United 93
 

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Has enough time passed to have a movie about 9/11?

Personally I don't know if I will watch it. I think watching it would just make me sad and depressed.

Tacky, tacky, tacky.:mad:

I don't understand why they're making yet another movie on Flight 93.

Why pay almost $10 to see it in theatres if A&E already showed it for free?

The made-for-tv version, which was only out a few months ago, was hard enough to watch. I did watch out of curiosity, but oh my God I've never cried so much during a movie. I can only imagine what the theatre version will be like. I don't think I can see that one in the theatre. If I do, it'll be with a box of tissues by my side.

Agreed. Quite honestly, why does it need to be made?

My husband and I saw the previews for it this past weekend in the theater. We both turned to each other and told each other we didn't want to see it. We weren't alone. The people behind us were saying the same thing.

It's too close to me NOT to see it.

I thought they already made a movie about this (for TV)? I saw it, but it was hard to watch. I don't know if enough time has passed to release this.....

For the same reasons that Pearl Harbor and any other true story about history is made. Althought it is a little early to be making a movie... I don't think 5 years has given enough time for people to mourn even though we'll all be mourning forever. But the way I see it is that the families, so far publicly, have not been against it, then why should we? They are the ones who have to see the last few minutes of their loved ones' lives played out by actors and actresses on a big screen.

If you go to the movie's website and go to the message board, people pose some very good opinions on why it is ok for the movie to be made. Like it or not (and I don't mean this to be insensitive altho it may sound like it) 9-11 is a part of history, just that we have all lived through and experienced it.

^^ Not to repeat, but to agree. My understanding is that each family member was asked first, and either none were against the project or the ones who did object will not be shown (it's hard to hear through a blow dryer!).

That's just part of how there's instant nostalgia now. I mean, I still can't believe there was a show called "I love the 90's" about things that didn't even happen 10 years ago. Obviously this is on the other side of the spectrum, but I believe it's symptomatic of the same thing.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Universal Pictures is standing by the promotional trailer for its upcoming 9/11 movie "United 93" despite audience complaints that caused one New York City theater to pull the advertisement off its screens.

Universal marketing president Adam Fogelson told Reuters on Tuesday that his team and the film's makers, including director Paul Greengrass, worked closely with the families of victims of the doomed United Airlines flight to ensure the movie and its marketing was sensitive to their concerns.

"We have received numerous e-mails (from family members) saying they appreciated the tone and sensitivity and honesty of the piece that is being presented," Fogelson said.

He added that the movie studio has no plans to change the trailer or make a new one as a substitute.

for full article..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060405/film_nm/united93_dc

Yesterday, on the Today Show, one of the producers of the film said that 10% of the proceeds for the first three days after the movie opens will be donated to the Flight 93 memorial fund (or something like that). Katie asked, "Is that enough?" Normally, I find Katie's interjections irritating, but I think she was spot-on in this instance. I mean really, IS that enough?

I don't think I would be so disturbed by the movie if I knew that it was being made for a purpose other than financial gain.

And, OTW referenced the A&E movie... I cried when I watched that, too. But then, once I started thinking about it, I thought, "This is doing nothing but helping terrorists know how to do a *better* job next time." They'll know the ways people found to fight back, and they'll minimize those options.

Am I the only one who is surprised that the government isn't trying to keep this information to themselves? Who knows, maybe they are, but it doesn't seem like anyone's doing anything to keep this info quiet, and it seems to me like it shouldn't be available to those who will take advantage of it.

I don't think enough time has passed to be making a movie about 9/11. But then, I didn't think enough time had passed between what happened to our troops in Somalia and "Blackhawk Down" being made, either.

I am going to a screening of this movie next Tuesday... I'll let you know how it is.

I think the situation is a little bit different......actually I think it is not even close.

The good thing is that people who think this movie shouldn't have been made at this time don't have to see it, and the people who want to see it can.

Me, either. That's why I will choose not to see it, but I know other people do not feel the same way and that's fine with me.

9/11 and flight 93 aside, the 90's was kind of a long time ago. Some of us were only kids then. :o

I saw the preview for this when I went to see Thank You for Smoking. I was a bit surprised to see it being previewed before Thank You... since most of the other previews that I saw were comedies. The preview alone made me cry, I'm gong to have to wait for video or bring an entire box of tissue to the theatre to watch United 93.

I don't think I could watch it. I couldn't even watch the entire trailer when it came out last week.

There's always the question of "how soon is too soon?" when movie producers want to make a movie about a tragedy, but I really don't think this one should have been made at all. This personally affected thousands of people and their families and even for those that didn't lose loved ones during 9/11, it's just so hard to have to relive everything you saw on the news... at least for me.

I want to see it.

Like PM_Mama00 said, whether we like it or not, 9-11 is a part of history. 5 years ago you had kids who weren't old enough to understand what the hell happened, that's not the case now. Whether we like it or not, it's already in the history books. This is probably a current event that is taught to high schoolers (depending on each states particular standards). As much as people need and want to mourn it, we need to teach it.

If it's not obvious by what I've said, I'm a teacher. My BA is in History. I plan on teaching History next year. I plan on getting my MA in History. So for me, being this History buff, I don't see a problem with it (the movie).

Yes, there are going to be people who aren't ready for this movie. I get that. There are going to be people who probably demand a boycott of it. Again, that's fine.

As a country, I don't think we will ever be over 9-11. The United States changed the day the towers fell. We can't change that.

The good thing about this movie, is that no one is being forced to see it.

Really? Aside from the obvious, how is the basic idea different? (Not being snarky; I'm really interested to know what you think)

Although I'm not macallan25 I'm going to take a guess that it's because the events of Somalia occured in 1993 and the movie was released in 2002, 9 years after the event. Plus, Somalia wasn't a quote on quote surprise attack.

Not to do a hijack, but all of the raids prior to this one the military did at night (it was actually stated in the movie the concern about going in broad daylight when the Somali's were all high on 'cot'). So, that in essence was an issue. The second issue is the fact of Wolcott's Black Hawk being shot down, had the copter not been shot down, I'm sure the men would have made it out of 'The Mog' relatively unscathed, but because it went down, it was now a rescue mission, which caused more lives to be lost. Yes, we lost men, 17, but they killed over 500 Somali, our casualities could have been considerabley worse.

Not that I want to diminish what happened in Somalia, by any stretch of the imagination, but comparing Somalia to 9-11 is like comparing apples to oranges.

We know 9-11 was a surprise attack. We lost nearly 3000 lives, a huge majority of them civilians. If 9-11 needs to be compared to anything it needs to be compared to Pearl Harbor.

I don't think any of these movies based on historical facts are easy to make, no matter the time frame. Hell, on my Pearl Harbor directors cut special edition DVD, there is a special feature talking to the survivors of Pearl Harbor and they still get chocked up about it, and it will be 65 years this year. Does that mean the movie shouldn't have been made? No, people will always have strong feelings about it. The same goes for 9-11.

I think what we need to remember is that the producers had/have the support of the families, to tell their loved one's story. Yes, 95% of it will be dramaticized because no one will ever know what really happened. All we know is the phone calls that were made. Those just give us a glimpse into what happened. And for me personally, I consider those people on Flight 93 heros. They knew about the other planes, they knew what was going to happen to them. They knew they were going to die. And they decided to take them down before they (the terrorists) could kill hundreds of other innocent lives. I really hope this movie honors them!

The 1993 Battle of Mogadishu that occurred during Operation Restore Hope resulted in the death of I think 18 Army Rangers and Delta Force combined. On the other side, we killed around 500 - 1000 Samalian Guerillas and injured around 3000-4000 civilians and small fighting units. Our losses were insignificant, allthough it was a large price to pay for an operation that should never have taken place. The outcome caused our then Secretary of Defense to step down and it caused a dramatic change in how the US would conduct foreign policy in 3rd World Countries.

Now, I was very young when the Somalia conflict occurred, so I can't comment on the rammifications of the outcome, but I would venture to say that it didn't affect the lives of Americans nearly as much as 9/11, in which thousands of Americans died right in front of our eyes. This is even without mentioning the reports, conflicts, stories, etc. etc. that followed.

To me the movie Black Hawk Down wasn't at all inappropriate. If it upset anyone with its release it was more than likely Somalians.

I guess I am trying to say that, to me, the lasting affects that 9/11 has had on all of us is far greater than 18 American Soldiers getting killed in action. If anything, I think the lasting affects that the Battle of Mogadishu would have on people would come in the form of displeasure with the breakdown in policy.

I think most people went to go see Blackhawk Down to be entertained, mayble learn a little something, but nonetheless, to be entertained. I can't even imagine thinking that if I do choose to see United 93. I would kind of compare it to seeing Passion of Christ. Didn't have entertainment in mind when I sat down for that one.

Sorry, but I think this is a little silly. Terrorists don't need our re-enactment of an attack to help them figure out how to do it better next time. Not to sound crass, but 9-11 was a pretty brilliant plot in terms of logistics. It was huge and we were completely surprised (for the most part). Osama may be a whack job, but he's smart. He and his cronies don't need any help planning their next attack. Unfortunately, it's probably already figured out...:(

All that said, the movie doesn't bother me at all. I won't pay $10 to see it in the theatre, but I may rent it On-Demand when it's out that way. Just to save money, not for any big moral reason.

And why isn't there any discussion about the new Oliver Stone movie (I think it's Stone) with Nicolas Cage that's coming out soon? Are the same people going to be updet by that, or because it's big names they'll be okay with it?

I'm really upset that they keep making movies that suck, but that doesn't make it stop. :(

World Trade Center (it IS an Oliver Stone movie)

From IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/

I have to say, just by looking at the credits, I'm looking forward to this movie. I really like Maria Bello (ER and Coyote Ugly baby!).

After standing in my office and watching out the window as the Towers became two smoke stacks, then became engulfed in smoke/dust as they fell, then became smoldering piles of rubble and twisted metal; after gathering with my neighbors as we waited and prayed for everyone to return safely; after crying for the next door neighbor who left behind his wife, pregnant with their first child; after all the repeated media coverage and emails of pix of people jumping to their deaths - after all that I cannot watch ANY footage without reliving it all over again. I certainly will not PAY MONEY for the experience!! Will another 5 years make all that much of a difference? I don't think so. I'm not sure I want to be "over it" enough to view that nightmare as "entertainment."

I'm sorry, but if the 11 of September needs to be compared to anything is should be to the OKC bombing, which until NYC was the largest, deadliest terrorist attack on the US.

I'm honestly surprised that they waited this long to make a movie.

Your obviously welcome to your opinion, but I'm not sure I see the comparision.

I personally see OKC as a completely different event than 9-11 and PH. The only similarity between the three events is that they were all surprises.

Remember, we are going to look at things different (which is totally fine, different people), but I'm also looking at it historically. I mean I have my BA in History. I plan to start my MA History in Fall 07. I know that I'm looking at things differently because I'd like to do my thesis on 9-11 and PH (whether I can or not is a whole other issue :D).

I really hope I'm making sense but considering it is 11:22 at night I don't think I am

Okay- Pearl Harbor, militiary target by a nation's military force.

NYC & OKC- mass casuality terrorist attacks on civilian targets.

Yes, Pearl Harbor is SO much more like a terrorist attack on civilians than another terrorist attack on civilians.

I have a BS in PoliSci among others, I'm looking at this from a governmental perspective, but according to my (PhD in History) father, you're stretching to compare for your thesis.

I'm just a little uncomfortable with it, mainly because we're still fighting the "war" that it touched off. Movies about stuff that's over with (WWII, Vietnam, etc) is fine...but 9/11 is still directly affecting our world.

Also, I'm just sick of the hype. I swear, if I see one more trailer for this movie...

kstar- the best thing I can say is how about we agree to disagree. :D

I mean the point of this thread isn't whether OKC, 9-11 and PH are the same or not. It's about United 93, what those people did and the movie. :)

Did you ever feel like you were getting desensitized to it? Sometimes that's how I felt afterwords. I mean for weeks after, all the news stations could show, over and over, were the planes hitting and the towers falling. I hate to say this, but eventually I was yelling at the TV because I couldn't stand watching it anymore.

I know you weren't specifically asking me, but I'm replying anyway, sis. ;)

No. If I see pix or footage, I still well up or cry over it. I did when I posted last night. I get a lump in my throat when I'm on the GSP in Cranford, where I live, and look to the East and no longer see the WTC. When I had to take the PATH into the WTC station the first time, I was a mess by the time I reached Chase Plaza. (I still tear up when I have to go to that station.)

I think blueangel said it well:
I believe those who lived near the Pentagon and the PA crash site may have similar feelings.

No, the feelings I have now are just as strong as they were right after it happened. I will never be desensitized to it. The pain will never go away. I don't want to have to relive it all over again in a movie theater.