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DoggyStyle82 05-29-2006 10:32 AM

"Blackest" Names
 
From an email I received.


These names more than others denotes the ethnicty of their beares as being almost exclusively African American
The following is the list of the blackest names. Research suggests that kids with these names have limited opportunities based on name recognition. http://www.slate.com/id/2116449



The 20 Blackest Boy Names

1. DeShawn
2. DeAndre
3. Marquis
4. Darnell
5. Terrell
6. Malik
7. Trevon
8. Tyrone
9. Willie
10. Dominique
11. Demetrius
12. Reginald
13. Jamal
14. Maurice
15. Jalen
16. Darius
17. Xavier
18. Terrance
19. Andre
20. Darryl

The 20 Blackest Girl Names

1. Imani
2. Ebony
3. Shanice
4. Aaliyah
5. Precious
6. Nia
7. Deja
8. Diamond
9. Asia
10. Aliyah
11. Jada
12. Tierra
13. Tiara
14. Kiara
15. Jazmine
16. Jasmin
17. Jazmin
18. Jasmine
19. Alexus
20. Raven

CrimsonTide4 05-29-2006 10:35 AM

Yesterday while at Carowinds, a mother summoned her daughter. Daughter's name? Beyonce.:o I started choking on my funnel cake.:eek: :(

The girl who made my funnel cake's name? Lyric:eek: :o :(

DoggyStyle82 05-29-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Yesterday while at Carowinds, a mother summoned her daughter. Daughter's name? Beyonce.:o I started choking on my funnel cake.:eek: :(

The girl who made my funnel cake's name? Lyric:eek: :o :(

The accompaning article was very informative about the socio-economics of why and how people are named.

Our people, you just have to laugh sometimes

Wolfman 05-29-2006 03:03 PM

Interesting! I knew of a black woman in my town who named her son Efram Zimbalist after the star of the old TV show the FBI from back in the day!:)

(The author of the article wrote the book Freakonomics, which is very eye opening. There is a chapter in this book entitled:'Why do drug dealers live in their mother's house' or to that effect. It is an economic and sociological examination of this question in view of the rise of the crack cocaine trade as a business in our communities.)

Taualumna 05-29-2006 03:56 PM

The two Jasmines I know are not black. One girl is Chinese and the other is Indian (as in from India).

MeezDiscreet 05-29-2006 04:26 PM

we have a Kiara and a Tierra who are students where I work and both of them are Hispanic.

:o

AlphaFrog 05-29-2006 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MeezDiscreet
we have a Kiara and a Tierra who are students where I work and both of them are Hispanic.

:o

Tierra is a Hispanic name that means "Earth". I've never met a black Tierra.

CrimsonTide4 05-29-2006 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Tierra is a Hispanic name that means "Earth". I've never met a black Tierra.
I know several Tierras/Tiarra/Teiarra/Tiaras who are Black.

lilbay77 05-29-2006 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I know several Tierras/Tiarra/Teiarra/Tiaras who are Black.
Ditto.

BlueWinter 05-29-2006 09:36 PM

For once, I am glad Keisha and its various forms is not on the list.

BTW my Keisha is spelled the Italian way (sort of) Kaisha.

The italians spell it Kaisa.:D ;) :D

AlphaFrog 05-30-2006 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I know several Tierras/Tiarra/Teiarra/Tiaras who are Black.
I don't doubt that there are many. Like I said, I've personally never met one. The thing that had me :confused: was putting on a list of names that "Almost Exclusively AA".

CrimsonTide4 05-30-2006 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I don't doubt that there are many. Like I said, I've personally never met one. The thing that had me :confused: was putting on a list of names that "Almost Exclusively AA".
I don't think it states that but for me and many of my Black counterparts, when we hear the name "Deshawn" for example, we typically can picture another Black person. When we hear the name "Tasha" our expectation is that we will see a Black female. The same with Jasmine even though I had a Hispanic student named Jasmine a few years ago, or was she a college classmate? I forget. Or maybe it was both.

We know that these names are not EXCLUSIVELY Black names, but there is a predominance that the names listed above and a few others are typically Black names.

Wolfman 05-30-2006 05:06 PM

Some of the names listed as "black" names are actually derived from other languages such as Arabic (eg, Jasmine), other African languages,etc. The real issue here is predominance of usage and the particular patterns of usage that make this an ethnic/racial issue. This is an issue of stigmatiziation piggybacking on certain sterotypes, which do have some reality according to socioeconomc and ethnic indicators.

mulattogyrl 05-30-2006 07:03 PM

Re: "Blackest" Names
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
1. Imani

LMAO!! This is my daughter's name.

Mind you, I named her after my mother. Who was white. :eek:

CrimsonTide4 05-30-2006 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BetaRose
I was surprised to see some of the names on this list, like Maurice (I've never met a black Maurice, but I know a few middle aged white men white that name)

But then I read the Slate article that the lists came from. Turns out these lists are based only on babies born in California after 1961. That doesn't seem like a very representative sample of what the rest of the country is naming their children. I would be interested to see a list that uses a nationwide dataset to see what names are on it.

I know several Black Maurices. Born after 1961 outside of California.

From the point of view of many Blacks, we know someone with the names mentioned in the original post and by and large, the people we know with those names are people who are Black.

icebrAKA 05-30-2006 11:06 PM

Under the top 20 guys names hey forgot: Jermaine and Jerome

MsSweetness 05-31-2006 01:48 AM

From the article:

"What kind of parent is most likely to give a child such a distinctively black name? The data offer a clear answer: an unmarried, low-income, undereducated, teenage mother from a black neighborhood who has a distinctively black name herself. Giving a child a super-black name would seem to be a black parent's signal of solidarity with her community—the flip side of the "acting white" phenomenon. "

Does anyone agree with this? At one of my previous jobs, I dealt with A LOT of low income AA's and Latina's. To me, this statement is about 99.9% true. I certainly don't think these names are out of the ordinary, b/c I'm sure I know someone with every name on the lists. I just don't understand why it gets out of hand, like making up names that are impossible for others to pronounce (even though I know it's not about everyone else). Sometimes I would have to spell the child's name out b/c I didn't want to mispronounce it. A lot of kids were named after liquor and cars was common. One lady, I will never forget this, had daughters named Alize and Remy. :o

Private I 05-31-2006 04:29 AM

I think all of it rings true except Xavier. I've met way more Hispanic Xaviers than AA ones.

CrimsonTide4 05-31-2006 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MsSweetness
From the article:

"What kind of parent is most likely to give a child such a distinctively black name? The data offer a clear answer: an unmarried, low-income, undereducated, teenage mother from a black neighborhood who has a distinctively black name herself. Giving a child a super-black name would seem to be a black parent's signal of solidarity with her community—the flip side of the "acting white" phenomenon. "

Does anyone agree with this? At one of my previous jobs, I dealt with A LOT of low income AA's and Latina's. To me, this statement is about 99.9% true. I certainly don't think these names are out of the ordinary, b/c I'm sure I know someone with every name on the lists. I just don't understand why it gets out of hand, like making up names that are impossible for others to pronounce (even though I know it's not about everyone else). Sometimes I would have to spell the child's name out b/c I didn't want to mispronounce it. A lot of kids were named after liquor and cars was common. One lady, I will never forget this, had daughters named Alize and Remy. :o

In one of my previous roles at my company, I saw an application for twins named Praise and Blessings. That is all.

A lot of factors go into naming children -- being different/unique, being EXTRA, in addition to ones mentioned above.

I think what some might be overlooking is not that these names are not found with Caucasians or Latinos or Asians, i.e. Jasmine, Xavier, etc., but within the Black community, a lot of these names predominate and/or are common.

AlphaFrog 05-31-2006 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Private I
I think all of it rings true except Xavier. I've met way more Hispanic Xaviers than AA ones.
Yes, but they were probably Javier, instead of Xavier, but it's pronounced the same.

mulattogyrl 05-31-2006 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MsSweetness
From the article:

"What kind of parent is most likely to give a child such a distinctively black name? The data offer a clear answer: an unmarried, low-income, undereducated, teenage mother from a black neighborhood who has a distinctively black name herself. Giving a child a super-black name would seem to be a black parent's signal of solidarity with her community—the flip side of the "acting white" phenomenon. "

While I agree that inner city African Americans often give their children 'unique' names, I don't agree with the reasoning here. I think it's more what we think sounds attractive, or religious reasons, and yes I'm saying we because my name is Malika and my daughter's name is Imani, I guess 'black' names. Like I said, my mother was white, so we really don't fit in this example. I also wasn't a teenage mother nor am I undereducated. So I don't know, I would like to see the 'data' that this person is referring to.

Honeykiss1974 05-31-2006 02:00 PM

My, I didn't know Xavier (pronounced like Savior, not Jah-ve-air) was considered a "black" name. :confused:

MeezDiscreet 05-31-2006 07:08 PM

it's pronounced "Savior?" hunh, didn't know that. i just spend an entire school year calling this boy X-avier...

kddani 05-31-2006 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MeezDiscreet
it's pronounced "Savior?" hunh, didn't know that. i just spend an entire school year calling this boy X-avier...
that's how they pronounce it in X-men!

mulattogyrl 05-31-2006 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MeezDiscreet
it's pronounced "Savior?" hunh, didn't know that. i just spend an entire school year calling this boy X-avier...
I always thought it was X-avier too. Oh well.

Dionysus 05-31-2006 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
While I agree that inner city African Americans often give their children 'unique' names, I don't agree with the reasoning here. I think it's more what we think sounds attractive, or religious reasons, and yes I'm saying we because my name is Malika and my daughter's name is Imani, I guess 'black' names. Like I said, my mother was white, so we really don't fit in this example. I also wasn't a teenage mother nor am I undereducated. So I don't know, I would like to see the 'data' that this person is referring to.
Naming your child Imani is one thing. Naming your child Tae Kwon Da is another. :)

BlueWinter 05-31-2006 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dionysus
Naming your child Imani is one thing. Naming your child Tae Kwon Da is another. :)
Amen on that!

Peaches-n-Cream 05-31-2006 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
I always thought it was X-avier too. Oh well.
I pronounce it Zavier, as in xylophone as opposed to x-ray.

I think that Imani is a pretty name. :)

Honeykiss1974 06-01-2006 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
I pronounce it Zavier, as in xylophone as opposed to x-ray.

I think that Imani is a pretty name. :)

Thanks PnC. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how to spell the pronouciation, and "Savior" was all that would come to mind. LOL

AlphaFrog 06-01-2006 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
While I agree that inner city African Americans often give their children 'unique' names, I don't agree with the reasoning here. I think it's more what we think sounds attractive, or religious reasons, and yes I'm saying we because my name is Malika and my daughter's name is Imani, I guess 'black' names. Like I said, my mother was white, so we really don't fit in this example. I also wasn't a teenage mother nor am I undereducated. So I don't know, I would like to see the 'data' that this person is referring to.
I think "Imani" means "peace" doesn't it?? What language is it?? I love that name.

CrimsonTide4 06-01-2006 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I think "Imani" means "peace" doesn't it?? What language is it?? I love that name.
Imani is Swahili for faith.:)

AlphaFrog 06-01-2006 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Imani is Swahili for faith.:)
I knew I remembered that word being in a song we sung in highschool. (My HS music director loved singing in Swahili and other unique languages:) )

carnation 06-01-2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MsSweetness
From the article:

"What kind of parent is most likely to give a child such a distinctively black name? The data offer a clear answer: an unmarried, low-income, undereducated, teenage mother from a black neighborhood who has a distinctively black name herself. Giving a child a super-black name would seem to be a black parent's signal of solidarity with her community—the flip side of the "acting white" phenomenon. "

I see a lot of this. My kids go to a large high school that's 55% black, 40% white, and the rest Hispanic and Asian. So far, seven of my children have attended that school and although there have been many black students who got top honors, not one of those in the past 7 years has had an exotic name. They all had names like Whitney, Ashley, Morgan, and Taylor.

Most of the black students do have exotic names, though, and most live in the projects or nearby.

mulattogyrl 06-01-2006 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dionysus
Naming your child Imani is one thing. Naming your child Tae Kwon Da is another. :)
Dammit LMAO

MsSweetness 06-01-2006 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Imani is Swahili for faith.:)
My name is Swahili too! :D

enigma_AKA 06-01-2006 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dionysus
Naming your child Imani is one thing. Naming your child Tae Kwon Da is another. :)
Damn--LOL. I don't get this list, though. It kind of sucks.

enigma_AKA

ZetaStorm 06-05-2006 02:30 AM

I have mixed feelings about this list. I remember the same argument being made years ago that if your name sounds black on your resume it could cost you the job, etc. Like they can't deny you the job during the interview. :confused:

I think that if anything this list and the fact that someone needed to compile it highlights that racism still exists in this country. What I gather is that they (the powers that be) don't care if your name is made up or actually has meaning. To them there really isn't a difference between Imani and Tae Kwon Da. If it doesn't sound European then your azz is grass.

We all know that Oprah & Condelezza certainly aren't European sounding names. So that's why I don't lose any sleep over these people and their so called lists.

Wolfman 06-05-2006 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZetaStorm
I have mixed feelings about this list. I remember the same argument being made years ago that if your name sounds black on your resume it could cost you the job, etc. Like they can't deny you the job during the interview. :confused:

I think that if anything this list and the fact that someone needed to compile it highlights that racism still exists in this country. What I gather is that they (the powers that be) don't care if your name is made up or actually has meaning. To them there really isn't a difference between Imani and Tae Kwon Da. If it doesn't sound European then your azz is grass.

We all know that Oprah & Condelezza certainly aren't European sounding names. So that's why I don't lose any sleep over these people and their so called lists.

Yes, you are right in what you assert: the real issue is stereotyping and racism. This phenomenon has a long history in the US: at one time many Jews changed their names to a more "Wasp-sounding" name in public life to ward this off.

But there a another issue here,too:why the preponderance of these so-called black names in a certain socio-economic strata of black society, and what does mean? And what are the linkages between this phenomenon and certain social outcomes? These are legitimate questions.

nonchalant 06-06-2006 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Yes, but they were probably Javier, instead of Xavier, but it's pronounced the same.


Hot damn!! Learn something new everyday. I've never heard them pronounced the same. All the AA Xavier's I know pronounced their names X-Za-V-Er. All the Javier's I know are Hispanic and pronounce it Ha-V-Air. Go figure.

AlphaFrog 06-07-2006 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nonchalant
Hot damn!! Learn something new everyday. I've never heard them pronounced the same. All the AA Xavier's I know pronounced their names X-Za-V-Er. All the Javier's I know are Hispanic and pronounce it Ha-V-Air. Go figure.
I guess I should have specified and said that in Spanish, they are pronounced the same. The X and the J have similar sounds. It's like when a Mexican says they are from Mexico, they say it Me-He-Co.


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