stereotypes
 

I have heard so many things about how stuck up AKA's are and how they you can not be one if your not pretty enough. I live on the east coast and I don't know any AKA's personally so how do I find out if the sterotypes are true?

There are several stereotypes surrounding any fraternity or sorority, but they seem to be excessive around AKA and Deltas. (AKA's are the pretty, smart ones and Deltas are the rough, more ghetto ones). I know members of each. And I can tell you that in my personal experience, these women are all very intelligent, and I uldn't say any of them are prettier than others.

Don't let stereotypes prevent you from checking out all of your options.

SkeeeWeee to my sorors out there. Yes AKA
and Delta and Zeta and SGRHO's have stereotypes. Of course they hold some truth if you are open to it. AKA pretty, smart, Delta rough, ghetto, Zeta fat, hard core, Sigma fat, unattractive. But of course you can find variety in all the groups that's
why its a stereotype.

Bunny, you posted your statement as if those features aren't present in all organizations?!? Each and EVERY organization has some of each and believe me ALL AKA's aren't smart or/and pretty!! Why do people continue these sterotypes in the first place? Are those sterotypes that you believe in? I never hear of AKA's repeating the one about them being "hoes" and smoke out. Unless you like to keep these sterotypes alive, why repeat them??

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ALWAYS INFORMING TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT

Never wanted to take part in a weekend sleepover!! oops, I'm sorry, an AKA induction.

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ALWAYS INFORMING TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT

Informer,
Are you bitter because you were rejected by my organization? It seems as though you have a deep dislike for AKAs. Every time I look, you are slithering around an AKA post.

Missy,
I have studied fraternities and sororities for 5 years and wrote a book on them. I can help you concerning stereotypes.

Mr. Hatchett,
Maybe you can educate this misinformed creature.

Missy & AKAtude-
check out Mr. Hatchett's website at www.antigreekbigot.com. Or go to his charming comment in the "hazing" thread...

seriously Missy - Don't listen to stereotypes. Sometimes they have grains of truth, but consider how small a grain is compared to a whole wheat field! Just keep your eyes & ears (and your mind)open as much as you can and use the knowledge YOU gather to form YOUR opoinions.

Informer you like to get people upset don't you. God loves you, so stop spreading hate. and there are beautiful, smart, wonderful women in every sorority absolutely without
a doubt.

I would not listen to stereotypes that people tell me. Every chapter is different and is defined by the women who are in them. I lived with three 3 AKA's during school in different years, and although I recieved an invitation to join I wasn't ready to at that time. I have known women that are AKAs who are very outgoing, nice and intelligent women, the same goes for Deltas. On the other hand I have known women in both organizations who were mean, rude or arrogant. Hell, people have said those things about my sorority at one point or another.

The same can be said of any sorority because of the members they recruit. If you want to know more about them, check out their website and post some questions there or find a chapter in the area where you live. I am sure they would be more than happy to give you some information.

A Phinatic when you say you were given an invitation to join AKA but you were not ready at that time. I DON'T THINK SO. In order to recieve an invitation to join AKA you must attend an official interest meeting which is open to ANY qualified applicant (out of courtesy) who in attending shows that THEY have an interest in AKA. That's what you are refering to right? If you had recieved an invitation to join AKA (and you did not) then you would have gone thru this initial process prior to that (and done much more) with the hopes of being selected to go on line. And maybe then they would have gotten back with you if they were interested. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. We do not give out bids or verbal invitations and We Don't Recruit. I KNOW AKA DID NOT INVITE YOU TO JOIN. For the record. Let no one be decieved. THIS IS FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY.

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Pink Bunny,

I think that I was misunderstood when I said I recieved an invitation, please let me clarify. YOUR chapter may not recruit and the organization as a WHOLE may mandate that you do not recruit, however, where I went to school, they DID recruit. Just not formally.

AKA wasn't (and still isn't) chartered on our campus, this left them open to do whatever they wanted and freed from following the regulations of the PHC and campus rules regarding rush and its publicity. They did not post any information regarding their informational meetings. The only way one would even know about the informational meeting was if they were invited or told by an exisiting AKA member.

In that respect, I was invited because they did not tell every woman that met the basic requirements about their meetings. I did not mean that I received a "bid" of sorts... especially since your entire process of member selection is different. I would never try to act like I got a "bid" (I don't know what else to call it) from your sorority and act like I didn't want it, like the sorority or whatever. To do so would be phony and completely undermine my loyalty to my sisters, something which I would not do. The last thing I am trying to do is "decieve" people. I am sorry if it came off that way.

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A Phinatic Thank You for your response. Take
Care.

um...really, okay. take a breather, everyone. who cares about what you are talking about. about stereotypes: look, if i am supposed to ghetto, or whatever, so be it. about recruitment: i was told by many-a-aka that pink would look great on my skin and with my beatuiful hazel eyes. but, that is with every color. my point is that my sorority, the illustrious DELTA SIGMA THETA does not concern itself with such idiotic sentiments. when it is all said and done, GOD will not take into account which stereotype you fell into or out of. give me a break. stereotypes are nothing but ignorant persons' ways to uplift their self-conscious souls. hail to my 22 founders!

Dominion, it seems you are contributing to the stereotype myth. If the incident you stated did indeed happen, then why do you assume all members of my sorority think the same way? If you are a member of DST, then I'm sure you are aware of some of the less than flattering things people have to say about your sorority. If people insist on judging a group by the actions of one or a few, then stereotypes will always be with us. And by your statement, you are part of the problem not the solution.

Hello 33 girl! I am a former greek and yes I am now anti-greek, because they are antichrist. When I became a Christian, I knew being greek was not in the will of God. My book proves that and more. Reading the rituals and history say alot about these groups. If they are so great, why do they practice secrecy(occult/cult). They are just like cults in their structure and doctrine. I have the proof.

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Fred, Fred, Fred.

I visited your website which consisted of a broken link and a link to this page. I would like to know why you say Greeks present themselves as Christian organizations. You show no evidence of this and mention no names or organizations.

If you're going to make accusations, at least come up with something semi-plausible to hang them on.

My sisters have been the angels of my life in every crisis I've had for the past 15 years. If that isn't a gift of God I don't know what is.

Dominion i know it is fustrating to have people throw you and your sorority into a negative pool of stereotypes. I don't know who first started perpetuating these stereotypes about our sororities, but i know that they have stuck like glue. We all know that each organization has a VARIETY of women, all shades, shapes, sizes and attitudes. People have told me that because i'm a darker sister that i should pledge Delta. Others say due to my femininity that i should pledge AKA. And unfortunately many members of our sororities choose to continue to perpetuate those stereotypes. People love to mistake Confidence for Concieted thus AKA's are branded Stuck Up. Which is not fair. However i know some of my Sorors are Concieted, I won't lie. And I know some Delta's that are ghetto and some that are very Classy. People are going to think what they want about Greeks and all we can do about it is set an individual example and work hard to improve our organizations. So for me i am proud to be an AKA Woman and I refuse to walk around this earth with my head hanging dn just so people won't call me Stuck Up. I will walk with my head high looking straight ahead and when i see my Pretty Sorors i will throw up my Pinky with Pride and give a big SKEEEEEEEEWEEEEEEEEEE...

Pink Bunny,

I couldn't agree with you more. SkeeWee, Soror!

Fred being greek is not anti-chrisitianity. You are making judgements about thousands of men and women that you don't know. It is too bad that your greek experience was not encouraging to you but it does not give you the right to make judgment on others. As it is you have broken your pledge to your organization so perhaps you should instead focus on why and what in your character caused you to join an organization that you would fail to stay committed to. And since you are so anti-greek please do all of us Greeks a favor and find some other breeding ground for your hatred.

Fred,
Since you post on this site, I thought that you were pro-greek, not anti-greek. It wasn't until much later on I realized how wrong I was. I just don't understand why people like you waste your time posting on this site. Get a life!

AKAtude and Pink Bunny, I am in total agreement with both of you.. Mr. Hatchett, has too much time and too much hatred in him.. If he's such a Christian, why is he being so rude and showing so much hatred. That's ridiculous... Yes, there are stereotypes of all Sororities and again, there are many different types of women in each organization and we all chose to join one of them for our own reasons.. I love my Pink and Green and I will always raise my pinky http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif.. I joined this sorority for a variety of reasons and looked at the organization as a whole, not a few who I may have thought were stuck up or whatever.. However, they are still my Sorors and I will continue to represent my Sorority to the fullest and with confidence..... as should any one who is in a sorority...

Pink and Green Love
Lil'Bit

Fred...

I am a greek and a very devoted Christian...i attend church every Sunday. I do not in any way worship my sisters, founders, greek letters or symbols...in fact we even pray at meetings sometimes...and it is a social sorority not a religious one. My sisters are all women well aware of their spirituality and it just so happens that we are all Christian. I am sure I speak for everyone when I say that greek rituals are in no way cult-like, they are simply used as a form of bonding between sisters and brothers...not a means of worship. Yes...I am a greek, but I have never denied my religious faith for the organization. And please if you don't like greeks...don't visit our website, as we have no interest in visiting yours.

Let's ignore Fred since he seems to ignore our wishes that he stop posting where he is not welcome. He thinks he is so righteous but he is bugging everybody.

God says to love that which is good, and to abhor(hate) that which is evil. So if I'm full of hatred, so be it. I never said I hated the actual person. I hate abortion, but love the sinner. You can go to church all you want. It doesn't mean you are saved. The names of the GLO's that I have used in my book are Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Omega Psi Phi, Tau Kappa Epsilon, Alpha Delta PI, and others. I will post a reply whenever I choose to do so. I can plant seeds, or maybe even water some. Thank you for telling me about the broken link, I found it and fixed it. There was nothing wrong with my greek experience until I started reading the Bible and received a revelation from the Holy Ghost. Like I said! Supply the ritual. If you say there's nothing wrong, let me read it. Send me a copy. My address is on my website.

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The first bit of information I received when pledging is that all greek organizations are different at each school. Sure, there are sterotypes, but they are probably not consistent everywhere. Just see where you feel comfortable. Good luck http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I would like to send a shout out to my beautiful sorors of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. Stereotypes are only used to bring people down. I am always joking with my boyfriend (an Alpha) about stereotypes. Because of stereotypes many people ask me if I am an AKA(not on my campus). But on our campus Delta shines above the rest. Chapter of the year, highest GPA, beautiful women (whether you like dark, light, brown, big, think, small, long hair or short you will find it in our chapters and even in our lines. All we look for are good Christian women who are about business and public service (and alot of it).

That also goes to show how different each chapter can be. On my undergrad chapter, it is the AKA chapter that "shines" on campus taking top honors at the Greek Awards every year in categories such highest GPA and community service. This includes all GLOs, both black and white.

Well, that just goes to show you how different schools are. If depends on the region, and the kinds of girls you get into your chapter...People try to make generalizations and with most of my sorors it just doesn't work. People try to say light girls want to be AKA's but half of every line at my school is interracial. The president of our PHC last year was one of my sorors and she had a 4.0, I have a 3.6 and my other soror has a 3.8 and is going to Georgetown Law School in the fall. Stereotypes don't work. What works with one campus may not work or be the norm with the other...I am a witness to that.

Is there an echo in the room?

To Those of you who condemn greeks as occult organizations. The fact that we choose to adhere to a code of conduct that is a part of the organizations which we are members of does not make us evil. It simply means that we choose to hold ourselves to a set of principles which we perceive to be proper and beneficial to our lives. How that choice can be viewed as evil or dangerous is beyond me. I have been a member of a fraternity for many years and at no time have I witnessed a situation in which a persons faith, whatever it may be, has ever been challenged.

I've read many of the replies sent by members of various organizations and none of them highlight the positive aspects of sororities. Whether you are a member of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority Inc., Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Inc., Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc., or Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc., the purposes of these organizations are the uplifting of ones community, scholarship and sisterhood. Instead of highlighting the stereotypes that surround each organization you should be embracing and promoting the positive work that each one does for her community. To each is own. Every organization has something unique about them. That is why each organization attracts certain types of people but for one to say that this person belongs to a certain organization because she acts a certain way you're wrong. Organizations don't make the person, the person makes the organization.

Fred:
I want to comment on your "cult" message. A cult is simply a New Religious Movement ocurring in the last 150 years. There are satanic and non-satanic cults. The Church of Latter Day Saints is considered a NRM because it follows the description: a founder, a leader that inspires and a doctrine the REPLACES the bible. My sorority (Phi Sigma Sigma) does follow the teachings of Christ and incorporates pray in our ceremony. I do agree with you in that just because you go to church does not mean you are saved. I can honestly say I am save as are most of the women in my sorority. Fraternities and sororities are not cults unless their doctrines replace the bible in some way.

I agree about the stero types. When I crossed the burning sands in 1996, some peopl said that I should have went Zeta because I am a big girl, but my attitude says that I should be an AKA, because some say that I feel that I am very pretty, but should all women have that feeling about themselves. I am proud to be a member of my sorority, Delta Sigma Theta. All sororities are not the same. But the different variety of people is what makes a sorority what it is. I have many friends in all of the perspective sororities and I have met some snobby, some ghetto and no class. But God made us all different and we as a people need to do away with the stereotypes.

OO-OOP to all of my Sorors!!!!!

testing!

I think this discussion is very interesting. The Organization of Black Students (OBS) is doing a program om my campus concerning stereotypes. Our AKAs also did one. It was very productive and informative. As the President of my chapter of Sigma Gamma Rho, I teake much pride in who I am; therefore, I woudl not join in organization that woudl demean MY character.

It is sad to say that yes, some of the stereotypes may have been true way back when, but as for now ALL AKAs are not lighter than a brown paper back, ALL Deltas are not ghetto, ALL Zetas are not ruthless, and neither are all Sigmas ugly nor enjoy partying more than achieving and maintaining a good academic record.

I don't know why peoepl even buy into these stereotypes. Isn't it apparent that in this world there are no certain rules nor any set standards. Look at my chapter for instance, no one would have guessed that you would have a "should have been" AKA (according to the stereotypes) 2 "should have been" Deltas, 3 "should have been" Zetas (myself included) and the others just happened to fall into the right category as a Sigma. I think this is sad.

It bothers me that when I say that I am in a sorority, everyone either says Delta or Zeta. When I ask them why, they say because you just "fit". Well, welcome to the real world, as a Sigma woman you are who you are. We do not change you nor mold you to be anything other than yourself. That is why we want you. Why would we want anyone that we can change or mold? (I pray that my other Greek sisters choose for that reason also.)

Because I "talk" to a Sigma man does not make me automatically his soror. Because I choose not to associate myself with a few Kappas, does not mean that I "should have been" anything else or that I do not love the bruhs!

Stereotypes will and have destroyed this world. Don't let it continue to destroy Greek love and life.

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I go to school on a small campus and the sterotyping is fierce. Im not in a soro, but because some of my guy friends are in Sigma, I get stuck with the "frat girl" label. The people I know in various soros and frats are all great people. I wish that by the time people got to college, they would learn to ignore the labels and look at the person- but I guess that is an age old problem there is no solution for.

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I felt like an archaeologist reading this post...so primitive!

That is the most awesome thing I've ever read. I am the antichrist! I mean, I'd always suspected, but now I know it's true!