Polygamy Activism Rises
 

You've got to be kidding me....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11786790...week/?GT1=7850

Might as well legalise polygamy while we are at it. Hell, add in marrying your house pet as well. We don't need any morality in this country anymore.

Has anyone watched that new show on HBO?

Dad? When did you get the intraweb?

:)

I saw the new show on HBO, and it showed 3 adult women choosing this lifestyle. The problem is with the communities where 11 and 12 year old girls are basically forced into it.

:eek:

But they did touch on that a little when they went to the compound with the young girl.

Yeah, they did a decent job of showing people who choose this lifestyle v. people who don't know anything other than this lifestyle.

The question they ask is valid, how is this different than gay marriage?

And really if we can eat dogs, why can't we love them in that Fred Astaire type of way as well?

-Rudey

Um, because with gay marriage, they're only asking to be married to one person.

Umm the sky is blue.

-Rudey

Is this a clever shot at Asians?

I mean, there's evidence that it happens, but still....

Shoot..it was supposed to be "Animals" haha Although Korea sure did stop serving dogs during the World Cup.

-Rudey

See, I always associate Vietnamesse with eating dogs and cats because of this story in the late 90s about Vietnam having a rat infestation because they ate all their cats.

But most of my friends associate that little stereotype with Flipinos and Koreans.

Either way.....YOU DON'T EAT YOUR BEST FRIEND!!!!!

Unless of course he won't stop peeing on your carpet

I think it's most Asian cultures outside of Japan. I think a lot of people eat it in Hawaii too. I'm getting grossed out but http://www.deliciousdogs.com/ and a bunch of other websites discuss it.

-Rudey
--I want to throw up violently now.

A few years ago a friend spent a year working with the Utah state government. She told me a huge problem with the polygamists is actually in the realm of public assistance. Since only the first wife is recognized legally, all subsequent wives and their children are eligible for public assistance and the tax payers of Utah are financially supporting polygamy even though there are laws against it.

Granted the above story about the government is anecdotal, but let's pretend polygamy is legal for a moment. All of these women would be on government records somewhere, and perhaps there would be less marriages of teenage girls. If you grow up in that environment you may not realize there are options, and this may be one more way to prevent minors from being forced into a situation they don't want to really be in. The main reason polygamy was outlawed was for the state of Utah to be admitted to the Union, and it appears not everyone wanted it to go away or it wouldn't still exist in much of the inland West. It is illegal and that hasn't stopped it from happening, so why not make it legal and at least there could be some tracking and 14 year old Desert Zion won't be forced to be the eighth wife of the 67 year old Brigham Nephi.

I am still trying to find the comparison between marrying a non human animal and consenting adults entering into an agrred upon union. 33girl's dad can you explain it to me?

Oh and here's an article on a polygamist judge. Even those who were chosen to uphold the law practice it.

Obviously you're a freak that believes in polygamy.

-Rudey

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Hey VandalSquirrel, just out of curiousity, does it really matter to people at U of I how bad your football and basketball teams are, or is it like my school where no one really cares until you win?

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I don't know if this is what was referred to earlier, but someone forwarded this to me last week. It's actually somewhat funny, if taken in the right way.

As for "Doin' The Dog", try this about Massachusetts elected officials outlawing beastiality.

Let me say upfront that these are both from a conservative source, and I'm not posting these to defend them in any way - other than the humor value! That and the dog looks just like my brother's one Doberman.

http://www.alainsnewsletter.com/images/futurefamily.jpg

I'm more concerned with the horrific Utah liquor laws than with polygamy, but the topic was brought up and really, how would it negatively affect any of us? They are doing it anyway and if legalizing it prevents minor girls from being secretly married to creepy old dudes in the name of Jesus (albeit an extremely twisted version) I am all for it. People live in all kinds of open marriages and funky arrangements, but it is the minor issue and the welfare abuse that is my concern.

Oh man, no one really cares about the men's basketball team, and they care too much about the football team. We're on coach number three in as many years, but we're hoping he will get things together. However the football players keep the campus paper full of news by getting into fights with fraternity members (and kicking in chapter house doors while impersonating another fraternity), and getting DUIs. I'm just sad we lost Beyonce's brother in law :(

So you're saying that if they legalize polygamy it would put a stop to these men marrying the young teens?

Doubt it. They do it in secret now and they would do it in secret if polygamy ever did become legal. A creep is a creep no matter what the laws are. I don't care what kind of cult or wackey ass religion these people believe in, because this is america ( land of the free ) but I am not willing to pay for it.

I'm not saying it would disappear completely. How many other things are against the law and still take place? The point I am making is that by making it legal (and this would be a state issue, not a federal one), those who chose to be bigamists and polygamists would be documented and there would be record keeping. Taxpayers are already paying to support it because the marriages are not recognized and subsequent wives/households are receiving WIC, medicaid, and other assistance.

I'd give you a link to the newspaper article with the hard statistics, but it appears the newspaper's website is currently down.

Even if they did legalize polygamy, there may still be issues with young girls being victims. I don't know what the marriageable age in Utah is, but if under 18s (say 16 or 17) can marry with parental/guardian permission, then I'd be worried too. Some lower income families are willing to sign off their kids for marriage because it's one less mouth to feed.

Where did you find that statistic?

I find that extremely hard to belive that in North America families would be wiling to give permission for their underaged children to wed simply because they can't feed them. There are far too many resources in Canada and The US to see a high incedence of that happening.

Actually, in the really backwoodsy places (think Heaven by VC Andrews) yeah, I can see that happening. There's still more abject poverty around than you would think.

I can't remember who said it, but I think I read it here and it sums up the situation quite succinctly:

Why are we legislating each others' sex lives?

Child endangerment/molestation/abuse and animal abuse are entirely different topics. Yes, there are polygamists who commit these acts; but there are far more monogamists who commit the same crimes, and I don't see any legislation to end monogamy.

Why is it animal abuse? Animals are tested, tortured, beaten, forced to live in tiny cages, and then eaten. That is all considered humane. If you want the government out of the bedroom, surely beastiality can't qualify for morality bans. Heck sometimes it's all about emotional love and nothing physical, then does someone have a right to marry a dog?

And that girl's reasoning is beyond stupid. I'm sure the proponents of slavery also believed in the 2 birds with 1 stone logic since slavery would lower crime in black neighborhoods. She's just a poloygamist.

-Rudey

The animal can't make a choice, which is the difference for me. I still say abuse is a seperate issue. Sure, marry your dog. But if you're having sex with the dog, the dog should be taken away. I'm not sure what the repercussions are for beastiality other than that.

Again, I think the operative words here are "consenting adults". Knock yourselves out. Just keep it to "consenting adults".


My roommate in college used to tell me there shouldn't be interracial dating because "you don't see bluebirds with redbirds."

The animal couldn't make a choice when we were spilling chemicals on it to make sure that a shampoo that has been safe for ages is still safe. It sure as hell couldn't make a choice when it had a pipe forced down its throat so it could be fed quicker. It surely had no choice when it was beaten to death in a butchery that wanted to keep the meat tender while giving its butchers a few minutes of fun.

And I'm not exactly sure how beastiality works but I bet an animal likes physical pleasure and comes wanting more of that good old human loving. You might know better so share some stories.

-Rudey

I agree, but that's opening the door to talking about vegetarianism/veganism, and I doubt we want to do that.

Did you read that website where the guy talks about sex with dolphins?

And if we can eat, test, torture, and wear them we can surely provide them with a little nooky.

No. Who has sex with dolphins?? They have snouts first of all. Second of all they'd be slippery in the water. I bet it was some French guy.

-Rudey

I'd look for it, but I'm at work. I think he lived in Florida - I saw it a couple years ago. He talks about the deep personal connection he has with the dolphins, and makes suggestions for how to hit on (for lack of a better word) wild dolphins.

Ha. Judging by this girl I knew in college, that does not prevent one from having sex.

How is the fact that polygamy is illegal legislating a sex life? People who are married can have sex with others all they want,and while morally wrong it's not legislating their sex life. you just can't have multiple official spouses. Sure it's illegal, does that mean it's not happening, no.

Just imagine the tax implications, multiple spouses and multiple children wshere would the tax breaks start and stop.

Why is it any of your business who I'm married to?

It will be incredibly exciting if someone can give an answer that isn't based on religion.

Which is exactly my point, actually. We have seperation of church and state. There shouldn't be tax breaks tied to marriage - a religious event. We don't tie tax breaks to baptisms.

This is all the more amusing considering we probably couldn't be any more different, politically.