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starang21 04-16-2006 04:37 PM

Asians protest stereotype on Adidas Shoe
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041301886.html

Image of Shoe

http://japundit.com/images/fong.jpg

Private I 04-16-2006 08:28 PM

oddly enough for my globalism class I just read how Adidas was specifically reaching out to Asia via their marketing skills, similar to how Puma focused on Europe. I guess this one seriously backfired! Someone's getting fired...

Rudey 04-16-2006 10:14 PM

I'm thinking of buying it.

-Rudey

Kevin 04-16-2006 10:51 PM

So the artist who is half-chinese draws a caricature of himself in the 8th grade? That's racist?

Someone is really stretching to find a cause here.

_Opi_ 04-17-2006 12:38 AM

Re: Asians protest stereotype on Adidas Shoe
 
That's not cool at all.

Taualumna 04-17-2006 12:42 AM

Looks kinda like a chipmunk

starang21 04-17-2006 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
So the artist who is half-chinese draws a caricature of himself in the 8th grade? That's racist?

Someone is really stretching to find a cause here.


actually, they're not...because whether or not this guy is half chinese....this caricature perpetuates ignorant and negative stereotypes of asian people.

mulattogyrl 04-17-2006 08:11 AM

From reading the article, I can understand the caricature from the artist's point of view, HOWEVER, if I saw a sneaker with a caricature of Buckwheat on it, I might have a problem. So I understand both sides of the argument. I think I'm more offended it's connected with the 'Yellow' line moreso than the caricature.

Kevin 04-17-2006 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
actually, they're not...because whether or not this guy is half chinese....this caricature perpetuates ignorant and negative stereotypes of asian people.
I don't see any stereotypes at all. I'm not really aware of too many asian stereotypes not having to do with tricked out Hondas and good grades.

Which ignorant stereotypes are portrayed here?

Rudey 04-17-2006 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
From reading the article, I can understand the caricature from the artist's point of view, HOWEVER, if I saw a sneaker with a caricature of Buckwheat on it, I might have a problem. So I understand both sides of the argument. I think I'm more offended it's connected with the 'Yellow' line moreso than the caricature.
Kinda like calling people black or white?

This is such a huge injustice - buck teeth and yellow skin. Too bad this is the image of the artist and too bad that injustice really is...nothing?

-Rudey

starang21 04-17-2006 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I don't see any stereotypes at all. I'm not really aware of too many asian stereotypes not having to do with tricked out Hondas and good grades.

Which ignorant stereotypes are portrayed here?

well expose yourself to more asian folks. though i doubt there are any in oklahoma. this looks like the charlie chan caricature.

bucktoothed, slant-eyed, and bowl-haired.

starang21 04-17-2006 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Kinda like calling people black or white?

This is such a huge injustice - buck teeth and yellow skin. Too bad this is the image of the artist and too bad that injustice really is...nothing?

-Rudey

your intellectual inadequacies are too profound to wrap around this concept.

mulattogyrl 04-17-2006 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Kinda like calling people black or white?

This is such a huge injustice - buck teeth and yellow skin. Too bad this is the image of the artist and too bad that injustice really is...nothing?

-Rudey

No, not like calling people black or white. I personally don't describe Asian people as 'yellow'. Maybe you do, my bad. I already said I'm not offended by the caricature because from the artist's point of view, that's how he looked when he was young. Unfortunately, it's a stereotype of Asians, which is why some people are upset.

Rudey 04-17-2006 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
No, not like calling people black or white. I personally don't describe Asian people as 'yellow'. Maybe you do, my bad. I already said I'm not offended by the caricature because from the artist's point of view, that's how he looked when he was young. Unfortunately, it's a stereotype of Asians, which is why some people are upset.
A handful of Asians are upset and maybe a couple of pacific islanders, who are looked down upon by Asians, here or there.

Really it's not much of an issue.

The shoes will sell to people who like them just because people are willing to pay for shoes, especially limited edition ones. Just like how bape shoes sell so well here :)

-Rudey

mulattogyrl 04-17-2006 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
A handful of Asians are upset and maybe a couple of pacific islanders, who are looked down upon by Asians, here or there.

Really it's not much of an issue.

The shoes will sell to people who like them just because people are willing to pay for shoes, especially limited edition ones. Just like how bape shoes sell so well here :)

-Rudey

I think they'll probably sell too. WTH are bape shoes?

AlphaFrog 04-17-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
I already said I'm not offended by the caricature because from the artist's point of view, that's how he looked when he was young. Unfortunately, it's a stereotype of Asians, which is why some people are upset.
The problem is that your point of view requires that a person actually find out the whole story before they start getting all offended, and people don't want to do that.

I remember in college we did Gilbert & Sullivan's "The Mikado", which required the entire cast to "dress yellowface". We had a person write a letter to the school paper about us being racist for doing "yellowface". The problem comes when you actually do research on the show, at the time it was written in England, Japanese was a "fad". Many British had the screens and fans in their homes as decoration. The show even includes a joke where the entire chorus sings "The Japanese equivilant for Here! Here! Here!". So, it was making fun of someone - the British. They were making fun of their own culture.

Oh, and later in that person's letter, they included - if you had done Porgy & Bess, you wouldn't have dressed in "Blackface". Ummm...yes, we would of, Porgy & Bess would NOT make sense with WHITE people!!!!!

Rudey 04-17-2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
I think they'll probably sell too. WTH are bape shoes?
Hah

http://www.bape.com/
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/shop...penings/10734/

-Rudey

starang21 04-17-2006 01:23 PM

this is proof positive that white people discount asian's views on racism as paltry.


i wonder what would happen is they had an arab on a shoe and called it "camel jockey - 2000"

starang21 04-17-2006 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
A handful of Asians are upset and maybe a couple of pacific islanders, who are looked down upon by Asians, here or there.

Really it's not much of an issue.

The shoes will sell to people who like them just because people are willing to pay for shoes, especially limited edition ones. Just like how bape shoes sell so well here :)

-Rudey


actually, a large amount of asians are upset about this.

starang21 04-17-2006 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
The problem is that your point of view requires that a person actually find out the whole story before they start getting all offended, and people don't want to do that.

I remember in college we did Gilbert & Sullivan's "The Mikado", which required the entire cast to "dress yellowface". We had a person write a letter to the school paper about us being racist for doing "yellowface". The problem comes when you actually do research on the show, at the time it was written in England, Japanese was a "fad". Many British had the screens and fans in their homes as decoration. The show even includes a joke where the entire chorus sings "The Japanese equivilant for Here! Here! Here!". So, it was making fun of someone - the British. They were making fun of their own culture.

Oh, and later in that person's letter, they included - if you had done Porgy & Bess, you wouldn't have dressed in "Blackface". Ummm...yes, we would of, Porgy & Bess would NOT make sense with WHITE people!!!!!

your perspective on what asians find offensive is irrelevant. who are you to tell people what they should be offended about considering the fact that this is an old stereotype/caricature that was originated long ago.

AlphaFrog 04-17-2006 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
your perspective on what asians find offensive is irrelevant. who are you to tell people what they should be offended about considering the fact that this is an old stereotype/caricature that was originated long ago.
If my perspective on what Asians find offensive is irrelevant, then your perspective on what blacks find offensive is just as irrelevant, and yet you persist that you are an expert in that field. Either way: :rolleyes:

starang21 04-17-2006 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
If my perspective on what Asians find offensive is irrelevant, then your perspective on what blacks find offensive is just as irrelevant, and yet you persist that you are an expert in that field. Either way: :rolleyes:
i'm pretty sure a lot of black folks think my opinion is irrelevant. either way, that's neither here nor there so nice try at changing the subject, twit. actually, i don't act as if i'm anything....you're the one who does that. but your severe ignorance shows that you don't have the capacity to actually even comment on either subject.

AchtungBaby80 04-17-2006 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
So the artist who is half-chinese draws a caricature of himself in the 8th grade? That's racist?

Someone is really stretching to find a cause here.

Knowing that, I wouldn't think it was too bad...but if I had just randomly seen it on a shoe I would probably have thought it was in poor taste. Well, I still sort of think it is--not everyone is going to know that it's not just some non-Asian guy's interpretation of what Asians look like.

AlphaFrog 04-17-2006 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
i'm pretty sure a lot of black folks think my opinion is irrelevant. either way, that's neither here nor there so nice try at changing the subject, twit. actually, i don't act as if i'm anything....you're the one who does that. but your severe ignorance shows that you don't have the capacity to actually even comment on either subject.
I repeat: :rolleyes: Especially at the "twit" comment. At least I don't have the "ignorance" to resort to childish name-calling. Keep on living.


Oh, and even though I'm "unqualified" to say what should and should not offend Asians, I believe that if you know the back-story, this is not offensive. But people don't take that kind of time to find out the back-story, therefore it is offensive.

Kevin 04-17-2006 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
well expose yourself to more asian folks. though i doubt there are any in oklahoma. this looks like the charlie chan caricature.

bucktoothed, slant-eyed, and bowl-haired.

So you think that it's okay to expose your own ignorance while decrying someone else's supposed ignorance?

Oklahoma City has an extremely high population of Vietnamese (one of the highest per capita in the nation). We also have a substantial number of chinese. OKC due to its lower cost of living has been a favorite destination point for new immigrants for quite some times, but especially in 1975 when many evacuees of South Vietnam ended up in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, eventually migrating here.

So, I guess ignorance is cool with you so long as it's not a self-portrait drawn by a fellow asian?

AlphaFrog 04-17-2006 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake

So, I guess ignorance is cool with you so long as it's not a self-portrait drawn by a fellow asian?

:cool: Duh ktsnake. He can say whatever he wants on this topic, because he's Asian, and it's Gospel. Our "cracker" opinions don't count.:p

wrigley 04-17-2006 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake

Oklahoma City has an extremely high population of Vietnamese (one of the highest per capita in the nation). We also have a substantial number of chinese. OKC due to its lower cost of living has been a favorite destination point for new immigrants for quite some times, but especially in 1975 when many evacuees of South Vietnam ended up in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, eventually migrating here.

Could the high numbers also be attributed to the fact that most Asians stayed after being at Fort Hill for the required stay at internement camps during WWII?

I find it hard to believe that company like Adidas didn't do some kind of focus groups to determine that Asians would be offended at this caricature when the prototype was made. If Asian-Americans don't agree, they have every right to speak their mind and with their wallets not to buy the shoes.

starang21 04-17-2006 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
So you think that it's okay to expose your own ignorance while decrying someone else's supposed ignorance?

Oklahoma City has an extremely high population of Vietnamese (one of the highest per capita in the nation). We also have a substantial number of chinese. OKC due to its lower cost of living has been a favorite destination point for new immigrants for quite some times, but especially in 1975 when many evacuees of South Vietnam ended up in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, eventually migrating here.

So, I guess ignorance is cool with you so long as it's not a self-portrait drawn by a fellow asian?

actually, ignorance and prejudice is never cool with me. regardless of who draws it. and for adidas to actually profit from prejudice shows what kind of company they are. not sure about you, but i have a problem with it. how am i exposing my own ignorance? this is a historical caricature that has been used in the white media for decades. research it.

Tom Earp 04-17-2006 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
actually, ignorance and prejudice is never cool with me. regardless of who draws it. and for adidas to actually profit from prejudice shows what kind of company they are. not sure about you, but i have a problem with it. how am i exposing my own ignorance? this is a historical caricature that has been used in the white media for decades. research it.
Is there not ignorance shown by Your Many Posts?

We all may make jokes about Color or Religion, but not to an extrem as You Do.:confused:

So some one makes jokes about Honkeys? Do I care, Not a Whit Twit.

Get with the real world of working together or get the hell out of it!:mad:

Oh Sorry, this is the kinder and genteler Me not trying to spake!

Rascist, who is more racist, DAR!:rolleyes:

starang21 04-17-2006 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I repeat: :rolleyes: Especially at the "twit" comment. At least I don't have the "ignorance" to resort to childish name-calling. Keep on living.


Oh, and even though I'm "unqualified" to say what should and should not offend Asians, I believe that if you know the back-story, this is not offensive. But people don't take that kind of time to find out the back-story, therefore it is offensive.


not offensive to whom? obviously from your posts, you have no concept of prejudice or bigotry. regardless of what the backstory is, plenty of asians find this offensive. if you knew the backstory of the prejudice that has been prevalent throughout the history of this nation, you would find this offensive. irrelevant of whether or not the artist is asian.

starang21 04-17-2006 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Is there not ignorance shown by Your Many Posts?

We all may make jokes about Color or Religion, but not to an extrem as You Do.:confused:

So some one makes jokes about Honkeys? Do I care, Not a Whit Twit.

Get with the real world of working together or get the hell out of it!:mad:

Oh Sorry, this is the kinder and genteler Me not trying to spake!

Rascist, who is more racist, DAR!:rolleyes:

i didn't make jokes about white people, moron. get a clue.

starang21 04-17-2006 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
poor taste.
thats exactly what it is. whether or not the artist is half asian.

mulattogyrl 04-17-2006 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
not offensive to whom? obviously from your posts, you have no concept of prejudice or bigotry. regardless of what the backstory is, plenty of asians find this offensive. if you knew the backstory of the prejudice that has been prevalent throughout the history of this nation, you would find this offensive. irrelevant of whether or not the artist is asian.
I agree, the artist being Asian has nothing to do with it. People, both Asians and non-Asians, can still take offense to it. That's their right. The part that makes me understand it a little more is the fact that he was drawing himself. Unfortunately, that fit a stereotype that is offensive to many people. Adidas should have researched this more.

PiKA2001 04-17-2006 05:42 PM

The guy who designed the shoe is an artist. Puma does the same thing, get some beatnik artist to design a tennis shoe and sell it for $500. Artists are always blurring the lines between what is and isn't acceptable. And for Adidas, a company trying to win the cash of the hipsters and trendsetters, censoring an artist would not work in their favor.

macallan25 04-17-2006 06:01 PM

Its a tennis shoe....who gives a flying shit. And starang21, you exposed your ignorance with your dumbass comment about there not being any Asians in Oklahoma. The fact that you obviously really like to hear the sound of your own voice, coupled with you incessant rants on a completely ridiculous subject is really quite sickening. Do you act/think/talk/present yourself like this on a regular, every day basis? If so...you need to be bitch slapped.

starang21 04-17-2006 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macallan25
Its a tennis shoe....who gives a flying shit. And starang21, you exposed your ignorance with your dumbass comment about there not being any Asians in Oklahoma. The fact that you obviously really like to hear the sound of your own voice, coupled with you incessant rants on a completely ridiculous subject is really quite sickening. Do you act/think/talk/present yourself like this on a regular, every day basis? If so...you need to be bitch slapped.
who gives a shit? asians, twit. but then again, from an individual who makes comments about "typical" black strippers, your stupidity and ignorance make sense.

you're a simple individual who can't hang on any sort of mental plane for more than two seconds without drooling at the mouth. don't be mad because your mental deficiencies prove that you're not able to even contribute anything to the topic at hand.

starang21 04-17-2006 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PiKA2001
The guy who designed the shoe is an artist. Puma does the same thing, get some beatnik artist to design a tennis shoe and sell it for $500. Artists are always blurring the lines between what is and isn't acceptable. And for Adidas, a company trying to win the cash of the hipsters and trendsetters, censoring an artist would not work in their favor.

while i agree, in this instance....the picture itself long jumped over the line.

this is reminiscent of the abercrombie incident in '02 when ignorant t-shirts hit the shelves.

Tom Earp 04-17-2006 06:27 PM

Well, guess You Just Made Your Point oh Great Sage!:eek:

Who in the hell cares?:rolleyes:

starang21 04-17-2006 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Oklahoma City has an extremely high population of Vietnamese (one of the highest per capita in the nation). We also have a substantial number of chinese. OKC due to its lower cost of living has been a favorite destination point for new immigrants for quite some times, but especially in 1975 when many evacuees of South Vietnam ended up in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, eventually migrating here.

define extremely high. in 2000, there were approximately 12500 vietnamese in OKC. that's less than 1 percent of the total vietnamese population in the united states. hardly what i'd call substantial. approximately double of what the chinese population is. which is also less than a quarter of a percentage of the total population.

starang21 04-17-2006 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Well, guess You Just Made Your Point oh Great Sage!:eek:

Who in the hell cares?:rolleyes:

if you don't care, don't click the link, idiot. there's a red x at the top right of the screen.


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