So You Think You Can Dance: 2
 

I'm so in love with this show. Anyone else watching?

I'm watching. The first couple shows were the best but it will be nice to watch the people that can really dance.

Addicted.

Still wondering why "the prince of swing" can't just get a hook-up through his dad, since everyone knows him. But it's kinda like asking "well why didn't Paris go through her grandmother instead of going on AI?"

People are strange.

Some though are just stoooooopid.

A friend of my sister's was on last night at the Chicago auditions. His name is Duran. I think he was pretty good. He was invited to the chorography rounds...he was cut. :(

I can't believe that guy who fell in auditions did a flip and landed on his face tonight. What bad luck...

The one chick reminded me of Juliette Lewis...the crazy way she was dancing, the crazed look in her eye when she looked into the camera, and her crazy babbling about how she had to find herself because she felt all confused. I was confused. :confused:

They're meaner this season. I think Nigel is taking advice from Simon Cowell.

She was insane. I wouldn't even call what she was doing dancing. It was running around on stage throwing her arms around.

What about the chick in Chicago that threw up off the side of the stage? Classy! I would want that to be on national TV as my 15 seconds of fame.

That one Asian dude was ticking me off. Stop crying and being such a baby, it doesn't really go with your half mohawk/half cornrows hairdo.

It's a shame that southern blonde chick got injured, she looked pretty talented in the first rounds.

Seriously, I liked her.

But at least we know they're planning on another season after this one. :p

I think Nigel is throwing the "I'm the big bad producer" line around way too much. Who cares?

I'm still rooting for Benji... bad facial expressions and all. I have a special place in my heart for swing dancers... but am curious how he'll do with Shane Sparks. :D :p

While there were some obvious screw-ups tonight, as far as dancers go, not steps, I was very impressed with some people. Like way to go Benji for one!

I felt kind of bad for that hip hop girl dancer and the dude with the shaggy hair. I mean, yeah, their steps and lifts and turns were bad, but shit! What the hell is 80s disco? And giving them a Flashdance song? I'm calling FIX! It's like they had to have one couple that did horrible to make an obvious or shocking save/exit tonight, so it's like they picked out of a hat who would get the crappiest dance theme.

And I don't care what you say about Heidi and that other guy. Caribbean Blue is one of the only Enya songs I like and I thought they performed the part well. Regardless if they were out of step or not.

And both hip hop routines were hysterical.

I don't like the changes they have made this season. And I don't like the new host either.

Yeah, I don't like how you're stuck with one partner on one hand, and then on the other I think it's good b/c you can build a relationship and flourish within it.

I don't like the new host either. I don't remember the old one, but they were much better I'm sure.

I can't stand the fact that the public votes for the bottom 3 couples then the judges have to kick a male and female out based on that . The females last night did not deserve to go. THe way they did it last year was way better IMHO.

And why did they get rid of the 2 they did? The judges all said that was the best passe Doble (SP???) they have seen and they were suprised they were in the bottom 3 then they ax them? Makes no sense!!!

I thought that's how they got people out last year? And Erin wasn't good, her partner was. I had no problem with her going even though I liked her. And Ivan was trip, but he stood there half his performance. I think the judges chose well.

Who was everyone's favorites after tonight? I think Jessica and James really stepped it up tonight, their dance was really classy. I also liked Benji and Donyelle, but I don't think it was right for Nigel to bring up her weight...she didn't look that happy about it either.

I agree with Nigel, the crump/crunk (which one is it?) routine was a little slow compared to the people in Rize, but it was really entertaining and you could tell they were really into it.

Weight issues in the media...
 

I loved Donyelle and Benji also. However, the weight thing was bound to be brought up. Her dress looked like they took a regular short dress and added scraps of fabric to hide her legs. She danced beautifully and it is a great thing that she shows confidence with her weight, but even my sister and I were wondering if she was trying to hide herself. In our day and age, we truly need to stop advertising the size 0 actresses because it is only going to set our future daugthers up for trying to be that skinny whatever the cost is and having our sons believe that it is an unfavorable thing to be a thick woman. We have things that need to be resloved especially now that women such as Janet Jackson and Beyoncé think they need to lose even more weight to be seen by the public. Being voluptuous should not be seen as a crime. There are extremely beautiful women that are not even close to skinny i.e., Queen Latifah, Mo' nique and countless others. Even in the past women that were sought out and preferred by high class men were not the skinny women that exist now. Marylin Monroe was a size 14 and that is close to the average size that women wear now. There is a difference between being healthy and trying to be as skinny as possible and our society has crossed into the deadly border of wanting the extremely slim women even if the way they get to the weight is unhealthy for them.

I have NO idea how in the world I thought Ivan was cut last week over that foreign ballroom kid. I don't mean that rudely either, I just have NO clue what his name was...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the 1st guy who did the crump dancing. I can't remember his name, but he's a total fave of mine. Benji's also great.

Joy needs to go. I hope she doesn't get the votes just b/c she's cute. She was just totally awful to watch.

And I think Nigel brought up a good point, because so many dancers are stereotyped one way and asked to be that way. I mean it was a valid point, and he meant it nicely.

And I'm sure I'm going to get my head bitten off for saying this, so I apologize if I offend anyone now... a size 14 is the AVERAGE size of a woman, but that doesn't mean it's healthy. I'm by NO means saying I have anything against size 14 people either, I was a 12 for a few years myself, and even at 5'9" I was definitely not healthy like I am now. So I'm not saying you're fat at size 14, just not as healthy as you could be maybe...

I just don't think that Donyelle looks like she's that overweight, but I guess she's just bigger than all the rest of the girls on the show.

Joy and Dimitri are probably my least fave couple. Dimitri is really talented though, and Joy seems really sweet. I'm like Shane Sparks, I want to be nice to everyone!

Oh I totally agree. She's awesome. I LOVED LOVED LOVED her audition too.

I can't stand Joy. I just find her annoying. I hope she gets voted off. I don't think Donyelle is overweight in real life/real world, but there is a traditional image of dancers as tall, lean, thin, in shape, lithe, flexible, etc. and anyone who doesn't fit that image is going to have a harder time at auditions (though I didn't like how Nigel brought this topic up). The world of dancers is still like the world of models, the world of actresses, and the world of popstars. They are not representative of the average American woman. There may be some changes and some barriers being broken down, but when people hear the word dancer or model or actress or popstar, it still most often evokes the image of young, tall, thin, beautiful, feminine, leggy, busty, blonde, caucasian.

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm

Please don't think I'm trying to knock on you. A lot of people don't realize that Marilyn Monroe was NOT a size 14 or 16. It's a myth that keeps being perpetuated.

I'm absolutely addicted to this show! Thank God for DVR.

Donyalle (?sp) and Benji are my favorites! Especially after last week's hip hop performance. I cringed when Nigel brought up D's weight. I mean, if her weight was not an issue and she's a good dancer, why did he have to bring it up? The girl ain't even that big.

My next top fave was the crumpers.

I hope Dmitri does not get the boot today..he's adorable!

umm... ok
 

So technically that article proves my point though because they state she was a size 12 by our standards now, however, most women back then did not wear a size that would be as tight fitting as we do these days. Also, they stated that her weight varied according to her dieting patterns so technically on average although she may have been a 12 according to her measurements, she may have gone up a size seeing as the difference between a 12 and a 14 technically is only one size or she may have fit a size 14 better. So theoretically seeing as they state they do not have an actual account of what exact size she liked to wear and she was that close to a 14, they should state their spectulations as they have a right to do, but should not criticize people who believe she may have been a size 14 or even 16 (as they also in the article stated that the standards for clothing sizes have changed), especially when stations like MTV that did a segment on it promoted her as being that size (it was the clip when they were talking about her singing happy birthday to the president...). Also, as they state in British sizes today she would still be a 16. So really it doesn't matter... it still proves my point... she was of one of the sizes that today's world (in comparison to the size 0 women) would consider okay but still on the larger side especially at 5'5.5".

As a large-chested dancer in NYC, I can say "busty" is NOT a word you associate with dancers!!!! ;) Actually, most dancers aren't tall either. At 5'7" I was always on the very tall side of any audition I was at. The only time I saw other busty and tall women was at the Rockettes audition - minimum height is 5'6" for them.

All that said, weight is an issue in the dance world, but more and more it's becoming an issue in only the ballet companies. Even there I've seen some girls with chests big enough to be noticed from the balcony - though they are usually in the corps. Yes woman are usually on the thin side, but for modern companies I have seen plenty of women who are size 8s or 10s. There are even a few notable dancers here who are quite large for what most consider "ideal" for a dancer. Case in point, Alexandra Beller who was the rehearsal director for a company I did a few performance with. She's an amazing mover.
http://www.alexandrabellerdances.org/about/

http://www.alexandrabellerdances.org...abeller010.jpg

I wasn't trying to be snotty to you (as I specifically said) so no need for the "um....ok". I'm not the only person on here to have made the point about Marilyn Monroe. You can check through the threads. There are plenty of articles out there that talk about Marilyn Monroe not being a 14 or 16. But, you seem to have your sources too so that's fine. Just no need to be rude about.

Marilyn Monroe was fat and not hot. Broads of today are way hotter than her

Ok, let me kinda edit what i was saying. Busty is probably applied to the other industries (music, acting, modeling) rather than dancing. But for the rest of what I said, what I meant was that when the average American (who probably doesn't know much about dance), hears the words professional dancer, the first image that pops into their head is probably that of a stereotypical ballerina (very long, thin, lean, lithe body).

West Coasters - Don't read until Results Show!
 

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Not that sad to see Joy go, I thought it was a toss up between her and Alexandra though. Alex looked like she was going to cry the whole night. Jeez, try to put a smile on your face! Heidi was awesome, I think she really proved to the judges that she wanted to stay.

I thought Ryan was going to go instead of Jason, but I have to say Jason's solo was a little sloppy. Ryan showed a lot of control.

No need to edit - I totally understood what you were saying.

As the resident GC dancer I was just trying to inform the lay people! :cool: ;)

My random thoughts about tonight:
Why do the judges think Ivan is so great?
Natalie is annoying how she practically molests Musa when they are giving out the phone number to call.
Benji would be a great Broadway dancer.
I think Alison is going to win the whole competition.

Yeah, I don't get Natalie and Musa... she's playing into the sex appeal too much, and not enough talent (compared to the others for me). Musa's awesome at what he does, but it's safe to say he's no where close to being the strongest male.

Ryan is boring. His personality, everything. Boring. Boring. Boring.

I've yet to really appreciate Allison. I have nothing bad to say about her, I just don't appreciate her.

Ivan's totally impressed me as well. He's still not the strongest male to me, that's Travis or Benji, but he's come so far and think that's what impressive. And like Bryan said tonight- he pointed his toes and totally rocked the comtemporary dancer part. I was very impressed.

Benji and Donyelle do it for me though. I thought it was going to be Travis and his partner when the show first started, but Benji and Donyelle are just what Nigel (is that his name?) said- the real deal, the total package. I will be sad to see someone else win. Maybe Allison, but she'll need a new partner to start to amaze me in order to win.

And they probably do want a girl to win this season if they can help it, since a guy won the last...

Dimitri needs to go... he just annoys the hell out of me. He's a terrible partner and seems like he's a pain in the ass to work with. He looked like an idiot last night dancing, he just couldn't pull it off. He's good at his own style, but hasn't been convincing in other genres.

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I can't believe they got rid of Musa rather than Dimitri.

He's the only one I couldn't stand. I used to not be able to stand Heidi, but she's kinda grown on me. I pretty much really, really liked everyone except Dimitri, Ashley, Ryan, and Heidi.

Dimitri knows he gets a lot of extra credit because of his looks, but I think his personality has shown through and made him a lot less attractive to people.

I feel the same way about Heidi! She kind of annoyed me for awhile, especially the faces she makes. But she's a great dancer. I like her better with her hair straight.

I LOVE Martha, though I do agree with the judges and it seems as if some of the sparkle is gone. I have a feeling that they are ALL exhausted and beat up, physically and mentally. It's not going to get any easier, either, with two partner routines and a solo next week.

I wanted Ashlee to go for the girls, I think that she was just outclassed. I do give HUGE props to people who aren't "classically" trained- like poppers, etc. They have to learn all of these things where basic technical things are so important, but so ingrained in trained dancers. I have taken one dance class in my entire life (I really wish my parents would have put me in dance when I was younger, but they never did), and I can't imagine doing what they do. But when it comes down to it, a popper is NOT going to win this contest. I don't think Las Vegas shows are heavy on popping. But this can be a great springboard to a future career elsewhere, choreographing music videos and such.

Cat Deeley annoys the hell out of me. Where do they find these people to host? And why the crappy British accent?

Seriously! I don't remember WHO hosted last year, but I know I liked them a lot more. They need to get rid of her before next season. PLEASE.

Travis was beyond amazing in his solo tonight. I LOVED it!!:D

you all should pat yourselves on the back -you mentioned natalies sex emphasis a while ago and then that is what nigel pointed out to her last night.i told my daughter-"the gcers spotted that before nigel mentioned it!!" you go girls!!

Man, I hate Natalie! I know Alison is only 18, but I seriously think she was a better all around dancer. And I just don't get the obsession with Donyelle either. She's good yeah, but Alison and Heidi are more adaptabe I think.

As far as the guys go, I think all the 13 year olds in the world are voting for Ivan, when Benji and Travis have better technique and more professional performance styles.