Are you for, against, or in between?
 

This is a highly sensitive subject and if it gets to be too much then I will delete it.

How do you feel about abortions. I feel that up until the first 4 weeks the woman should have the right to abort. However I think after that the child has a right to live. What do you think? Are you totally against it, or are you totally for it, or do you have a solution that you think no one else has come up with?

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I totally believe it's a woman's choice. No if's and's or but's about it!
But in saying that I would hope they wouldn't use it as a form of birth control.
I personally know people who have had 3 abortions, proably would have had more, but their health insurance only allows for 3 to be covered.
I would never have one, but if I was raped, then I would I'm sure.

I'm pro-choice. I Would never have one, but hey, what women do with their bodies is their own choice.

You know someone who's had 3 Abortions? How about using a condom next time instead? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif It's people who use it as birth control that tick me off.

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I too am pro-choice, because women have personal reasons for not wanting to bear children.

I don't like our http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif "president", because he is trying to take this right away from us as women. Who is he to tell a WOMAN that she cannot make her own decisions?

I just wish that healthcare were affordable for all women, because when contraceptives are not accessible to a woman, pregnancy is bound to happen as well as other health problems.

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I firmly believe in a woman's GOD-GIVEN right to choose. Personally, I would hope to never be put in a situation where an abortion would be necessary. But, there are many women who need that option. The only thing making abortion ILLEGAL would do would be to return us to the pre-Roe vs. Wade days. In those days, so many women sterilized themselves or even died in back-alleys giving themselves unsafe abortions. We can't go there again.
What amazes me to no end is fervor of some of these pro-lifers who will kill for the rights of a fetus, but will stand by and allow children to languish in orphanages or be abused or worse in foster care. (Note: There are great foster care parents, don't get me wrong.) How about fighting for those children who are already here?
Can you tell I feel very strongly about this topic? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I am pro-life. I'm not real sure how I feel about the rape issue and I know that it would be hard to have a baby by a rapist but is the child's potential life any less meaningful? I don't like to hear that people have their reasons for not wanting to bear children. Then either do not have sex(because we all know what some possibilities of having sex are), get "fixed" or give the baby to someone who would love it and cherish it as it should be. As soon as the life is created, it is just that, life. Who is to say at what point life is worth anything. I believe that being able to help give life is the most wonderful gift God could give us. I do not have children yet but if I were to have one before I want to, then that is the consequence of my action and more importantly it is also my responsiblity. Life is about dealing with the consequences of our own actions be it good, bad, or otherwise. Outside of rape, the choice comes before you lay down to have sex.

I sincerely do not want to offend nor argue but I just wanted to post my opinion.

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited May 21, 2001).]

Though I am pro-life..
i would never take away women's choice.. you can not make laws that govern conscience.. In fact I know a young lady that caused her own miscarrige (she has great knowledge of alternative medications and herbs etc.)
Would her case be considered an abortion?

While I guess it could be considered murder, I somewhat agree with you, loviest95. While I'm pro-life, I'm not yet sold on the idea that the government should have a say so. I believe this may be more of an issue of one's morals, religion, beliefs, or conscience.

i am for a womans right to choose...regardless of her choice...i don't feel that it is my or anyone elses place to take that from her...BUT i personally am against abortion...i feel there are too many other alternatives prior to and after pregnancy and that too many women are taking the "easy" way out and making abortion a form of birth control...in a way that may be contradictory...but i do not advocate taking away anyones right to pursue a legal option... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Well I haven't posted on gc for quite some time, but I had to pipe in on this issue since i feel so strongly about it. I am absolutely, totally, 100% against abortion. As was already stated, a woman has the right to choose...the right to choose whether or not to have sex and be responsible, that is. I do not feel that I, or any other woman, has the right to dictate whether or not they will keep a baby. Now this is based on my religious beliefs, so if you are not a Chrisitin, I wouldn't necessarily hold you to the same principles. But as a Chrisitian, i know that God grants people the PRIVILEGE of taking care of his children while they reside on Earth as mothers and fathers. But they are still God's children, and I would never want to risk the wrath of God for ending the life of one of his children. I am neither judging or condemning people who are pro-choice, I'm simply stating my personal beliefs and I feel very strongly about them.

In addition, I am against abortion because I feel it is detrimental to the Black race. I wish I had the figures, but I know that Black woman get abortions at alarmlingly high rates. i feel like it is self inflicted cultural genocide. It's true that many black people live in poverty and having an abundance of children won't help, but I mean come on! Even college educated, established Black women are aborting black children. It has to stop.

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I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. I have actually never looked at these points you bought up as far as the pro-lifers who only care about the fetus but not the actual baby/child.

I am PRO-CHOICE because everyone has choices they need to make in their life. I know I have made messed up choices in my life. I believe that the women who have abortions made a choice and for that choice, they will have to be held accountable by God. I also believe that the extremist Pro-Lifers (those who demonstrate and have gotten out of hand with demonstrating) will also be held accountable to God.


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[This message has been edited by CrimsonTide4 (edited June 03, 2001).]

I am pro-choice.

D.E.M.4's,

How did you come up with a four week time limit for abortions?

i consider myself of the christian faith...and i am pro-CHOICE...does that mean i am not truly a christian?

I'm honestly wondering from everyone who says they are pro-choice, isn't it a choice of whether or not to have sex? I mean, like I've said, is it a surprise if one gets pregnant from safe or unsafe sex? I think we all know what the possibilities of sex are. So I'm honestly wondering what you think about the choice being to have sex or not and then to be responsible for the consequences of your actions (or choices). Also, I'm wondering at what point do you all feel life begins?

i am pro-choice...and for me it is not that simple...choosing to have sex or not...i have chosen to abstain from sex for an indefinite period of time so as not to "wreck" my future endeavors because they would be greatly inhibited by my getting pregnant before i marry...not everyone chooses to abstain...and for those that do not...i fully advocate their right to pursue a legal option...i am not an advocate in any way shape or form of denying anyone their LEGAL rights for any reason...therefore i am pro-choice...not pro-abortion...there is a big difference in my opinion...being "responsible" for ones choices and actions in my opinion means making choices that suit YOUR life based on YOUR beliefs and principles and how YOU feel that choice will impact YOU spiritually, physically, mentally, socially, economically, etc...not how SOMEONE ELSE feels it will affect YOU...only YOU know...i PERSONALLY believe that life begins at conception and I would feel a sense of spiritual and emotional loss beyond the physical loss if i ever had an abortion...those are MY beliefs and i will NOT impose those beliefs on anyone else...if someone asks my opinion i will gladly tell them that i feel they are making a mistake in terminating their child because there are many other options including prevention of a second and third child after the first...and it does not mean the end of ones life...only that all decisions from here on out involve someone else and they are for the next 18 years at least, your number one priority...but again, with all that said...i will NOT take away another womans right to choose nor will i make her feel guilty for HER choice...it is not my place to JUDGE...only GODS...i have my philosophy, but i am NOT the supreme authoritor...i can only give my opinion based in my beliefs, convictions, faith, experience...and allow others to freely make choices on their own...for those that want to use christian principles and spirituality as a basis for abortion being wrong...there are a multitude of OTHER things that go on in the christian church that are just as harmful if not more harmful to the community than abortion and i find it really odd than one will so quickly break out the stance of christian principles and hide behind a bible on this issue and turn around and belittle, degrade, humiliate, their fellow brothers and sisters and even cause their death...think nothing of it...and not once have a concern for upholding christian principles in other instances or on other major issues... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif



[This message has been edited by SableCherub (edited June 04, 2001).]

I don't want you to think I'm trying to argue but I really don't understand your response. You said, "not everyone chooses to abstain". But isn't that the CHOICE? All I'm saying is (if I drank), I would have the choice to either drink and let someone else drive me home or drink and drive myself home. Now if I did the latter, I know that the possibilities are I could kill myself and/or others. Isn't it about being responsible in the first place? Or should I not be held responsible for my actions if I kill myself or others while driving drunk? I know that if I point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, the possiblity is they might die. My main point: if I know what the possibilities of my actions are, then I am making a conscious, well-informed decision of whether or not I want to deal with said possibilites.

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited June 04, 2001).]

arguement is not an issue here...respecting other peoples CHOICES is...i respect your choice to be against abortion...and equally you should...in my opinion respect my choice of being pro-choice and not making a woman that has chosen to have an abortion feel guilty for that choice...that is the joy and pain of living in a free..."democratic" society...freedom of choice...for the good or bad...GOD gives us that choice...why can't you?

Thanks for responding more in detail, SableCherub.

While I agree that people have a right to feel differently spirutally, emotionally, etc., is it not important to still hold people responsible for their actions? What kind of society would we have if no one was held responsible for their actions big or small? Under what circumstances and in what situations is it okay to say, "since you don't like your consequences, you don't have to deal with it?"

I am not saying whether or not it should be legal or illegal. I am just simply wanting to know why the choice can't be before you have sex and in what circumstances do you not have to deal with consequences of one's own actions. I am also not condemning anyone if they are for abortions remaining legal. My stance on this issue is just that: mine. I'm not telling you or anyone else what they should think. I am a person who loves to challenge my own thoughts and beliefs as well as others. To me, that is the only way one becomes more knowledgable and in turn is able to grow. So please don't think I'm arguing with you or your beliefs. As I stated before, I honestly just want to understand others' thinking on this matter. I've always been told since I was little that my mind is like that of a lawyer's. So I think it's just the inner lawyer in me wanting to come out http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif! Why I'm an accountant, I don't know.

I appreciate everyone's opinion on this matter, but I will discontinue posting for this topic as I do not need to discuss my opinion further and do not want this to get out of hand.

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited June 04, 2001).]

I feel that a woman should have the right to choose. I choose to have safe sex. I didn't choose for the condomn to break. Or for the birth control that I used to not work correctly. If you find yourself pregnant then I think you should keep the baby. However, if there are underlying issues that could prevent you to have the baby (medical or otherwise) I think you should be given the right to choose what is best for you and the child. I have real issues with the women that think about it until they are 5 or 6 months pregnant. I think a time limit should be set and I chose 4 weeks. No scientific explanation-just 4 weeks. I hope that answers your question.

I've always been in the middle about this subject.

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[This message has been edited by D.E.M.4's (edited June 04, 2001).]

I believe that abortion is killing God's creation and it is wrong. Although some are unable to embrace a fetus as a "baby" or even a "living being", it is.

However, I do not believe that the government (the president or anyone else for that matter) should decide such things for a woman. Would it be wise then to say that since I am a woman I have authority over my body? No, my body is a temple for the Lord. When it comes to God's will, I see no "choice".

Furthermore, some women cannot have children. Therefore, it is a blessing to bring a child into the world. It is a gift, despite any other circumstances. What about adoption as an option? I believe that some use abortion as an "easy way out". I know many close friends that have had abortions. They spent that couple of hours to get that "taken care of" and that was it. But, I also know of some of the regret they face. Because of the circumstances, I was "supposed" to be aborted. I cherish my life so very much and thank God that (at the last minute) I was not (aborted).

I must say, that I never thought of it quite that way but very good point. Thank you for your insight. It is very much appreciated.


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I am usually a woman of my word but I never clarified this in any of my previous posts so once I make this statement, I promise I am through with this topic (unless someone addresses me specifically in their post http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif).

While one may not choose for the contraceptive to fail, I think we all know that no contraceptive has a 100% success rate. If there is such a thing, please let me know. In saying this, if one knows that there is even a 5% chance of failure rate among a contraceptive, when you CHOOSE to have sex, are you not accepting that 5% risk of getting pregnant? Like my driving drunk example, while it may not be 100% that one WILL kill themselves or others while driving drunk or get caught by police for DUI, they still know that there is that chance they COULD. Therefore, they are accepting that risk the moment they get behind the wheel. If said person does kill someone or get caught by police, should they be able to say that since they thought they were okay to drive and did not plan to or think they would kill someone or get caught, they really should not have to be held responsible or go to jail because it would not be feasible right now or would hinder/complicate their life, even though they knew that driving drunk may lead to homicide or jail time?

But for the record (again), while I am against abortion, I am not necessarily saying I think the government should ban abortions.

I believe that a woman should have the right to decide on her own whether or not she wants to keep her child. No one can know what it's like to be in that predicament unless the are actually faced with the dilemma. A woman should not be forced to bring forth a child that she does not want to or cannot take care of. In the end, that child would end up hurt because his/her mother never wanted him/her in the first place. A woman can have any reason for not choosing not to keep a child- it may not be the right time in her life; she may not be able to care for the child fiancially or emotionally, etc., etc. Of course a woman should think about that before getting pregnant but let's be realistic! Things happen, we're human and we make mistakes- should we have to pay for them for the rest of our lives? I do agree that it is not God's will for us to kill His children- it is a sin to have an abortion. But people sin everyday- I don't think God rates sins by degree of badness, a sin is a sin. I think the woman will just need to repent and truly be sorry about it and make sure that it doesn't happen again. For those people that have like ten abortions and rely on abortion to save their butts, let God deal with them!

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I respect others opinions pertaining the subject, but I think that an unborn baby is human and that a human life should not be taken because of it's mother's stupid mistake. If you choose to have sex, you should also be willing to suffer the consequences of your actions. (This post is not meant to offend anyone, Just my opinion)