algore
 

was Algore a greek? Albert A Algore? He invented the internet.

Al Gore did not join a fraternity at Harvard (they're there but they're low profile). His freshman room-mate was actor Tommy Lee Jones.
George Bush was a DKE at Yale.
Bill Clinton: non fraternity.
George H.W. Bush: DKE at Yale
Jimmy Carter: non fraternity (Naval Academy)
Ronald Reagan: TKE at Elon
Gerald Ford: DKE at Michigan

I know that although nobody specified "General" fraternity, that that was probably the sentiment.....

Nevertheless, please don't say that Bill Clinton isn't a member of a fraternity -- he was an undergraduate initiate of Alpha Phi Omega, Mu Alpha Chapter. So say non-social, but don't say non-fraternity.

Thanks. :)

Yes, Tom Earp, I know that there is a difference. Please don't go there with me today.

Have there ever been fraternities at military schools like west point, annapolis, air force academy, and the rest?

-Rudey

Sigma Nu and alpha tau omega were both founded at the Virginia Military Institute.

Neither is still present on that campus as I believe GLO's were kicked off quite some time ago.

Theta Chi was founded at Norwich University, which was the army academy before westpoint. They no longer have greek life and I don't think you have to be a cadet to attend and they are now co-ed.

presidents, military schools
 

Ronald Wilson Reagan and his older brother, John Neil Reagan served as Presidents of Iota chapter of TKE at Eureka College,
a church school near Peoria. When Reagan died he left $ to allow
college officials, IFC rep, and TKE reps, to attend his funeral. All
went, most were TKEs. Lambda Chi and Delta Sig, I think, are all
there too. Reagan and then-wife Jane Wyman built the library at
Eureka. He was a life-long friend of the greeks. The stories of his
collegiate visits are legion, and he was likely the best known ever.
Penn Military, now called Widener, in Chester, PA still has NIC chapters. Theta Chi was nurtured at Norwich, and lordy, SAE has
a marvelous military history. See Baird's. I would not be at all surprised to see greeks return to some of them. If we can have
nebulous metro charters, cooking schools, aeronautical ones, textile schools, golly...we have not yet hit cosmetology or auctioneering or chiropractic ones, but who knows.
The once boy scout fraternity, Alpha Phi Omega, was hardly an
IFC social when Bill Clinton was a member. But I guess we could
toss them in if'n we're a mind to. Harry Truman was enthusiastic
about Lambda Chi Alpha, and so on...
Greek history is an important arm of higher education, and from
the Phi Psi cabin in the woods sprang a great youth movement.
But, as Kappa Sig says, "not all can wear the pin." But we are
hard working at it. Go Pike at Howard!

I know that APO has a chapter at Maine Maritime

Re: presidents, military schools
 

Mr. Conard,
Kappa Sigma does not say "not all can wear the pin.", as you've repeatedly misquoted. Kappa Sigma does have a credo that begins with this line: "The Star and Crescent shall not be worn by every man, but only by him who is worthy to wear it..."

Thanks in advance for getting it right next time.

Of the federal military academies, there have never been social fraternities at West Point, the U. S. Naval Academy or the Air Force Academy...and I am fairly certain we could include the Coast Guard Academy as well.

Re: Re: presidents, military schools
 

Thanks bro, I was just about to post the same thing. I figured I wasn't the only one who noticed it.

sorry, Kappa Sigs
 

I meant that as a compliment, but sorry to have misquoted it.
In my next reference I shall strive to get it right. At any rate, my
intentions were to point out that the concept was worthy.
Sorry, Erik P Conard

Re: Re: presidents, military schools
 

Have you ever tried to tell your Grandpa something like that?? Did it work?? (I don't know how many times people have told my Grandpa that there is no such thing as "colored people", yet he persists.) Honestly, Erik P Conrad isn't going to change what he says, regardless of how false it is, and how many times he's told. Just don't worry about him.

As to the post above you are not fully correct.

Zeta Psi had a chapter at the US Naval Academy, it is listed as deceased since 1874. The chapter was listed as a our Gamma chapter and was only active from January until Oct of the same year.

We also had one at the Georgia Military Institute, listed as deceased since 1861. Three men were initiated, but the Civil War intervened and the destruction of Atlanta destoyed all of our records there.

History of Military Colleges and Greek Orgaizations is very interesting to say the least. I hope I learn something New each day.

But for Military Institutations, I think they want their Students to have one thought only, Military.

Maybe Texas A & M is the exception? Or, is it Tex. Tech.?

Not sure, but did Norwich go to a Two Year School and COED?

Texas A&M and Texas Tech aren't military. (The A&M, for Agricultural and Mechanical, and the Tech, for Technical, are pretty good clues there.)

"... and the rest?"

Kentucky Military Institute (1845 to 1973) had the following chapters. [dates listed if known]

Alpha Tau Omega (Mu chapter) [??]
Chi Phi (Pi chapter) [1872-1883]
Delta Kappa Epsilon (Iota chapter) [1854-1864?]
Phi Delta Theta (Kentucky Beta chapter) [??]
Sigma Alpha Epsilon (Kentucky Chi chapter) [1860-1887]

My understanding is that some of the chapters closed, while others "relocated" their charter to another Kentucky college. This was due to either the War of Northern Aggression, or once KMI became solely a preparatory school.

Texas A&M was largely military for a long time. In fact, there was a time when Texas A&M graduated more officers than West Point.

We had a chapter at The Citadel in 1889. They closed at the request of the school after initiating only 13 men, but one of those men - Robert Adger Smythe - ran our Fraternity as chief executive officer until 1933 and then remained an icon until his death in the 1960s.

Texas A&M still maintains a uniformed Corps of Cadets and annualy commissions more officers than any ROTC program in the country, and comes in just behind the military acadamies. More Corps of Cadets members served in World War II than any of the service acadamies and 14,000 served as officers. More than West Point and Annapolis combined. Texas A&M also has 7 Congressional Medal of Honor winners it calls sons.

Texas A&M was an all-mens military college until the 1960's when membership in the Corps became voluntary. Around that time, women were also officially admitted for the first time. Greek Life was officially recognized at A&M in 1985.

Texas Tech is a safety school in West Texas for kids who can't get into A&M or Texas. The only claim to fame in Lubbock is a statue of Will Rogers and a thug of a men's basketball coach. They should NEVER be confused with one of the two flagship universities in the state, and Tom Earp, I believe you know better.

Kitso
KS 361 more STD's on a Tech Coed than on a stripper at a Duke LAX party

I stand corrected!

Beta Theta Pi had a chapter at Anapolis for a total of four years or so.

I don't have my book in front of me for the exact years, but it wasn't long.

TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY
I live in a town the size of a piece of bacteria on a fly's ass. I spend Friday nights practicing my yells. I can whoop better than anyone can in my battalion. I beat up gays, fish, hunt, and yell for fun. If I'm not yelling, drinking with my battalion, or beating up gays, I am at the Dixie Chicken. My father went to school here, just as his father did before him, and his father before him. My brother went to t.u. They never found his body after he came home that first Christmas in college. I won't walk on the grass. I look forward to the day I, too, will do the elephant walk. I believe it is cool to do something because they tell me it is tradition. If something is not a tradition and we accidentally do it, we then make it one. I can call UT t.u. if I want, even though UT was the original first class university in Texas. I worship a dog....seriously.
I am an Aggie

There was a sorority chapter at West Point from 2001 to 2003.

I really doubt this. If it was, it certainly was not sanctioned or official in any way, shape or form. And I would guess that if it was "discovered," the cadets would have been punished or ordered to disband--because they can do that at USMA.

Unless you're thinking about the "Order of the Rose" and that is/was NOT a sorority--but I won't go into that here.

I stand corrected on the fraternity thing at USNA--I was thinking more about "modern times" rather than the 1800s. USNA was clearly a different school in the first few years of its existence than it has been for say the last 100 years. I worked at West Point from 1996-1999, and the Naval Academy from 1999-2003, and in doing personal research, I was told that fraternities were not permitted at the federal academies because they would not contribute to the mission of the schools (not my thoughts, just what I was told). Students are organized into companies and do things as a class--rather than as individual groups (although I will agree that some of the 'clubs' take on social flavors.)

Edited for grammar--sorry!

I hope that's not meant as some sort of an insult. That pretty much does sum us up. And you know? Its just as funny now as it was the first time I read it, way back in the 1990's. But thanks for digging up this little trip down memory lane.

Kitso
KS 361 friends I have that went to t.u. and know that A&M was founded first.

No A&M was not "founded" first. The ideas of both schools were conceived at the same time. Texas A&M College only opened first because more time and funds were needed to establish, UT...the intended flagship/first class university in Texas.

"The idea behind The University of Texas was originally conceived in 1827. Upon Texas's independence, the Congress of the Republic of Texas adopted the Constitution of the Republic, which made its own provision to establish a system of public education in Texas. A bill providing that twenty leagues of land be set aside for two colleges or universities was then created. By the time Cullen's bill became a law on January 26, 1839, Congress had agreed to set aside fifty leagues of land. In addition, forty acres in the new capital of Austin were reserved and designated "College Hill."

Congress failed to act any further until 1858, when lawmakers set out in the Act of 1858 $100,000 in United States bonds left from the Compromise of 1850 to put towards the universities. However, Texas's secession from the Union and the outbreak of the American Civil War prevented Congress from carrying out these plans.

After the war, the Constitution of 1866 mandated that the state establish the university "at an early day." The Constitution of 1876 finally called for the creation of a "university of the first class," The University of Texas. It revoked the endowment of the railroad lands of the Act of 1858, but appropriated one million acres West Texas. In 1883, another two million was granted, with income from the sale of or grazing rights to the land going to The University of Texas and Texas A&M College. The passing of the Morrill Act in 1862 had facilitated the construction of Texas A&M, established in 1876. In 1881, Austin was chosen as the site of the "Main University," and Galveston was designated the location of the "Medical Department." In addition, the legislature authorized a governing board of eight regents. An official ceremony began construction on what is now referred to as the Old Main Building in late 1882 on the original "College Hill." The university finally opened its doors on September 15, 1883."

Spin it how you want tsip, A&M opened for classes before "the university". And regardless of who intended what to be the flagship university in the state, it remains that currently BOTH universities are first-class schools, neither being head and shoulders above the other.

But, if you want to continue this pissing match, by all means take it to the "I Like Texas" thread and lets un-hijack this one.

I know I know. Obviously I am biased. True, both are great schools...no arguing that. Just messing around.

Kitso, clean out YOUR Mail Box!

When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought "algore" was a new society like Acacia or something.

Yay Kitso!!

they didn't teach you anything hanging out with all those WCU Pikes? lol jk


Like Firehouse said, our Lambda Chapter at the Citadel was disbanded by the school. They barely lasted a year I think. But the Fraternities figure head came from that chapter. Robert Adger Smythe (yes, the Smythe award was named after him). Despite his chapter losing its charter so quickly, he still devoted many many many years to the Fraternity.

Look here --> http://sigmalambdagamma.com/chapters.htm. Scroll down to the Mu Beta Chapter Listing and the website is still live, just hasn't been updated on the "sisters of" page for 3 years. I don't know the circumstances of the chapter, as I didn't become a member of the organization until after the 2003. I do wonder though... looks like another question to be directed to the national board.

Clinton is also an esteemed Brother of Kappa Kappa Psi... :D

And, although we are not a social but a service org, we are still Greek... :cool:

Texas Schools
 

macallen,

Not only was the Greatest School In All The Land established before Hell's 40 acres, but Sam Houston State was, too.

I've been told Phi Delts opened their doors before the university did. Have you heard this?

esteemed?
 

how can bill clinton be an esteemed member of anything?

You know, I keep forgetting he is in KKPsi. Thanks for the reminder. :)

(If you have more info, like when he was initiated and where, please PM me.)

Re: esteemed?
 

The Republican contigent of GC sure is testy this morning.

Do you really have to consider party affiliation to determine that Clinton was a scum bag?

Just to make sure President Reagan went to Eureka, not Elon (N.C.) right? That being said, I'm a republican, but I'd like to hang out with Clinton. I may not agree w/ his policy, but I'd bet he's fun to drink and talk politics with.

Yes.