thank you on Simply Greek awhile back*) in this fashion.

BlueReign (hey how ya been?) knows that my feelings are sincere and in NO WAY have I asked for a bro/sis relationship. We all can stand alone (you know the deal), but we are apart of a larger community: the BGLO community as well as many other communities.

Why separate when we can get along and make positive things happen. We are a strong unit with alies you know.

Plus, not all of us have had bad experiences (sorry that you did frat, but BlueReign is right: do not let a few spoiled apples ruin the sweetness of the apple tree *smile*).

So much luv and respect to you frat, BlueReign (keep doing great things), IOTANET (hold it down frat), and EVERYONE.

And please forgive the caps and the bold text, but I wanted to get my feelings across.

Holla!!!!!!!!!

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Suntzu 1963
Member of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc.
4-FALL-99
UVA Colony
OW OW
LIPTTDID
W.W.N.O.R.T.

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-"Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content, will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual."

-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[This message has been edited by suntzu1963 (edited July 02, 2001).]

To BlueReign and suntzu1963 ...

Well said and said well!


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IotaNet
Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc.
Alpha Eta Chapter, Spring, 1980

Kappa Kappa Psi Honorary Band Fraternity
Zeta Nu Chapter, Spring, 1979

Speaking of IPhi and SGRho...

The newest topic on the SGRho forum is Greek Unity. Do you represent?

I rep to a degree..... it is safe to say that all the relations ships with the other organizations vary dependent on the region or place. at my school ..... greek relations is at a low..... i believe that we have to develop a peaceful relationship and coexist and rep the pan hell in an honorable way.....but i always plan to keep my focus on my organization and chapter..... if good relations develop.....so be it..... but the BROWN AND GOLD must push forward regardless


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KL

Cool.

Bruh,

There is not an alliance with SG Rho at all. I think that we understand each other more than anything else and why you may ask? It is because we are the last or babies of the noble 9. Even though Sigma Gamma Rho was founded in 1922, they are still struggling just as we are to make strides. So it is not a brother/sister thing. It is an understanding and great respect for one another because we know what each is going through.

i feel u frat, its just a personal thing with me. im sorry for starting a comotion. imma sqaush the subject...

OW OW

No SGRho and IPhi
 

Why would any brother of Iota Phi Theta be opposed to an alliance with Lovely ladies. The term 'outlaw' means against the law, are you saying that the Brothers of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. are criminals. I dont think of myself as such, not to mention the many chapters and continued growth in the south is simply because was part of the Divine Nine. My advice to you brother is to reconsider Iota's position in the scheme of things. You will realize that Iota may not need allies but it is always good to have them. Even England needed allies during World War II.

Darkrage
New York:(

I feel very strongly about this.
 

I want to put this as simple as I may put it. What my boy was trying to say was, he has had bad relations with these ladies at our college. In a matter of fact, all of our brothers at the chapter have experienced some bad relations with these ladies. For the record no one chapter of any organization can truely represent the whole. I happened to like Sigma Gamma Rhos, however the one at our college can learn a thing or two about how to conduct business with respect when dealing with another organization. times 12 brown

I agree. I attended the NYC SGRHO RhoyalFest this past Summer and really did not know alot of people there. These wonderful sisters introduced me around and I felt very welcome!


Holman's World
http://www.holmans-world.com/

What's going on?
 

I've never heard of this so-called "alliance" between SGRho and Iota Phi Theta. Maybe it's because I am from alabama and we always seem to get the latest news last. As far as I'm concerned Sigma Gamma Rho never has and never will have a "brother" organization unless our constitution is suddenly re-written. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but love for all of my male greek counterparts, but I don't like it when others try to make it seem as if the SGRhos are desperately seeking a brother. This is definately not the case because we have been standing on our own ever since 1922 and we will continue to do so until the end of time. So for the record my sorors and I are able to get along and kick it with any fraternity from TKE (white fraternity) to Iota Phi Theta not because we need a brother, but because we're just cool like that! EE-YIP! Thanks!

"just cool like that"

My Soror has spoken!! EEEYIIIIP!!

STOP THIS POINTLESS CONVO!!!!!
 

I TRY NOT TO POST TO THESE THINGS, BUT I CAN'T HELP IT. FOR THE LAST TIME(AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR), SGRHO IS NOT LOOKING FOR "BRUHS" WHETHER IT BE IOTA, KAPPA, OR LITTLE JOE DOWN THE STREET. HOWEVER WE DO LIKE TO SHOW LOVE TO ALL FRATS, AND IF THEY GIVE US LOVE, PROPS, ETC...DON'T PERCEIVE IT AS ANYTHING MORE THAN IT IS...GREEK LOVE, RESPECT, AND ADMIRATION FOR THE LADIES OF SGRHO. NOW FROM REGION TO REGION MY SORORS MAY HAVE TIGHT BONDS WITH A FRAT AND THAT IS FINE...BUT UNTIL WE ARE LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY BOUND TO A FRAT(WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN), WE, AS A WHOLE WILL CLAIM NO ONE FRAT AS OURS...THE LADIES OF SIGMA ARE "SORORS" TO THE LADIES OF SIGMA...SIMPLE AS THAT! :D

To the brothers of Iota Phi Theta :)
 

Hello everyone. Personally I don't get offended easily, so I'm cool... and this isn't a "bash" post. Just wanted to throw this out on the table...

*sigh* Are we THAT terrible that there has to be a mad discussion on "I don't want you!" and "I don't need you!"? I mean, is it that crucial... Everyone knows that you can stand on your own and we can stand on our own. Nobody "needs" nobody. Okay... that's established, but my goodness, would it be THAT bad if Iotas and SGRhos established a golden love on a univ. campus?

My point is, be comfortable in who you are enough to let things roll. If somebody wanted to show gold love, then hey... do your thing, but everyone knows that "IPHI is not looking for a sister organization" and that "SGRho has been standing alone since 1922." Independence is great, but EVERYBODY needs SOMEBODY in one way or another. Otherwise, why do we have NPHC if we're all so independent? Or why do we pass out flyers for our parties and hope that "we" are the only ones there?

Just a thought... Much love, people.

ON A SIDE NOTE:

IotaNET, are you a member of Kappa Kappa Psi?????

*hoping that he looks at the signature below*

Personally I'd like to see this thread disappear..........*clearing throat* [hint, hint].

Much luv to all Greek Letter Orgs and especially to the Rhoyally Blutiful ladies of SGRho.

Make the thread disappear?
 

@SunTzu -

I feel you frat but I think this is a topic that is worthy of discussion. As I've said over and over again, there is no official relationship between Iota and Sigma. Having said that, there are some unofficial bonds that have sprung up over time. As long as it's positive, I have no problem with it.

I think that Brothers need to temper their emotions with some discretion and sensitivity -- remember that this is a public forum and what is done/said here by one Brother affects all Brothers.

We may not all agree but we can agree to not be disagreeable.

I understand your point
 

I understand your point IotaNet, but as we have seen this topic over and over again and the discuourse has gotten us nowhere.

It is redundant at best since we have other threads which deal with the same issue. Of course we can all agree to disagree and it is a public forum, but as you see with other topics in other forums that it is best when a topic has run its course to simply move on.

My feelings about any other organization are no longer at the forefront of why I want to move on. There are far more interesting issues (both greek-related and unrelated) to talk about than this topic at this time (and I've found myself starting a lot of threads when I know there are a bunch of other folks *with better topics than mine* out there).

Let's get this board back to the level of excitement that it reached when it was incorporated into the Iota National website.

Can somebody tell me who this darkrage is.
Are you a member of Iota Phi Theta Inc.?
I just want to know.



Impervios
'deuce'
anchor
I.S.S.O.S
Spring '96
Alpha Beta chapter
Southern Illlinois University Edwardsville

The Outlaw thing must stop. Now.
 

To my Brothers of Iota:

I'm not sure wheter "Darkrage" is a Brother or not but I do agree with him on one thing: This "OUTLAW" thing has got to stop!

The origin of the term is something that has been twisted out of perspective for years and it was not especially applicable when it was coined and it CERTAINLY is not appropriate now.

When you study your history, you find that the term was a pejorative one that was applied under a unique set of circumstances. (And when you learn the ENTIRE scenario, you will be amazed at what REALLY happened!)

I would ask that we refrain from using the term and I know that soon Bro. Birdine will issue a directive to that effect.

Every "Outlaw" I have ever heard of ended up in jail or dead. Our legacy as a Fraternity is far more majestic than that.

this is how i view the situation:
alliance or not, SIGMA GAMMA RHO and IOTA PHI THETA have this much in common:

we both are organizations of men and women who were not afraid to step outside of what is popular or "in" or part of the majority...

we are organizations built of people who have enough heart to decide to be the decided minority--- we could have been anything that we wanted to, but we chose to take paths less traveled...
lets be real about it: it is HARD to be a SIGMA GAMMA RHO or an IOTA in our sphere of greek society: we have to work harder just to be recognized and more profoundly, commended for our accomplishments; we have become accustomed to representing as if there were 50 of us on the yard only when there are 10 of us, but still holding it down to the fullest; we are men and women who didn't have to be down with what everybody else was trying to do just to feel like we were pledging an organization that was worth our efforts...
we have this much in common:
we may be the youngest, lesser acknowledged, and lesser appreciated, but we are STRONGER because of what we chose...
i do think SIGMA GAMMA RHO doesn't have it as hard to the same degree as IOTA(we are some 40 years older)but we,for the most part are in the same boat...
we need to appreciate that. i commend the brothers of iota phi theta because i can relate! i think our alliance lies there-- although sometimes seen as being "on the bottome", we always RISE TO THE TOP!

I agree. I personally would love to have some sort of work relationship with bros. of Iota seeing we have some commonality in commitment to go above and beyond because of our positions in greekdom. It will help our communities tremendously. Question: Are there any chapters of Iota Phi Theta in Alabama?

HC?
 

How come..

When a member of group A says something offensive to Group B, then apologizes, all of the members of Group B feel it's necessary to comment on something that has already been commented on tenfold?

Can we stop with the hateration already?

If you're down with the Golden Love Affair, great! I think it's all mutual respect, not a need for a bro/sis relationship. If you're not, that's your opinon, but there's no need for dissing others.

BTW, if you're really grown, you'll post under a name that everyone recognizes because you can stand by your words.

Yes to Iota Phi Theta and Sigma Gamma Rhos
 

The last time I spoke on this issue was a couple of years ago, since then I have grown in the frat, with wisdom and experience. I feel differently about the SGRhos and so does my conrad. We have a new found respect for the Rhoyal Blue and Gold, Pretty poodles of Sigma Gamma Rho. Time can usally heal wounds, no matter how deep. Whatever the beef was, it has been long forgotten, and now we hug when we see each other.
I had an opportunity to see the SGRhos from Chi-town step and they were off the chain at our National Convention this year.
And we are having a party with the ladies too.
I love all the ladies of the NPHC, but the SGRhos are one of my favorite!

Well not to hijack the thread, but I am glad to see the number of new Iota posters to GC.

To my fellow Greeks of Iota and SGR--both of ya'll keep holding your own. The Divine 9 is divine because of all 9 of us are awesome!

Re: What's going on?
 

I'm in Texas and I've never heard of a SGR / IPT alliance. Maybe this is regional.

I'd have to agree with what my Sorhors have said already:

1. Don't let one bad experience color your thoughts on an org.
and
2. We (SGR) don't need a brother org.

Re: Re: What's going on?
 

With all due respect, we all know that no org. needs another organization to do their thing. But isn't it nice when we can all come together and do positive things for our communities and each other?

Either way.......Let's bury this topic again if it is going to cause some negativity on this board *this is a public service announcement brought to you by the Iota Preventative Measures Committee :p *

Returning to our regularly scheduled program............ ;)

Re: Yes to Iota Phi Theta and Sigma Gamma Rhos
 

Hey frat, I am glad to hear that the relations between them and you guys have improved. This world is much better with peace.

Much luv to all organizations as we all stand for such noble ideals.

i went to this stepshow last night down here in miami, and i promise the SGRHos behind us were the finest women in the whole spot. gatdayum!!! make a dude think to himself "i gotta woman, i gotta woman, i gotta woman."

;)

yes to iphi and sgrho
 

hey whassup fellow greeks....i would have to agree with some of the comments that were made as far as i think it is a good idea for sgrho and iphit to become supportive of each other.....there is no harm in showing golden love...understand that my frat my have had some bad experiences but hey that does not mean you feel that way about them all....my cousin just crossed sigma and i love them to death man.....we are real cool with the sgrhos on our campus and they always support us...iphit and sgrho do have a great understanding of each other and that is what makes us connect....i like the fact personally that in some places we are tight like that with them....frat i love you man but even though you had a bad experience with some of the ladies of sgrho...man you should not have taken it out like you did bruh because actually they are some really cool women....to be exact they are one of the coolest sororities in the d9.....

as for me and may chapter located at jacksonville state university now epsilon omicron chapter we will always support them because above all i respect they struggle and what they stand for and i think many of them feel the same about us.....so if you ask me i would consider them my sorors because they are what sisterhood is all about...and that is coming from a man who is proud of the brown and gold......there is no other greater....i give respect to all but sgrho is one of my favorites also...so for the sgrho that ask was there a chapter yes there are two here in alabama one is at alabama state university and here in jacksonville...and to the ladies of sigma....don't think bad of us....cuz the majority of us love you....

OW OW
I'M OWT!!!!!

Maybe so...
 

Personally,
I wouldnt mind having sister org. But we have to remember that we are able to stand alone. I give respect to all SGRhos. The ones at our chapter Alpha Psi, show us alot of love and respect. And that is why there is several alliances at different schools. But on that note, showt owt to all my BROS

holla at us at iotasatrutgers@yahoo.com -alpha psi Rutgers University

IOTA AND SGRHO
 

WASSUP FRAT,


Of course there is no national alliance between Theta men and SGRho's. However, in many cases, SGRho and Iota have bonded with each other because of a mutual repsect and understanding of each other. This is the same with every alliance. Not all Alpha's and AKA's share a bond. I've seen some schools where AKA and Kappa's "claim" each other. I'm not justifying this alliance or talking against it but the ladies of SGRho at the Eta Tau chapter here in Hattiesburg, MS have shown us nothing but love from the day we arrived on campus. We go to parties together, do community service together, even make up new party walks together. It's all out of love that we share with each other. If you've had bad experiences on either side at your respective schools then that's fine but you have to look at the grander scheme of things. Though we are all affiliated with different organizations, we are all greek. We have to stick together and rise over stereotypes, petty differences, and the like if we are to achieve anything great. Now that I've gotten the serious stuff out of the way, everybody check out the goldenluvaffair group out on yahoo.com. It's for all Iota Phi
Theta and Sigma Gamma Rho members.

Ow-Ow!

Theta men? Okay please school me on what you prefer to be called. I have much love for the Iotas and don't want to make a mistake.

Ladygreek -

Let me see if I can clear this up. Theta Men is an old-school term that originated at Alpha Chapter in the '60's and is primarily used by Brothers among the Brothers. (We have a old song called "Theta Man" that I'm not sure any of the younger Brothers even know! :cool: )

From a "Proper Protocol" and "Preferred Practice" standpoint, we prefer to be called "Iotas" or "Iota Men."

IotaNet

P.S. In spite of all of this, quite often we simply get referred to as "Them Damn Iotas!" ... and we don't mind that either! ;)