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starang21 04-17-2006 10:05 PM

so anyhow...the Charlie Chan Shoes...
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041301886.html

http://japundit.com/images/fong.jpg

and my response to maKKKallan25

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Originally posted by maKKKallan25
Every single response you have is the same towards pretty much everyone. You call them a "twit" or an "idiot" and then you rephrase what you have already said in your previous ten posts. Something along the lines of how we are simpletons that cannot "hang" with your extreme, ingenious intellect. You know what? Fuck you. Insulting me over the internet isn't going to change anything. You think I have "mental deficiencies?" I think you are a close minded piece of shit. I am not mad in any way. I think it is funny how you can take a small design on a shoe and turn a whole thread into your crusade to prove the world a bunch of racists and bigots. Thats all you fucking talk about. I've seen it in multiple threads. Bigot this and Racist that....shut the fuck up allready. And I said the situation was "typical." I didn't say anything about a "typical black stripper." Personally I have not seen many black strippers....so I wouldn't have made that generalization. If the woman that cried rape was white I still would have said typical.

And yes, WHO GIVES A SHIT? Its a shoe. I think there are far more extreme situations that you could focus your pent up anger on. I just watched a baseball game on TV....a white guy hit a black guy with a high fastball in the fourth inning. Oh shit, Maybe it was race related. Maybe you should ivestigate and crusade to get him thrown out of Major League Baseball.

you do have mental deficiencies, you ignorant simpleton. you can't hang not because you're white, but you lack the requisite number of brain cells for breathing air, let alone posting intelligent thought. hell, i wonder if you even preview your posts prior to submitting them. hell, what a wonderful world it would be if your dad actually did that with you. hell, if he saw the peice of trash he knew you would become, he would have clicked the red X at the top right or even shut down the whole computer.

you're mad because you decided to write this dissertation to me, and because you weren't able to contribute anything of value...as evidenced from your trailer trash post history. but i do like the fact that i have fans like you to make fun of.

actually, you did say "typical black strippers" in your post heading as well as the body of the posted, prior to it being deleted. i wonder if your menial, service sector ass is crying behind the screen right now. explaining who would care about this issue to you is like explaining remedial math to a door knob. either way, it's a simple concept but you just can't hang. now get your swagger back bitch, and at least exhibit some semblance of rational thought.

macallan25 04-17-2006 10:14 PM

No, I am not mad. In fact, I am laughing right now. No one else on this site can argue with you...why should I. I would rather make fun of you and watch you respond with these long, drawn out, completely ridiculous posts. The simple fact is, your insults are terrible and over used. Your only defense is to label someone a racist or a bigot or "cleverly" insert KKK into their name. You are so unbelieveably close minded that it doesn't allow anyone to have a rational conversation with you. Keep preaching though douchebag.


....and yes, I understand why some Asians would be offended by the picture. Obviously your advanced intellect couldn't see that I was merely questioning why a design on a hideous shoe that I wouldn't be caught dead in turned into a 4 page long argument in which you assert that the whole universe is racist.

starang21 04-17-2006 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
No, I am not mad. In fact, I am laughing right now. No one else on this site can argue with you...why should I. I would rather make fun of you and watch you respond with these long, drawn out, completely ridiculous posts. The simple fact is, your insults are terrible and over used. Your only defense is to label someone a racist or a bigot or "cleverly" insert KKK into their name. You are so unbelieveably close minded that it doesn't allow anyone to have a rational conversation with you. Keep preaching though douchebag.


....and yes, I understand why some Asians would be offended by the picture. Obviously your advanced intellect couldn't see that I was merely questioning why a design on a hideous shoe that I wouldn't be caught dead in turned into a 4 page long argument in which you assert that the whole universe is racist.

actually, my advanced intellect saw that your first post in the thread had nothing to do with the actual topic and more on the thread starter, but nice try junior.


and i don't really think that the entire universe nor most of the people on this site are racist. ignorant/uninformed as hell, maybe. but racist? no, they're not the one's putting out the shoe. you come from a point of view that could never possibly understand what it means to be caricatured on a large scale level.

macallan25 04-17-2006 10:28 PM

What exactly is my point of view...since you know so much about me. My white point of view? Is that what you are trying to say?

starang21 04-17-2006 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
What exactly is my point of view...since you know so much about me. My white point of view? Is that what you are trying to say?
well, if that's how you want to take it. white people have never been caricatured in a large scale like people of color in this country. particularly ignorant ones such as this.

macallan25 04-17-2006 10:51 PM

No, that seems to be your point of view, that white people have never been caricatured in this country like colored people. Interesting. Now if you could tell me what my point of view is that'd be great.

starang21 04-17-2006 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
colored people
:eek:

well, i guess that comment is par for the course.

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Originally posted by macallan25
Now if you could tell me what my point of view is that'd be great.
you're slower than i thought. jeez, and here i thought you'd be able to catch on. you couldn't even concieve being the victim of prejudice on a large scale. you probably don't even think white priviledge exists either.

macallan25 04-17-2006 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
people of color in this country.
Oh, i'm sorry.....I thought you said the same thing.

Quote:

you're slower than i thought. jeez, and here i thought you'd be able to catch on. you couldn't even concieve being the victim of prejudice on a large scale. you probably don't even think white priviledge exists either
What the hell are you talking about. You responded with one of your own views. Yes, I understand that I wouldn't know what it feels like to be the victim of prejudice on a large scale. No, I have never been caricatured to the degree of some "people of color." Have I been stereotyped by people as a prototypical preppy "white boy"...sure. You claimed that I "come from a point of view that could never possibly understand......."

I asked you what my point of view was, since you obviously thought you knew.....and you have yet to answer my question.


..............and i'm glad you know how to spell privilege

starang21 04-17-2006 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
Oh, i'm sorry.....I thought you said the same thing.
huge difference between people of color and colored people. but then again, you wouldn't understand anyway. much like the rest of this conversation..it'll go over your head.

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Originally posted by macallan25
I asked you what my point of view was, since you obviously thought you knew.....and you have yet to answer my question.
actually, i have answered your question. not my fault you lack the facilities to grasp it.

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
Yes, I understand that I wouldn't know what it feels like to be the victim of prejudice on a large scale. No, I have never been caricatured to the degree of some "people of color."

well, hold up now....lookee here. you might actually figure it out after all. maybe you're not as slow as you come off. nahhhhh.......

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Originally posted by macallan25
..............and i'm glad you know how to spell privilege

lol, uhhhh watch out now, don't hurt yourself. is this another attempt to add something to discussion?

starang21 04-17-2006 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
...And no, I don't believe in white privilege. I believe in hard work and making something of yourself. The sociological creation of white privilege is nothing more than a bull shit excuse by people who, again, try to do any and everything to blame their misfortunes on someone or somthing else. My family has enjoyed their successes through hard work...not the fact that they were white.
you don't have to. you benefit from it everyday.

http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac...Unpacking.html


get educated.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

macallan25 04-17-2006 11:41 PM

What point of view do I "come from." You didn't answer shit. All you stated was that I don't know how it feels to be caricatured/stereotyped/prejudiced. I'm sorry that you lack the mental capacity to revert back to one of your own fucking comments. Nothing you have said is over my head.

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Originally posted by starang21
you come from a point of view that could never possibly understand what it means to be caricatured on a large scale level.
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huge difference between people of color and colored people.
I don't know why, but this made me laugh.

starang21 04-17-2006 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
What point of view do I "come from." You didn't answer shit. All you stated was that I don't know how it feels to be caricatured/stereotyped/prejudiced. I'm sorry that you lack the mental capacity to revert back to one of your own fucking comments. Nothing you have said is over my head.





I don't know why, but this made me laugh.

....As far as the white privilege thing. No I don't believe in it, since you asked. I believe in hard work. My family didn't get to where they are now and are not enjoying their successes because they are white. Frankly, I think it is a sociological bullshit excuse that comes from the same people that blame their failures and misfortunes on any and everyone but themselves.

i don't know, but since you've admitted that you've never been stereotyped nor experienced prejudice...i'd say the answer to that seems pretty cut and dry. you, nor the rest of white america have ever been discriminated against, nor felt discrimnation/racism/prejudice on a large scale. but yet you keep on asking, so i'll keep answering. i guess you ARE slower than i thought. well, i thought i dumbed it down a lot for you, but i guess i'll have to put it into simple one syllable words.


you.

have.

no.

concept.

to.

understand.

whoops...that was more than one syllable, but i'm sure you got the giest.


why are you cursing? are you lacking the intellectual power to articulate co-herent words because you're not intelligent enough to grasp my posts?

macallan25 04-18-2006 12:06 AM

You are simply unbelieveable. You resort to petty insults centering around my ability to comprehend what you keep typing out when, in fact, you still have not realized that what you said to me has yet to be explained. Realizing that I am not caricatured or stereotyped may have something to do with the point of view that I may have on a subject...a point of view that you claim I "come from." Obviously if I came under the constrains of some of these actions I might feel differently about things. You, however, claimed that you knew what my point of view was and where I come from, so I asked you to tell me what I was thinking concerning the matter. You can keep trying to convince yourself that you are over my head, but the fact that you can't answer a simple question speaks volumes. I don't care what I do or don't have to deal with. The truth to the matter is that you made a brash statment and you can't back it up.


....And do you think that an article from a feminist women's studies teacher is going to make me change my mind? Personally, I don't agree with about 98% of the 50 things she listed. In fact, I find them pretty ridiculous.

# 3, 5, 1, 12, 26, 17, 33, 39, 43, 44, 46, 48 , 49........These are a few that I found totally ridiculous.

starang21 04-18-2006 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
You are simply unbelieveable. You resort to petty insults centering around my ability to comprehend what you keep typing out when, in fact, you still have not realized that what you said to me has yet to be explained. Realizing that I am not caricatured or stereotyped may have something to do with the point of view that I may have on a subject...a point of view that you claim I "come from." Obviously if I came under the constrains of some of these actions I might feel differently about things. You, however, claimed that you knew what my point of view was and where I come from, so I asked you to tell me what I was thinking concerning the matter. You can keep trying to convince yourself that you are over my head, but the fact that you can't answer a simple question speaks volumes. I don't care what I do or don't have to deal with. The truth to the matter is that you made a brash statment and you can't back it up.


....And do you think that an article from a feminist women's studies teacher is going to make me change my mind? Personally, I don't agree with about 98% of the 50 things she listed. In fact, I find them pretty ridiculous.

# 3, 5, 1, 12, 26, 17, 33, 39, 43, 44, 46, 48 , 49........These are a few that I found totally ridiculous.

petty insults? fool, look at your post history. the irony of your statements, lol.

my answers are over your head. it's not my fault you can't wrap your mind around it.

i'm not sure how many more times i can keep answering you. you yourself have already made it clear what viewpoint you were coming from, thus i don't even need to delve into that anymore.

the point of view you come from is of someone who has never experience the very things you've admitted to, dimwit.

Quote:

Originally posted by me
you, nor the rest of white america have ever been discriminated against, nor felt discrimnation/racism/prejudice on a large scale.

can it get anymore simple than that? damn, and here i thought you were at least quick enough for that. shit, now i definitely question the admissions process of your university. were you looking for something personal? uhhh no, you're a screen name to me.

now that being said, your original opinion on whether or not asians should give a shit is not only irrelevant, but also incorrect.....but i'm still confused....

first you say this....

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
And yes, WHO GIVES A SHIT? Its a shoe.
then you say this....


Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
I understand why some Asians would be offended by the picture.
did you have a change of heart? hmm..now if the rest of the people would be able to wrap their minds around that.



you don't have the validate Dr. McIntosh's article with words. the very fact that you benefit from them everyday validates them enough. you might want to do a little bit of research, though. the proof is in the pudding.

macallan25 04-18-2006 01:02 AM

You are an idiot, plain and simple.

Yes, who gives a shit. Its a shoe....that doesn't mean that I don't realize why someone would be offended by the picture. Change of heart...WTF? I think its ridiculous to argue about the racial undertones of a SHOE....that doesn't mean I don't understand why it has come across bad.

I am stunned.....

Yep, I'll take the blame for this one. I feel stupid that it has taken me this long to realize that you have done nothing more than make one big dumbass generalization. Yes sir.....since "me, nor white america has never been discriminated against or stereotyped on a large scale", you are automatically entitled to assert that you know exactly how I think and what school of thought I "come from." You are a fucking moron.

To top it all off you resort to your often used "college admissions process" insult. Seen that one a few times.

starang21 04-18-2006 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by macallan25
You are an idiot, plain and simple.

Yes, who gives a shit. Its a shoe....that doesn't mean that I don't realize why someone would be offended by the picture. Change of heart...WTF? I think its ridiculous to argue about the racial undertones of a SHOE....that doesn't mean I don't understand why it has come across bad.

I am stunned.....

Yep, I'll take the blame for this one. I feel stupid that it has taken me this long to realize that you have done nothing more than make one big dumbass generalization. Yes sir.....since "me, nor white america has never been discriminated against or stereotyped on a large scale", you are automatically entitled to assert that you know exactly how I think and what school of thought I "come from." You are a fucking moron.

To top it all off you resort to your often used "college admissions process" insult. Seen that one a few times.

your logical reasoning is obviously incredibly piss poor. you get all sensitive about throwing insults, yet and still you do the same. get it together, you mental midget.

and like i said, your opinion on whether or not to argue the racial prejudice of adidas is irrelevant because you're not of the group that has been offended. thus, whatever menial feeling that you have is rendered moot because of your perspective. so with that being said, the people's whose opinions "give a shit" are not white people's, because yours are not the ones being caricatured yet again. but then again, people like you love to interject stupidity and ignorance just to up their post count. this is your school of thought (or lack thereof) and concept working here, not mine. not my fault, you were so incredibly stupid that you were veered off the subject and went off on some insignificant tangent in the last few posts.

your school of thought is exactly what i said it was, and it is evident from the garbage content that you post. just because you're too stupid and too much of an imbecile to see it is neither here nor there to me.

like i said in a previous post....actually taking the time to sit here and explain anything above simple arithmetic is going to be a bust.

DSTCHAOS 04-18-2006 11:39 AM

Sorry for interrupting the internet love affair between starang and whateverhisnameis, but:

"Colored people" and "people of color" are not the same thing. Completely different references with completely different connotations.

Why are you wasting your time, starang?

Optimist Prime 04-18-2006 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Sorry for interrupting the internet love affair between starang and whateverhisnameis, but:

"Colored people" and "people of color" are not the same thing. Completely different references with completely different connotations.

Why are you wasting your time, starang?

They don't reference the same thing?

Its not nice to confuse the optimists. :(:confused:

macallan25 04-18-2006 06:42 PM

Sensitive? Do you think you are hurting my feelings by calling me a twit/dimwit/mental midget? Are you within the group that could be offended by a Chinese caricature on a shoe? Yeah, it took me a second to realize that you were doing nothing more than making ridiculous generalizations about the view points of White America simply because some of us may have not been stereotyped or the victims of a caricature. That is all that you have stated, nothing more, nothing less. I hardly think that makes anything you have posted meaningful or insightful. Who are you to say that a Chinese person would give a shit what some Black person thinks about a picture on a shoe. It seems to me that you have made yourself some supreme representation of all things race...why? I don't know. For whatever reason you feel that you can speak of the view points and feelings of different "people of color" is beyond me.

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
your logical reasoning is obviously incredibly piss poor. you get all sensitive about throwing insults, yet and still you do the same. get it together, you mental midget.

and like i said, your opinion on whether or not to argue the racial prejudice of adidas is irrelevant because you're not of the group that has been offended. thus, whatever menial feeling that you have is rendered moot because of your perspective. so with that being said, the people's whose opinions "give a shit" are not white people's, because yours are not the ones being caricatured yet again. but then again, people like you love to interject stupidity and ignorance just to up their post count. this is your school of thought (or lack thereof) and concept working here, not mine. not my fault, you were so incredibly stupid that you were veered off the subject and went off on some insignificant tangent in the last few posts.

your school of thought is exactly what i said it was, and it is evident from the garbage content that you post. just because you're too stupid and too much of an imbecile to see it is neither here nor there to me.

like i said in a previous post....actually taking the time to sit here and explain anything above simple arithmetic is going to be a bust.


starang21 04-18-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Sorry for interrupting the internet love affair between starang and whateverhisnameis, but:

"Colored people" and "people of color" are not the same thing. Completely different references with completely different connotations.

Why are you wasting your time, starang?

my community service for the day, lol.

hewwo.

starang21 04-18-2006 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
Sensitive? Do you think you are hurting my feelings by calling me a twit/dimwit/mental midget? Are you within the group that could be offended by a Chinese caricature on a shoe? Yeah, it took me a second to realize that you were doing nothing more than making ridiculous generalizations about the view points of White America simply because some of us may have not been stereotyped or the victims of a caricature. That is all that you have stated, nothing more, nothing less. I hardly think that makes anything you have posted meaningful or insightful. Who are you to say that a Chinese person would give a shit what some Black person thinks about a picture on a shoe. It seems to me that you have made yourself some supreme representation of all things race...why? I don't know. For whatever reason you feel that you can speak of the view points and feelings of different "people of color" is beyond me.
you are indeed quite sensitive. your generalizations about my race show your ignorance to your surroundings, lol. do a search, i'm sure someone on here has made some sort of issue about my ethnicity, hell i'm sure someone's started a thread on it or it's part of the FAQ's.

go on and on about my ridiculous generalizations..but the fact of the matter is that what i've said is true. but regardless of whether or not i am asian is a moot point, the point is that the caricature is foolish, ignorant and irresponsible.

now back to the subject, as one who is a part of the race being caricatured....this right chea is proof positive how white americans marginalize prejudice and bigotry against asian americans.

"perpetual foreigner" syndrome. ~ dr. frank wu

macallan25 04-18-2006 07:57 PM

Not trying to be ignorant. Maybe I don't feel like delving into a search on GC concerning your race. I just asked if you were within the group. Not that big of a deal. I am not trying to make an issue out of your ethnicity.

I would think that you could maybe look at bigger issues as a way to showcase how white american "marganalize prejudice and bigotry against asian americans." Maybe its just because i'm and "ignorant white boy", but I just don't see a butt ugly pair of shoes as a foolish, ignorant, and irresponsible issue in the grand scheme of things concerning racism and bigotry.

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
you are indeed quite sensitive. your generalizations about my race show your ignorance to your surroundings, lol. do a search, i'm sure someone on here has made some sort of issue about my ethnicity, hell i'm sure someone's started a thread on it or it's part of the FAQ's.

go on and on about my ridiculous generalizations..but the fact of the matter is that what i've said is true. but regardless of whether or not i am asian is a moot point, the point is that the caricature is foolish, ignorant and irresponsible.

now back to the subject, as one who is a part of the race being caricatured....this right chea is proof positive how white americans marginalize prejudice and bigotry against asian americans.

"perpetual foreigner" syndrome. ~ dr. frank wu


starang21 04-18-2006 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
Not trying to be ignorant. Maybe I don't feel like delving into a search on GC concerning your race. I just asked if you were within the group. Not that big of a deal. I am not trying to make an issue out of your ethnicity.

I would think that you could maybe look at bigger issues as a way to showcase how white american "marganalize prejudice and bigotry against asian americans." Maybe its just because i'm and "ignorant white boy", but I just don't see a butt ugly pair of shoes as a foolish, ignorant, and irresponsible issue in the grand scheme of things concerning racism and bigotry.

you're the one who said you're an "ignorant white boy," not me. but i guess if the shoes fits, wear it. not pun intended.

yes, the shoes are ugly...but like i said, you don't have to see the prejudice in them because plenty of asian americans do. and even if you do, the fact that you're marginalizing them is a prime example of exactly what i'm talking about.

prejudice/discrimination/ect. isn't only an isolated issue such as this, caricatures such as this have been going on for years, most recently the abercrombie shirts or the gay vs. asian article in details a few years ago. or even the numerous "ching chong" jokes done by high profile people such as stephen colbert, adam corolla, and shaquille o'neal. this is not a small issue, but yet another example at how white americans view asians as the silent minority, and how we're not allowed to rock the boat in a sea of ignorance.

the "coolie" perpetuated.


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