So What Happens Now?
 

Word tonight is that members of the Duke lacrosse team have been all but exonerated by DNA evidence. Other new evidence reported by defense attorneys further suggest that the accusations may be deliberately false.

Activists at Duke claim readiness to completely overturn any "culture" at Duke that displeases them. These ususal suspects always focus their attacks on fraternities and masculine athletics.
Fifty-five varsity athletes at Duke are members of eleven different IFC fraternities. Five Lacrosse players are fraternity men: Kappa Alpha and Delta Sigma Phi.

So what happens now?
Where does the Lacrosse team go to get their season back?
Where does the lacrosse coach go to get his professional reputation restored?
Will the flase accusers be charged, or will they be ignored so as not to offend the activists?
Will fraternities and athletics be attacked now by activist faculty in spite of the indicators that the greatest wrong was done by the false accuser?

This issue hits close to home.

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Lack of DNA evidence does not mean that a sexual assault did not occur.

It also doesnt mean that a friend of a lacrosse player committed a crime, and the players are covering for that person or persons.

If the DNA doesn't fit, you must acquit.

But yeah, I suppose it's possible that a player is "covering" for someone else who was present at the scene.

Unless that person's presence can be shown to exist, and in light of some of the other evidence (that the injuries were incurred before the alleged incedent), the claims of this woman are looking shakey. The real tragedy here is that these guys were guilty in many people's eyes before a single shred of evidence came to light.

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She has a point.... I mean, if they all wore condoms there would be no DNA evidence, right?

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Unfortunately most people are too quick to think that no DNA = no rape. They forget about condoms.

And even more unfortunate, this makes this case even more murky. If she did lie, I hope that she is punished. But if she's telling the truth, it is scary and unfortunate that those who did it to her may not be able to be punished.

None of us know what happened for certain.

My guess/hope is that eventually someone (or several someones) from the team will crack and come forward with more information about what really happened.

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If they wore condoms, where did the DNA evidence that came back negative come from?

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Strippers are allowed to have boyfriends/hook up buddies. Maybe she got some before she went dancing, or from the night before. We don't know.

They covered that today on Fox News. They said something like spermicidal residue can stay for up to three days on the girl, so they would have been able to find that out. Everyone pretty much concluded that the stripper probobly screwed her boyfriend and nothing more. They also had on some dumbass activist that said she was right in crying rape because, "she was probobly scared from the slurs that were yelled at her."
The fact is, the dumb bitch significantly altered the lives of quite a few men on the lacrosse team and caused one of the best coaches in the country to quit his job, not to mention the season that was cancelled....which would make me pretty f*cking mad if I were a senior.

Not all condoms contain spermicide

Do rape kits test for spermicide? I don't necessarily know why they would.

*Disclaimer, before someone tries to attack me- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Neither do you. But there are a lot of holes in both sides*

Oh, I wasn't attacking you, I think I was typing that when you posted. I can't really remember what they said...but the condom question was asked on Fox News and one of the analysts said something about some kind of residue that is left from it that can stick around for like three days.....which would have been discovered by the hospital I guess since she had the tests done immediately.

Attorneys match no DNA to lacrosse players



Kddani is right though. There are holes on both sides, and no one will ever truly know what happened. But if these kids get exonerated, and if I were them, I would sue the hell out of all those organizations for defamation.

It's not just DNA from sperm. Samples were taken from all over the body.

On top of that they haven't found traces of latex or lubricants and another hooker/escort is saying something that conflicts with the first hooker's story.

Is this a repeat of the Al Sharpton/Tiwana Brawley incident?

-Rudey

What are the holes on the LAX players side?

-Rudey

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So you say you don't know what happened but imply that a rape did occur and a player will come forward?

-Rudey

Will this be another Tawana Brawley story?

Real original.

-Rudey

"District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

"I believe a sexual assault took place," Nifong told The News & Observer of Raleigh on Monday. "I'm not saying it's over. If that's what they expect, they will be sadly disappointed."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191232,00.html

Funny how he said they were guilty before even pressing charges?

If he has evidence, charge them and present the evidence.

-Rudey

Absolutely. That's his job. If he believes he has a case, he will. He won't until he's comfortable with the case and nobody can hurry him.

Pretty much all I see is a complete liar. I don't know why the media tried to play this as a stereotype, seeing as I always saw it as black men raping white woman, not vice versa. Either way, this story was ridiculous. There's a lot more proof that she wasn't raped besides this DNA. The kids lawyer has a whole mess of proof, I'll look around to find it.

Here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12242239/from/RSS/

Or maybe he'll just get everyone to consider them guilty so he has enough jurors to rule in his favor?

Innocent until proven guilty. They haven't been charged so they're extra innocent.

-Rudey

I believe it's more accurate to say that they're presumed innocent.

I was wondering if being "extra" innocent is anything like being a "little" pregnant?

Yep, I see a complete liar aswell. Poor black crackhead stripper couldnt get anyone to listen to her tattle tale on a bunch of white guys berating her while doing a strip show (like thats out of the ordinary for strippers) so she cries rape in order to cause a scene, in the end hoping that she has a good enough case to sue. God forbid she try to make money legitimately. Conveniently, there were no bouncers or pimps, whichever you prefer, at the time of the show...which even adds to the unlikeliness that anything happened. Serves her right.

Looking at the bigger picture, this is another case that is being tried by the media rather than in court, just like OJ, Scott Petersen, the Yates lady, etc. It's a disturbing trend and I think it is interfering with our justice system. Look at all the opinions, and nobody has even been charged yet.

Regardless of what happened or didn't happen, it is NOT appropriate to be calling this young BLACK woman some of the names that are being spouted in this thread.

A young woman was allegedly sexullaly assaulted. Does it matter what color her skin is?

No, but the fact that the epithets (" Poor black crackhead stripper ", "dumb bitch" posted by macallan25) were racially based does matter.

mccoyred, please clean out your PM box :)

I often wonder what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" in cases like this. No matter what happens, these guys will be labeled rapists for the rest of their life.

At the same time, it's not right to call this woman the names she's been called around here until she's been proven to be a liar.

Wow, interesting comments in this thread.

The fact remains that the only folks who know what happened are not on this board, so calling folks vicious names is not helping anyone. Let's try to keep this conversation adult and civilized.

As for Rudey, I personally feel that Tawanna Bradley was raped, and she got no justice. So yes, this could be another Bradley situation, where a young woman goes on trial instead of her alleged attackers.

I never said that it was, and I never defended the things that have been said about her.

Ah yes, it's better to just have some people on ignore. My list grew exponentially after the fratty board shipped it's people over here.

I'm not really sure if I'm reading your post correctly or not. I am assuming that you are saying that traditionally, the 'stereotype' that you have been taught is that black men are out to rape white women rather than the reverse (and I'm also assuming that you are referring to this only as a stereotype and not as anything that you actually believe for fact). However, in our nation's history there has been a considerable legacy of rape of black women by white males. This is a practice that has widely been acknowledged as a part of slavery and the many years that followed. I believe that this is why you are seeing it mentioned so frequently in the media.

Well this is really a requirement for jurors when deciding on the outcome of a case. It is not a requirement for public opinion. That may be unfortunate as I am a fan of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, but I can't be mad at someone else who feels differently.

You can also think Tawana was an alien from Mars but it doesn't mean it's true. The courts did not agree, either in the criminal case or the lawsuits against Sharpton et al., and neither did the following evidence:

In the decision, the grand jury noted many inconsistencies in Brawley's story. Among these were the results of the rape kit, which did not indicate sexual assault. Also, despite her claim of having been held captive for days, Brawley was not suffering from exposure, was well nourished, and appeared to have brushed her teeth recently. There were no burns on her body, despite her clothing being charred. A shoe she was wearing was cut through, yet she had sustained no injuries to her foot. Testimony from her schoolmates indicated that she attended a local party during the time of her supposed abduction, and one witness claimed to have observed Brawley climbing into the garbage bag. An ex-boyfriend of Brawley's told Newsday that Brawley had admitted making the attack up.

A total of 180 witnesses were called during the trial. Brawley herself never testified. [2]

The motive Brawley may have had for faking the attack is not known. One hypothesis holds that Brawley, who skipped school to visit her incarcerated boyfriend the day of her disappearance, feared severe punishment from her stepfather, so she took the drastic step of staging an elaborate abduction. Few commentators believe she intended to create the media storm that resulted, but was instead swept up by a story that snowballed out of control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

-Rudey

Actually if someone lies and calls someone else a rapist, they deserve much worse than a few bad names. But then again that's IF that did happen and not REGARDLESS.

-Rudey

By comparing the cases, one would assume that the young woman in the Duke incident would have had an equally sinister reason for 'making up' the attack. I wait to see what it could be.

Is "dumb bitch" a racial epithet?

Was she poor? Was she a stripper? Did she turn this into an issue of black vs. white and thus make her being black very relevant?

Really, the investigation isn't done but from the beginning people have attacked these guys and said "Yeah I think they're rapists". That's not a mark you can take off easily if the investigation comes out against her. But the DA and the community chose to make this very public.

-Rudey

I don't know what happened. I am not saying it did or it didn't but based on the very important DNA I don't see any evidence to suggest it did. Plus they have pictures and testimony from another hooker. Of course if the guys did it, they deserve punishment. What happens if they didn't though? Who will be responsible and punished? Will the residents of the community? The Duke feminazis? The black leaders who jumped on the bandwagon?

-Rudey