A grave overstatement!!!
 

Recently on my campus there have been t-shirts dawned by several AKAs and Alphas stating, "I'm your father/mother and you will respect me." Now I pride myself in knowing my history and knowing it well. No where in any recording has there ever been any implication that Alpha Phi Alpha and Alpha Kappa Alpha were father/mother organizations. Maybe the first born child, but never the originator of black Greek letter organizations. The Masons and Eastern Stars on our campus are furious, because father/mother has always been a title we as the D9 gave to them. What I want to know is:

1. Are these bogus claims common?

2. Do they hold any weight, or as they might say in the south "any water"?

let them believe what they want. A lot of sites show the poem that references them as mom and dad.....

I personally feel that they may be older siblings but not mom and dad. I always gave that to the Masonic orgs.

It's one thing to walk in dillusion, but to try and make it seem as if what you're saying is fact and other organziations are in denial...:confused: Where is the line and when did they cross it?

I've learned to pick and choose battles. Someone is always going to think something and if it doesn't have any influence on my day to day actions....I let it go.


edited for clarity

You sound as if you've never heard D9 members stake claims to questionable "facts". Have you never met a Sigma? I'm just saying.

Why don't you tell us where the line was and when it was crossed.

Word. Questionable "facts" have been circulating for soooo long.

Marquise, are there any Masons and/or Eastern Stars who are also Alphas and/or AKA's on your campus?

Black Freemasonry began when Prince Hall and fourteen other free black men were initiated into Lodge No. 441, Irish Constitution, attached to the 38th Regiment of Foot, British Army Garrisoned at Castle William (now Fort Independence) Boston Harbor on March 6, 1775. The Master of the Lodge was Sergeant John Batt. Along with Prince Hall, the other newly made masons were Cyrus Johnson, Bueston Slinger, Prince Rees, John Canton, Peter Freeman, Benjamin Tiler, Duff Ruform, Thomas Santerson, Prince Rayden, Cato Speain, Boston Smith, Peter Best, Forten Howard and Richard Titley.

ya'll should be smart-azzez and have a Cam'ron style shirt that says "I don't respect my elders"

so i wonder what would they say if a WGLO had the same shirt on?

lawd....see...:D

LOL. I was thinking that too.

Well as both a Mason and an Alpha, I don't really see a problem with the shirt. (Maybe I'm a little biased.)

We all make claims about our organizations that could be considered unfounded or untrue by others, so I see it as nothing more than that.

I recognize the fact the we were not the first BGLO, we're just the oldest collegiate BGLO in existence. (The first BGLO was started in the 1890s actually)

I don't think the D9 has officially given the title of "father/mother" to the Masonic Order/OES. I thought it was just an understood thing amongst many. As a Mason, I never even sought to try an "educate" or impose any sort of fatherly concept on any D9 member. (I know people that do, and it NEVER goes right)

Just my .06 cents...

Yes, but I believe "questionable facts" should be exposed as embraced ignorance. I am willing to correct anyone who has something false to say as it pertains to me or my organization.

I was think'n bout getting a t-shirts that said, "My parents owe me 100 years of child support cuz dey ain't did $hit for me!!!"

:eek: :o :(

:confused:

Great post Brother PhrozenGenius
As a Mason and Iota, I often hear some say they are members of the oldest and youngest. This sometimes disturbs me. Yes, we are the youngest that was inducted into NPHC, but there are so many great Black fraternities and sororities that was established after Iota. Each and every org. take part in ribbing other orgs. (some more than others), if done right, it can be a healthy banter. But we must respect all that came before and after us. Brotherhood, sisterhood and service for mankind are the basic foundation with all.

In my eyes, Alpha Phi Alpha is my oldest LIVING brother while paying homage to my brothers who has passed away:
Alpha Kappa Nu-1903-Indiana University
Beta Kappa Sigma-1905-Wilberfoce University

And til I am proven wrong, Alpha Kappa Alpha is my oldest LIVING sister.

However, as Black Fraternal Orgs. WE ALL come from Masonry and OES. Masonically, I can't say we are the Father of all fraternities. We just started this journey alittle earlier than most.



http://groups.msn.com/NPHCArchivePho...rwebpage2.msnw

Re: A grave overstatement!!!
 

I do not buy into the mother/father crap from ANYONE, D9, or not. Masons/OES are NOT fathers/mothers to Delta, nor is anyone else.

Y'all be on some other stuff is FL.

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Cosign.

All Alpha gave birth to was chapters, programs, and ideas. Not other organizations.

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Well said and I co-sign...

mother/father...give me a break...:rolleyes:

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:cool:

Re: A grave overstatement!!!
 

1. I'll reserve comment on that for risk of opening a Pandora's box.

2. Heck, naw. That statement reeks of arrogance and ignorance and should be taken with a grain of salt while K.I.M.

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!:D :D

Yes. They don't agree with this claim. To the same effect there are members from all the D9 that become Masons or OES after they pledged their D9 Frats/ Soror on my campus.

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I concur (replacing Alpha Kappa Alpha where you have "Delta"). And I agree with Sensuret as well.

I think it's funny that people are so sensitive that they get all up in arms over t-shirts. I guess this will lead to probate/coming out show wars and the like. :rolleyes:

It's stupid, you know your history, they know theirs- if there is some discrepancy in perception so the hell what? You can say whatever you want, and respond/retaliate however you want and you aren't going to change anybody's perception. If they say they think they are Mother/Father your whining isn't going to change their minds, in fact nothing you can do will. Grow up folks, it ain't that serioius. Disagree and move on.

Hypothetically SKEE would say that a white person can't birth a black baby. :p

I see where folks are coming from. BUT, these are undergraduates, so they are going to do this. We did it, but not in reference to parents!

They haven't grown up yet. Let's hope that by the time they graduate or at least 5 years after ;) , they aren't saying or doing the same things. Where are my shirts? Stored some where in my apt or at home. :confused:

It's almost no different than some of our signatures, here on GC. :D

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Skee I could care less if they came up with a bogus DNA test that proved they were the D9's mother and father. I just wanted to know if these claims were common or if they held any weight? But like I said I take it personally when someone has something to say about me or my organization. This is not a whisper in the wind. Imagine 24 super-neos walking around campus every Thursday, pari-day, with those shirts on and the general public believing what the shirts said. It's like some disagreeable stranger walking around with a shirt that says "I'm SKEEphistAKAte's Mama!!!". Would you not be disturbed? If I walked around with a T-Shirt that said some horrendous lie, I know a lot of people would be upset, and that is this case.

Marquise,

Folks are going to talk and/or do regardless...

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But if you know your history, then you have no reason to be upset. You know the truth about what the organization you pledged---that's all you have to be concerned about. ;) I am never bothered when I hear my relatives' claim (Mason/OES) to be the mother of Alpha Kappa Alpha. As far as *I* am concerned, that is Ethel Hedgeman Lyle. :cool: :D I just ignore them and do *my* thing...but hey, that's just me. :)

Besides--what are you going to do? Rip their shirts off and demand a recant of their allegations? :rolleyes: OR all of those opposed can chalk it up to undergrad acting-silly-ness and move on.

enigma_AKA

Yes they will. But you cannot fault people for getting a little bit testy when someone says something like that. There are some things that should just be left off t- shirts.

What is the point?
 

My only question is, they actually spent money on these???
I mean what point are you proving? That's a lil igorant to me. If you feel a certain way, or you have a idea, the last thing you do is spend good chapter money for shirts, when NUPEs like me could care less. I just might laugh in your face! :p

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Like I said. I just wanted to get some ?'s answered. It's not about me being upset. You would have to address every last one of the greeks, masons, and OES's on our campus who have seen those shirts. I just wanted some info.

Re: What is the point?
 

Yeah!!!!:p :D

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I wouldn't give a rip. I know who my mother is. I would say "that person is an idiot and anybody who believes that that person is my mother is an idiot" and SKEE would keep it moving. The keeping it moving part is what you seem to be having difficulty with.

I'm not going to repeat everything I said in my last post that you obviously either didn't read or didn't comprehend. There is nothing you can do about someone else's claims. Period. The general public has all sorts of misconceptions and stereotypes about us and it is because WE, the D9 perpetuate them (in shirts, probate/coming out shows, step shows and our general dealings with each other on campus). And you know what Marquise, there is nothing you can do about that. Outsiders are still going to have misconeptions. Nobody is going to die because the general public was mislead by a t-shirt. It is not a "grave overstatement " it is a t-shirt. I think you're being overly sensitive. You disagree with the shirt, that is all, so what? Other people disagree with the shirt, that is all, so what?

Do most Alphas/AKAs consider themselves the father/mother of other D9 organizations? I think not. The people on your campus either seem to think so, or just felt like saying something to get sensitive people like you riled up (and you went for the okie doke). Either way, that is their opinion. And if the general public decides to accept that as fact, oh well. *shrugs shoulders*

God forbid you ever meet a neo Sigma...

Re: A grave overstatement!!!
 

Well, to answer your questions:

1. I've can't say I've never heard of these claims ("I am thy mother and thy father: I am Alpha Phi Alpha Kappa Alpha") but I wouldn't say that they are common.

2. Do they? Again, as long as you know your history, what do you think? ;)

I hope this helps. :)

enigma_AKA

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I've met them all and I have no fear in addressing them all. Skee like I said and this will be the end of any comments directed to you. I wanted info on ?'s 1&2. So if you're not answering those then please make your post general and not directed toward me.

Also as a side note, let PBS discuss PBS, I'm not getting into that.

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The Deltas are probating this thursday, I've heard a comback is in the works. I'll keep you posted.,

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Are you trying to make me fall out of my chair, bump my head, and die? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I sure hope NOT!!!!:(

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There's a lot of beef there. I won't touch it, but I know they are furious over those shirts too.