Kross Kolor Disses
 

I was thinking after I posted on marquise 1911's thread about these shirts. I had a question to all my greeks, but especially my NUPEs. What is the deal with people and these diss shirts? A few examples are......

1. The lame NOPE shirts

2. People putting there letters in different orgs colors
(i.e. A Zeta walks around with a pink and green shirt that says Z phi B, and on the back, we look good in any color)

Ya'll, this has to stop. It's ugly, and on top of that u disrespect yourself and your letters.

Re: Kross Kolor Disses
 

I agree. I think it is a mess. Just like the step show/coming-out show disses. I think that people are concerned with the wrong thing. I'm glad to know that when you go out to purchase 'nalia for your organization that you are really thinking deeply about AKA. :rolleyes: Trust and believe, AKA is not thinking about you. People who do that are what's really wack right now.

Right on Bruh. If they hate then let them hate. I just think it's lame that it has to get printed on t-shirts and that's what my beef is...

So, question, not to veer the topic. So, people think that it is lame to put it on shirts, but it is ok to use your coming out show, when you have your prime time audience to mention the recent beef? That confuses me, what is the difference? Both methods require effort/energy. Where is the line? It's like folks are saying

"It is lame NOT to address people who've dissed you"

"It is lame to print t-shirts"

"It is lame to mention it at your coming out show"

Whats up with that? Marquise asked the question in the other thread...where is the line?

I was just thinking about this re: "fake rape" vs. "mother/father t-shirts." :( Unfortunate.

to me it is more disturbing b/c it says to me a few things:

we have immature, wannabes joining or we have immature wannabes teaching the neos and they don't fully believe in/understand their orgs principles.

many of the people that join lack the creativity to make their orgs look better without having to down others.

Re: Kross Kolor Disses
 

I agree. I think this younger group has lost focus on what our orgs were founded for. When I first crossed, all I saw was Delta. Why the hayle would I want to put someone else's colors on or diss someone else? I love mine too much to down someone else's. I just don't get it.

Re: Re: Kross Kolor Disses
 

Co- to-the-sign (with AKA in place of "Delta" :D )

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Ditto.

enigma_AKA

The "new" group...
I have seen over the years how the students in HS behave and how their character/integrity almost ceases to exist. These students go on to matriculate on college campuses and eventually join our orgs with the same issues, plus more. :(

Having to work with HSers EVERYDAY AND deal with UGs IS TOO MUCH! It's like it's one in the same. That's why my days of dealing with the UGs are OVA! I'm too old for it. It's a new day and I don't like some things that go on, nor do I like the lack of integrity/character of some individuals. I've witnessed the dissing.. A few of us wanted to take it back a few years, but realized we had to serve as models to our UGs who had a diss free show. :D ;)

I'm not going to have a coronary b/c of someone's daughter or son...Soror, Frat,Delta, Zeta, SigmaGammaRho, Kappa, DeltaZeta, HaterPhiOrg or GDI.



On that note...what do the graduate advisors say about all of this "beefing" and the criss crossing of colors? Is that another thread? :confused:

Maybe, but I will answer.


As a former grad advisor, sometimes it is hard to police *everything* the UGs do. I tried and it only caused stress and tension between me and 'my girls'.

They thought they should do what they wanted and how they wanted because they were ~grown~ :rolleyes: . We had many a tense meeting with me trying to explain and educate them on what to do and what not to do with respect to SGR. Basically, I told them if they are in letters, then they *must* represent the sorority well. If they are out and not wearing letters / representing the sorority, then do whatever.

I know, I know....as a member one is always repping the org, but I had to find a compromise. I got to the point where I realized that if their parents aren't going to do anything, then they are certainly not going to listen to me. I think that is the key to a successful UG chapter - parental involvement. On a side-side note, if I had to do it all over again I would have made an effort to contact the parents and get them involved.

But, back on topic.....

As far as the dissing goes, it needs to stop. It's low class. By right, an advisor should preview and approve or disapprove any public act that the UG chapter will present.

As far as the colors go, I'll tolerate it, but not do it myself. To me it just looks weird to see one orgs letters in another orgs colors. Again, these UGs are usually ~ 18 so you really can't make them do anything, but just hope that they understand and practice the training you give.

I came in this thread confused like nobody's business. The fake rape, the dissing/fighting in shows and now these cross color shirts.....a hot mess, just a hot mess.

Ditto SKEEphistAKAte & Mulattogyrl....Same here. When I crossed Zeta was my only concern. That is just out and out disrespectful to wear another orgs. colors like that. Really no one should have to tell you that. And a 'NOPE' shirt? No wonder orgs are fighting.

I really do not understand the need to take it there.

I hear everyone, and I agree. But to the Kappas that have posted, don't think your frat haven't done their fair share of dissing, too. When that "Nope" shirt was initially done it was stated on another MB a while ago that it was in retaliation for something the Kappas had done to the Sigmas on that yard.

So bottom line, lame begets lame, and we ALL need to stop.

BTW, those xyz look good in any color first came out 30 years ago and EVERY sorority thought they were cute, bought them and wore them like wildfire (yes, I even had one in pink and green,) until our respective HQs sent the message that we should not disrespect out sistergreeks like that. Between that and maturity (which I think AKA2d referred to), folx stopped buying them. So I was surprised to see them resurface.

Also back then there didn't seem to be this hardcore issue of when and where to wear letters, the sanctity of our colors, what to put on crossing jackets, should we loan folx our umbrellas with our letters on them, should frats give their girlfriends their jackets when she gets cold, etc. that there is now. And very honestly, except for the latter two I am happy to see it.

To add to your question I would like to know what their prophytes have to say about all the "beefing", t'shirt "yelling" and criss crossing colors mess? To answer my own question I bet they are too busy trying to make sure they get their own t-shirt order in :rolleyes:. I say this because I believe prophytes have a more powerful influence on the actions of neos than anyone else. When I was a neo I was my own person but when it came to Delta matters I did as my prophytes did because in my eyes they set the example of what was and was not acceptable in my chapter. So if you have a neo running around making disrespectful remarks about other greeks and wearing a DST t-shirt in pink and green or an AKA t-shirt in crimson and cream you best believe if you look around her prophyte is nearby cheering her on! :(

MightyQuinn, I applaud you because you hit the nail right on the head. Prophytes have the most influence. Alot of the foolishness I've seen over the years has been mostly due to ignorant prophytes making ignorant members. But then again it goes to in general how people are being made these days.

I would say it is more to the overall mentality of college students that I believe AKA2D alluded to in either this thread, the Diss thread or Overstatement thread versus "the process."

There has been a serious decline in all of our orgs in terms of the makeup of the members because there is an overall decline in the quality of students entering college and subsequently pursuing memebership into a D9 org. For many members, the orgs are seen akin to clubs (represent your crew, clique) and not an org that has a deep and profound history. Which is why it is so commonplace for Student A to want to be an AKA in high school but get to college and see the Deltas step and want to be a Delta only because they step better (IN THAT STUDENT'S MIND and on that campus).

Our orgs are losing the Talented 10th and are now being populated by the Trifling 20. :(

^^^^^^
Wonderful point soror!!:)

Too true...
 

I chuckled at this part :D.

I chuckled too. :)

It's the truth! :(

Yes it is and very sad too.

AGREED

Re: Too true...
 

Me too, but she still needs a beating. :p

^^^Good point. Very good point.

But that raises a question:

If you know that the quality of today's college students are declining (moreso sign 'o the times than anything else), what do you do to counter it? Do you:

1. Raise the standards for college students joining?

ORRRRRRR...

2. Roll with the punches (ala: Boys will be boys and girls will be girls)?

Until something is done to adequately address this: your points, while I agree wholeheartedly with, are for the sake of the quality organizational membership, rather meaningless.

There you go veering into the wrong lane again. Your lane is the far right lane. Thanks.

Boom_Quack, thank you for posting.

Sincerely,

Rain Man

*RM prints out a copy of Boom_Quack's post, folds it neatly in half and quietly deposits it into the wastebasket*

^^^Oh such a good point. And I agree with Fee Fee about you needing a beating for that last comment. (LMAO!);) :D

Anyway it is VERY sad to hear and see some of things that are going on campus'. :( (i.e fake rape at a stepshow, dissing other groups during pro shows)

I also wanted to agree with whoever posted about prophytes having a strong influence on neos. That is sooo true! I thank God that my pros (and nanas) did not take ANY mess. We learned to occupy our time worrying about Delta business. I did not have a clue as to what the AKA's, SGrho's, and ZETA's were doing or not doing. My only concern was knowing how to make Delta shine. :D. And now I try to impart similiar wisdom to my neos. Trust me there is sooo much work that needs to be done, so don't waste time on things that are not important. :rolleyes:

Paying money and spending quality time to diss organizations is pointless and I cannot fathom how people can justify a lot of this.:confused:

Preaaaaaaaaach on brotha!

PREACH.ON.

I forgots to ask you this question. You seem very passionate about NPHC orgs, but I don't know which one you're in. :confused: I know you ain't a kappa, because I asked you. That leaves us with Alpha, Omega, PBS, and Ioter. Which one is it?

*sitting on the edge of my seat*

I think he's in the organization that is brothers to your organization. By the way, what organization is that?

Sitting on the edge of my seat.

Shamtupac, you are alright with me.:D

:eek: NOT SHAMTUPAC!!!!!! :rolleyes: :p

*sneaks up behind ShamikaT and proceeds to kick her off the edge*


:D


*hears falling sound like Wyle E. Coyote on the old Looney Tune cartoons, then SPLAT*

:cool:

Soror Boom_Quack13
 

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LMAO!!!!!:D :D

Come on Shamika! You know starang is an Iotar (I guess that is what you're talking about).:p ;)

RainMan,
In regards to raising the standards, the orgs can do that.

HOWEVER, colleges and universities are already doing so. Many mandates for admission to these institutions (including HBCUs) are becoming more challenging. Therefore, if the HSers don't get it together, we' ll probably see a dramatic decrease of our kids going to 4-year institutions. :(

Then, if that happens, all orgs will be scurrying trying to get the Talented Tenth. That's not to say that they (the "TT") aren't triflin'. :p

TRUTH.com

I agree, to a point. I know of at least 3 collegiate chapters where the prophytes and NEOs are as different as night and day. The NEOs cross and just lose their minds!

Especially when they make up the majority of the chapter.

***Marquise stands and applauds***

You are so right. There are certain things that I would never allow my neos to do even after they crossed. As neos we all wanted to be creative and take it up a notch. But I taught my neos to never disrespect anyone’s colors, national/regional song, or call/hand sign. To be honest most of the drama stems from the disconnection between "old heads" and "new schoolers". If the bruh/ sorors from the past don't lend a hand to the newborns, they will make a mess of what we hold dear. This extends to anyone who knows better. To be honest, if we did everything like our prophytes did, Greek life would seem dated, but if we do away with traditional ideals Greek life will appear as it does now, cheap!

This is food for a new thread...