Rape of NCCU Student
 

Hey I would like to know what you all think about the recent controversy around the black NCCU student stripping for college tuition that was raped and beaten by 4 white Duke University lacrosse players and the party consisted of 40 of the teams members?

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Soror, just for the record, that was at Duke, not Central.

The student that was raped went to central but I can make the correction to include the school the boys went to.

Thanks

Rape (regardless of race or occupation) is vile and dispicable. I hope those responsible for such acts are held accountable.

I agree but the sad thing is that they are not being held accountable. They are still allowed to attend school and have not being suspended. I believe if the situation were turned it would be different. Much different.

40 witnessed 4 committed the crime but none of the players are talking, they are all sticking together and items of the young woman's was found at the house where the rape took place.

Now THAT I didn't know. But what I am hoping for is that justice will be served. I honestly haven't heard too much more about it since this has happened, because I haven't been watching/listening to the news lately.

Yeah they talked about it on the Russ Parr Morning Show and the issue is that none of the men were suspended pending the investigation or anything they decided as a team to stop their season and not play any more games but have not owned up to or confessed to their part in the act of beating and raping this young woman. They separated her and the other girl that was with her and then began to beat and rape her and while doing so they called her racial names. It is truly sad how much racism is alive and well. There are also witnesses that said they were called the N word just because they were sitting outside of the house hours earlier.

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OK...I have to ask this...

Would you care if it was a white girl who was raped by "40 White Duke Lacrosse players"???

If your answer is Yes - you would care - then why is this a race issue??????? I can't say for sure, but they probably would have raped whoever they hired - black, white, yellow or pink. It just happened to be a black girl in this case.

The issue is a GIRL was raped by several Lacrosse players and no one is stepping forward. Do you honestly believe that if the girl that was raped was white that magically someone would offer info or step forward???

Oh, and if you answered "No" to the original question, then I just have no more words for you.

More information on this site: http://www.nbc17.com/education/8446074/detail.html

Oh I am concerned about there being a rape that occurred but there is a problem when the victim is being blamed because of her job and it was not publicized until week later, mainly because of race and class. I hope there are no blinders in the world that will hide the fact that this is a race issue. Especially when items were found at that house and none of the males have been arrested. The question to you AlphaFrog is, if they were black do you think they would be arrested now?

No, I highly doubt they would have arrested an entire black Lacrosse team. I admit that they MIGHT have put a little more speed on the lab tests to get the DNA back so they could start making arrests.

That is unfortunate. Even if they would not have arrested the entire team some arrests would have been made. Clearly there is unjust in the criminal system and particularily when it comes to race and class. The fortunate get away with murder.

Please feel free to read the website information given in the previous posts to education yourself on more of the issues.

And what do you suggest might have been the rationale for conducting the tests with "a little more speed" had the team been black?

I agree, if it is not about race why would you make that statement AlphaFrog? :o

Race can play a factor and not be the ENTIRE issue.

No its not the entire issue but you can't get to the issue without dealing with race. That is the problem here and in America. We can't get to the issue because race always plays a factor!

Limbaugh called alleged Duke rape victim a "ho"
 

Summary: On his national syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh referred to the alleged victim of a rape by members of the Duke University lacrosse team as a "ho[]."

During the March 31 broadcast of his national syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh referred to the alleged victim of a rape by members of the Duke University lacrosse team as a "ho[]." During an on-air discussion with a caller, Limbaugh said that former Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton was "trying to figure out how he can get involved in the deal down there at Duke where the lacrosse team ... supposedly, you know, raped some, uh, hos." Limbaugh's made the comment about a recent incident in Durham, North Carolina, in which an exotic dancer was allegedly raped by three members of the Duke lacrosse team. The incident has invoked further controversy because the victim, an African-American, has alleged that her attackers used racial epithets. Prompted by another caller to apologize for his words, Limbaugh said that he had made the statement because he was "running on fumes today," and called it a "terrible slip of the tongue." But he then added that there are "some inconsistencies" in the case and rephrased his apology, telling the second caller, "I regret that you heard me say it."

Read the rest of the story here

Wow that was deep. Thanks for the information. This is out of control. If race and class were not issues this would be handle in totally different way. This is truly sad, and the worst thing of all is that there are some people out there that think racism does not exist and that minorities are given a fair trail and or chance when crimes are committed against them.

On another note, love your quote too by the way, Bamboozled. :rolleyes:

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The "alleged" use of racial slurs during the incident made it a racial issue.

I definately agree about that. Not to mention that slurs have been made once before to students just sitting outside the house.

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The service that the victim was hired from said that they do not give a job to a Black dancer unless the person hiring them specifically asks for Black girls. This suggests that the team specifically requested a Black girl. Lets not ignore the history of White America's hypersexualization of Black women. There are a LOT of White guys who watch music videos all day and truly believe that Black women's purpose is sexual entertainment. Then when a Black woman says NO to them, they feel cheated. The sexual assault of White women is definitely given more validity and taken more seriously.

Amen to that. I knew it was someone what there that was feeling my pain. Another questions is why didn't the service providers have protection for the women, a bouncer type or something. Doesn't that normally happen at personal parties? The theory is that maybe they thought they would be safe because it was for "Duke" students and did not think to provide safety. HUM

I'm not sure about that but I do know that she was initially told that she would be intertaining a small group of only 5 men for a bachelor's party. However, when she arrived, the house was full of more that 40 white men.

Wow, are you serious?

Please, lets say the rape is alleged. We have no proof yet that an actual assault occurred. While the investigation seems slow, please be sure that Dook is following procedures to protect itself and those Dook students who did not commit the alleged crime.

The girl went to the party with another girl. The second girl left, and that's when the alleged assault occurred.

disclaimer: I am in no way saying that the girl is lying or anything. Nothing has been proven, thus my use of "alleged".

Yes, i'm from NC and do not live too far from Raleigh. All of the news stations in our area have been following this story since day one and continue to do reports on it each night. The point that she was lead there under false pretenses had been a reported fact every since the story broke. She had no clue that she was coming into a house with that many men. She was told only 5 would be there. DNA test are due back sometime this week.

The district attorney confirmed that he believed a rape did occur. The fact is whether this was done or not its a problem when there has been a blaming of the victim and has not been reported every where. DUKE is a prestigious institution and has not put out any statements to ensure that justice will be served and that they would be working with the police to ensure that this is resolved. It just seems to me like the student’s protests have grabbed the attention and because they are protesting this leads me to believe there is more than just this incident under investigation. There was a female basketball player along with the coach that said they would not let this faze them and would continue as normal. This "alleged act" is not normal and should not be treated as such.

I truly hope the victim's abusers get punished to the fullest extent...except I can't of a legal form of punishment suitable enough for them.

No one is arguing that fact, but did the DA say that a rape did, in fact, occur? Dook (I went to UNC and Duke will always be Dook to me) did state, I believe, that they will not impede Durham County Police in their investigation. I dont think anyone is hiding from the investigation, they are just being extra careful to not make it any harder or to cause evidence to be thrown out on technicalities.

I was in Raleigh this past weekend and Dook is NOT taking this incident lightly.

The DA said that a rape DID occur. They just need to find out which of the males participated. That woman had bruises and marks of forced entry on her body and that is what led the the DA stating that a rape DID in fact occur but they have to find our now who participated.

please excuse the rambling...

I am not an advocate of violence against women OR blaming the victim, but maybe i'm falling victim to the tricks of the media. I just feel "funny" about this whole thing.

Let me start by saying i graduated from NCCU in 2001, i also took courses at duke & LIVED in durham during my college years. I was an ACTIVE member of the student body at NCCU and I have partied on Duke's campus, at the row of houses by the wall... I know the area well.

I also know the area well enough to know YOU DON'T GO TO NO PARTY BY YOURSELF. No offense to durham natives, but it's not the safest place in the world (i'm from pg and sayin somewhere ain't safe... :o ) So even if you're performing for "duke students" you STILL need to be cautious... just like you didn't know there are ~40 men there, you didn't know IF the "party" was really for students or not. There are boarding houses and other private residences all up and down that street... just cause it's close to campus DOES NOT mean you are dealing with students.

I feel bad for even typing this, but there is a difference between a "dancer" who "performs" at a club, and a "dancer" who "performs" for private, off-site events. I spoke with a guy friend who still lives in Durham and he said would assume you take ONE male with you... someone who can watch out for you (he doesn't even have to be big) or in a worst case scenario - someone to be your one SOBER witness.

Although no one deserves to be beaten, battered, or humiliated - we all need to be careful and make better decisions.

IF the events occured as the victim claims, i feel the responsible parties should be punished SEVERLY, and pursued as a violent act as well as a hate crime.

either way, there needs to be some sort of "peace offering" between duke and the city of Durham. I was trying to explain to my bf that although Durham has two universities, it is NOT a college town (as compared to chapel hill or college park, etc). Unspoken tensions have existied long enough, and whether people ACKNOWLEDGE it or not - race matters.

Wow so much to say so little time. Would you have the same opinion if it were your family? No, you would be pissed off. With all that you said you contradict yourself because you ARE blaming the victim. If she is a stripper or dancer, she makes her money dancing in safe or unsafe neighborhoods for large or small crowds of men. If I have to make money for my education, I am going to make my money. We really don't know the exact circumstance but to blatantly say she should have been more cautious is BLAMING the victim. If you are leaving a club by yourself in a rough neighborhood and get raped should you not have been at the club by yourself? You should have the option or right to do so. Come on! If a person makes their money off entertainment that is what they are going to do; just my opinion and WE ARE ALL entitled to one. But I live in PG also and I know of places where it is rough but like you said, you live there. Just because you do live there and fall victim to a crime, do you deserve it because "blaming the victim's theory" would say you could live somewhere else and be safe.
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Got it. The :rolleyes: confused me because that smiley usually denotes sarcasm.

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke1.html

The police found this team member's e-mail saying that he was going to bring some strippers over and kill them.

Gods Ivy, i feel what you're saying... i WOULD be pissed if it was my friend or family member.

I don't think i'm blaming the victim by saying we ALL should make better decisions. I know I've put myself in unsafe situations and it's by the grace of GOD that I'm not a statistic. I know that we ALL need to be cognizant of our surroundings and decide what's a worthwhile risk.

It's messed up all around, but NO MATTER HOW WRONG THOSE BOYS ARE - her profession will cast a shadow on her character, if not the entire case.