Pitbulls
 

One of my bros had a pitbull that we basically adopted at our Pike house. I use to be scared of them, but then I learned to love them. When they aren't trained to kill, they are the biggest goofballs ever. Now they are my favorite doggies.

This is about california legislation being passed to exterminate pit bulls. :(


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Oh, wow, that's horrible! It's a shame that pit bulls have such an awful reputation, because all of the ones I know are owned by people who love them and did not train them to be dangerous. They're very, very sweet dogs. :(

I am totally against breed-specific legislation. No dog breed is inherently bad...but unfortunately there are some bad owners.

There's a shelter a couple blocks from my house that takes pit bulls and pit mixes and I see volunteers walking them in my neighborhood all the time. They've all been very sweet. :)

OMG this is so sad. :(

I love dogs and I dont' think any breed is born bad - just raised bad.

That's really really sad... :(

What are the specifics of the proposal?

If people have them as pets would they be forced to put them to sleep?

What caused the beginning of this proposal?

So I did a google search (gotta luv that search engine!) and came up with this link.

How are they supposed to enforce this legislation if most people can't even correctly identify the breed?

http://www.nokillnow.com/PitbullFindIT.html

I believe that they are banned in PG County in MD (just south of DC).

Bobby, Yes it is ignorant because People are Stupid.:rolleyes:

I had a Pit named Tigger, Brindle who was the most lovable Dog I ever Knew! God I miss Him!

The Poodle used to chase Him around The Yard!:mad:

Any Dog can be dangerous, Just dont Mess with His Territory kind of Like Litttle Brothers and Sisters!:D

Pits are very Protective as Many Animals are!

I so Miss Tigger No Matter How Dumb He could Be!:D

Oh, lets outlaw Taco Bell Dogs, A Bunch of them attcked a Mail Dude! Carrrier that is.

I know in Michigan any Pittbull picked up by the humane society or animal control is immediatly destroyed. No shelters, no adoptions, just death.

I would assume attacks on kids or something like that. Breeding practices is also a big catalyst here. In Detroit it's common for breeders to purposly breed pitt's to be super-aggressive, which is dangerous for the dog. I've heard of these dogs turning on their owns for no reason what so ever. Many people think that breeding them as fight-dogs might have messed up their genetics, making them go senile earlier in life.

remember this thread kids?
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...Home+of+Stupid

That is Denver. I am in California. Therefore, I get my own thread. besides. You didn't post cool pictures like I did :p

related thread, used to bolster your argument.

And the pics are in that thread too, by the way.

< cue "won't someone please think of the children" >

Did you get those pics from myspace? I think you did, because I remember seeing those same pics on a bulletin a few months back.

Oh ok. So I guess you just want to be a bitch about it because I stole your thunder.

Who wants to see a thread started by you when they can see a thread started by me?

You didn't post pictures. Someone else did. And they didn't even post them. They just provided a link.



Go and ride a bicycle or shave your pitts or something. I don't know

I believe this has allready been worked on, but here's the gist from the American Kennel Club

California Considers Allowing Breed-Specific Laws
[Friday, June 24, 2005]

In response to a request from San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome, Senator Jackie Speier is sponsoring SB 861, a bill that will allow local governments to regulate dogs by breed as long as they do not ban specific breeds. Currently, California is one of 12 states that prohibits local governments from enacting breed-specific ordinances.

SB 861 has been assigned to the Assembly Local Government Committee. A hearing has been set for Wednesday, June 29th at 1:30 in Room 447 of the State Capitol.

California's existing dangerous dog law forces all dog owners to be responsible regardless of the breed they own. AKC believes that strong enforcement of leash laws, as well as clear guidelines for identifying and managing dangerous dogs, will promote responsible dog ownership and prevent tragedies from occurring. Simply placing restrictions on certain breeds will not improve public safety - it will only punish responsible dog owners.

The American Kennel Club strongly supports sound, enforceable, non-discriminatory legislation to govern dog ownership, and we appreciate legislators' desire to keep communities safe for both people and dogs. However, SB 861 will not address the root cause of dangerous dogs – irresponsible ownership. AKC opposes the changes made by SB 861 and encourages concerned dog owners to do the same.

What You Can Do:

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Contact the bill sponsor and voice your opposition to SB 861. Ask her to withdraw the bill from consideration.

The Honorable Jackie Speier
Phone: 916-651-4008, Fax 916-327-2186
Senator.Speier@sen.ca.gov

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Contact the members of the Assembly Local Government Committee and explain why you are opposed to SB 861.

The Honorable Simon Salinas (D) [Chair]
Phone:916-319-2028, Fax 916-319-2128
Email: Assemblymember.Salinas@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Bill Emmerson (R) [Vice-Chair]
Phone: 916-319-2063, Fax 916-319-2163
Email: Assemblymember.Emmerson@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Hector De La Torre (D)
Phone: 916-319-2050, Fax 916-319-2150
Email: Assemblymember.DeLaTorre@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Guy S. Houston (R)
Phone: 916-319-2015, Fax 916-319-2115
Email: Assemblymember.Houston@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Sally Leiber (D)
Phone: 916-319-2022, Fax 916-319-2122
Email: Assemblymember.Leiber@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Joe Nation (D)
Phone: 916-319-2006, Fax 916-319-2106
Email: Assemblymember.Nation@assembly.ca.gov

The Honorable Lois Wolk (D)
Phone: 916-319-2008, Fax 916-319-2108
Email: Assemblymember.Wolk@assembly.ca.gov

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Contact your local Assemblymember and State Senator and ask them to oppose SB 861. To find out who represents you in the California legislature, click here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html. It is critical that legislators hear from their own constituents!

Points to Address:

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Breed-specific laws are not the best way to protect communities. An owner intent on using his or her dogs for malicious purposes will simply be able to switch to another type of dog and continue to jeopardize public safety. The list of regulated breeds or types could grow every year without ever addressing responsible dog ownership. Deeds, not breeds, should be addressed.

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Breed-specific laws are hard to enforce. Breed identification requires expert knowledge of the individual breeds, placing great burden on local officials.

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Breed-specific laws are unfair to responsible owners.

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Breed-specific laws increase costs for the community. Shelter costs for the community could rise as citizens abandon targeted breeds and adoptable dogs of the targeted breeds could be euthanized at the shelter.

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Some communities have had their breed-specific laws overturned on constitutional grounds. Because proper identification of what dogs would be included is difficult or impossible, the law may be deemed unconstitutionally vague.

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Strongly enforced animal control laws (such as leash laws), generic guidelines on dealing with dangerous dogs and increased public education efforts to promote responsible dog ownership are all better ways to protect communities from dangerous animals.

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Breed-specific legislation is opposed by the AKC, the American Veterinary Medical Association, the National Animal Control Association, the ASPCA, and a host of national animal welfare organizations that have studied the issue and recognize that targeting breeds simply does not work.


For more information, contact:
The Animal Council
TheAnimalCouncil@aol.com

AKC's Canine Legislation department
919-816-3720
doglaw@akc.org


and...here is SB 861
http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/bill...ml?bill=SB_861

Thats really sad and those pictures are cute, but I still wouldn't let a giant dog trot around my baby.

hmmm..I don't know. Personally, pitts scare the hell outta me and I sure wouldn't keep one as a pet. I heard this old lady got killed by her own dog and the husband had to shoot it down. And not to mention all those kids being mutilated by these seemingly cute dogs. I dont know about "exterminating" them, but I think there ought to be a law against keeping them as pets.

Just my thought on the issue. Cute dogs thou.

A dog reacts to how you treat and train them.

I don't think poodles should be allowed to be owned as pets because too many owners don't train them, and they turn out very aggressive. I'm finishing my vet tech training, and I've had to muzzle more poodles than any other breed. I've also been bitten more times and more severely by poodles than by any other breed.

I see BSL (breed specific legislation) equal to the Jim Crow laws and laws that enforced segregation. Obviously, those laws are and were wrong, and they were overturned. Here in OK, I was one of many that was at the state capital lobbying for the defeat of BSL, we instead passed a law enforcing stricter penalties for animal abuse and neglect and for owners of dogs that bite. It's not the dogs fault that he reacts to the way he is treated, blame the owner and the deed, not the breed.

Also, Pit (one T) Bull.

Let me get this straight. You are comparing African Americans to dogs?

-Rudey

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I'm sorry, but I don't think they are even close. I'm not sure how you can even make that comparison.

I'm going to join in with the opinion that this statement is nuts.

Dogs are not people. No matter how much you love your dogs, they are not people and they do NOT have the same rights as people.

I'm not an animal person, I'll admit that. Big dogs do scare me, and i'm not a fan of them or visiting people with them. I don't know how I feel about laws being made to make it illegal to own certain breeds. I do support muzzle laws.

But there are laws regarding people keeping other animals at pets- for instance, aren't ferrets illegal in some states? I'm not familiar with animal laws, so I could be wrong.

Dani,
Doesn't this thread make you want to go into Animal Law now that you know dogs are being discriminated against? What an injustice! I'm off to change my fall schedule to include Animal Law: Dogs Are People Too 101.

On a side note, I bet we could find cases where a kid has been mauled by a chihuahua or yorkie. Maybe not the same number of pit bull or rottweiler bites, but still, ALL dogs can bite. Even if they are trained properly and live in a loving house, they can go Old Yeller on you when you least expect it. I agree with uksparkle and wouldn't let one of these around a baby. I wouldn't mind having one as a pet though, I think they are cute, especially as puppies!

Some dogs are classified as Pit Bulls that are not true American Pit Bull Terriers. The attack statistics are flawed because it doesn't take into account which dogs are mistakenly grouped in the Pit category.

There has been more typing a dog as a "Pit Bull" based on the look of the dog and his behavior than actual bloodlines.

I'm sure there are legitimate cases of Pit Bulls attacking people, just as there are dobermans, golden retrievers and cocker spaniels who have attacked people-- but there are a lot more "lookalikes" out there who aren't truly representative of the breed.

If you had to choose, would you rather a poodle bite you or a pitbull? I would pick the poodle. I would punch the crap out of that French dog until it apologized and served me English muffins with jam the next day. The pitbull would make me wear an apron and serve him liver patte with one arm because he ate the other one.

-Rudey

Pitbulls were bred for a specific reason.

The funny thing people don't realize about these purebred dogs is just how manipulated their DNA is. They have shorter lives and awful health problems specifically to maintain some artificial breed.

A pitbull was not designed to be a baby loving animal that fits in a Louis Vuitton purse. It was designed to fight in a "Pit", hence the name.

-Rudey

The meanest dogs I've ever met have been Pomeranians. Go figure!

I was attacked by a pitbull at a bbq. I was playing around with the guy at the grill and he dropped a burger.... then he picked it up and threw it at me when my back was turned. little did i know the burger was still attached to my pants and when i went to the front yard to pet the dogs they jumped all over me.

I thought i had crapped myself but that was just slobber from the dogs eating the meat.

Pits are ruthless meat hounds! and they live to embarrass people walking around with meat on their pants. LOL


Nah i really do like pits... its sad when u grow attached to them and they get sick at very young ages... :(

I love animals, but I agree they are not people. I have a friend that gets insane about animals and I'm pretty sure she would chose her dogs life over a human's. That's weird to me. We are currently not on the best terms because I didn't want her dog to sniff and lick my 2 month old baby. Umm....sorry.

If I remember correctly the biggest dog biters out there are supposedly dalmations. I've never been around one myself, just a statistic from the insurance industry. That said, I know a lot of insurance companies have actual lists of aggressive dogs that they won't write/insure. Pit bulls generally make those lists just because of the rep that they've attained.

I thought you would know better being from the state that is home to Detroit. It's not about banning pit's because they bite; it's about banning pit's because they maul. Any breed of dog can bite, but not all have "lockjaw" or go senile early.

I'm not originally from Michigan. I've only lived in Lansing for a little over two months. I'm originally from Iowa - and there are a lot of communities in Iowa that already ban pit bulls.

Exactly. My Rat Terrier could bite me but his jaw won't lock and he'd do hardly any damage. A Pitbull could kill me with just one bite. Also, Pitbulls have a genetic predisposition to be a little off. It takes a strong, dominant owner to train this dog and most Pitbull owners I've seen aren't responsible enough to handle this breed. I'm not down with exterminating the breed but I think the owners need to take responsibility- such as taking classes on the right way to train their Pitbull.

OMG, you did not just say that. Do your research, that isn't even true.

And to all, I didn't compare those of African descent to dogs; I compared one unjust law with a set of them. It's discrimination, whether based on breed or race, and that is unjust.

Ummm and eating animals is murder huh? When they attack humans should they be put on a trial and have it televised on CourtTV? When animals get into someone's house are they "Breaking and entering"?

They were made to fight in a pit. The breed is artificial. It is not a result of millions of years of evolution. The head, the chest, the stamina were all created to destroy. And I read somewhere that even PETA supports the ban on breeding them.

-Rudey

The pictures of the puppies are cute, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a big dog like that around a baby.