legacy?
 

My roommate and I have been wondering this for a while. She was fully initiated into ZTA last year but right before her Sophomore year, she ran into financial problems and had to drop. If many years from now, she had had a daughter and her daughter decided to rush, would her daughter still be considered a legacy? Or, do you have to be in a sorority until you graduate in order for your daughter to be considered a legacy?

If your friend really IS a member, wouldn't she have learned that information during her process? So, wouldn't she have or know that information? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Just curious?

AKA2D-- thats something we didn't learn either while pledging. While we were fully learned in our history, we didn't review the bylaws of our arganization as far as what do to do uncommon situations.
ZTAngel....your local advisor should know what to do as well.

They don't exactly go over what will happen to your status if you decide to drop. While you're pledging, the idea is to teach us about being a member and NOT about what will happen if we decide not to stay a member. Also, I know that she really IS a member because we got initiated together.

A couple of thoughts/answers:

I'll bet that the rules differ somewhat from organization to organization, but I suspect that since she was initiated, her daughter would be considered a legacy.

Second, I ran across a question a while ago from a woman who wondered if her son would be considered a Delt legacy if her father (the son's grandfather) is a Delt, but not her husband (the son's father). The answer is yes -- at least in the view of Delta Tau Delta.

DeltAlum

Your roommate is a fully initiated member and if she is no longer involved on the collegiate level, she should contact IO about getting her alumnae status activated.

Any daughters your friend would have would be considered legacies.



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Fraternally,
Barbara
Zeta Tau Alpha Alumna

If you have to go around telling everyone you're in charge you're not much of a leader.
Tallahassee Area Alumnae of ZTA
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Definitely follow PnguinTrax's advice.

I know for my own sorority it would depend on what her chapter and National's consider her status to be.

For instance, my chapter's policy is that if a member leaves the sorority before completing one fully initiated year as an active member, she'd be EXPELLED from the sorority. So then no, the daughter wouldn't be a legacy. But not every chapter has this policy.

If the woman completes a year, and then leaves on good standing; the daughter may be considered a legacy.

It's all so confusing, especially since we have four different ways to be considered an alumna!

Okay, this is the question you asked. In your process or even AFTER you all were initiated, did you all LEARN this? Do you have any by-laws which your organization is governed by? If so, can't you find your info there and not on the internet?

USF- that's what I was trying to get at... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited December 10, 2000).]

AKA2D '91 -

For cryin' out loud, drop the 'tude!!

First you accuse someone of being a perp - then you intimate that she didn't fully learn the laws of her organization.

As ZTAngel said, the main focus on pledging is learning how to be a good active member. They can't fit every single weird circumstance that might come up in a lifetime of sorority membership into 6 weeks.

As far as bylaws, I know the ones for my organization are in a 30 page booklet. There's no way you could know the whole thing by heart. I'm not sure if each member receives her own copy of the bylaws, but even if they do, there's often a time lag problem. I remember it took us a whole year to get our membership certificates.

It was just a simple question.

Thank-you 33girl! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

33girl- I totally agree with you.
AKA2D- The purpose of the GreekChat Forums is to ask those questions which we don't know the answer to. I was actually curious what the answer to that question was because I'm involved in a similar situation. Your response was totally uncalled for.
ZTAngel- You had a good question and I'm sorry that someone, for unknown reasons, had to make you feel otherwise.

[This message has been edited by KatieQ (edited December 11, 2000).]

Drop the 2D? NEVER! I CAME OUT THE WOMB LIKE THIS! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif
Response totally uncalled for? I THINK NOT! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

You all have your way of answering questions, I have my way of answering mine.

I did not say someone WAS a perp! Don't put words into my mouth! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif I said, if the person was TRULY a member of the org, then she should have known that information.

That just goes back to the differences among OUR organizations. Some STRESS one thing OR ANOTHER, while OTHERS STRESS, you know... whatever... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

AS I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, I CAN AND WILL RESPOND TO ANYTHING I WANT! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH COOKIES!

DUH! I KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS. IF YOU SAY YOU ARE IN AN ORGANIZATION AND YOU DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif NOW, IF YOU ARE AN INTEREST, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME!
AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I CAN EXPRESS MY OPINION! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE...FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE!

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENCES IN GLO. WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT IS NOT!

IT IS UNCALLED FOR ANY OF YOU TO TELL ME WHAT IS OR IS NOT CALLED FOR! YOU JUST WATCH YOUR WORDS AND NOT MINE! OKAY! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

OKAY!

NOW, HAVE A GOOD EVENING!

***picking up my 2D*** http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif LOL

Folks, I have to agree w/ Ms AKA2D on this one.

A general GREEK message board is not the place to ask about these aspects of YOUR OWN GLO. Does your org have its own forum? Better yet how about contacting your chapter or national hq or even consulting your own initiation materials? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Earlier this year, someone questioned some type of membership category IN THEIR OWN GLO. This is basic information that every intitiate should know. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

If you don't know basic information about your GLO when initiated, take the initiative and find out. Somebody initiated you so if you don't know the answer, someone in your chapter should! For those *obscure* situations, an advisor, regional or national official should be consulted.

So, I don't feel her response way out of line. In fact, I was thinking the same thing! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif



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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
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Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

ZTAngel, if she was fully initiated into ZTA (which according to your post, she was), then her daughters and grand-daughters will be legacies. After all, if she was fully initiated, then she is a ZTA for life, right?

However, I have reason to believe that in order for her to provide a written recommendation for a legacy (or any potential member who is not a legacy), I believe that an alumna member must be deemed to be an alumna member in good standing with the sorority. This would mean that financially speaking, her alum dues are all paid up, etc. (I would say most NPC sororities would be like this...but I could be wrong).

For something like this, definitely go with Pngtrax...not only is she a ZTA also, but she definitely knows her NPC 'lore'.

To SoCalGirl, what the 4 different ways that women in your NPC sorority can be considered alumna status? Are they:
1. If you've graduated from college
2. If you leave school during your undergrad degree
3. If you marry during your undergrad degree
4. ______

I am stumped for the 4th reason! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Please let me know. Thank you.

Hey Brothers and Sisters,

Of all the topics on this hallowed forum to get testy about, this one seems like the least likely candidate.

That a better place to ask the question would be the sorority National is a point well taken. But I've seen a LOT dumber questions here and don't think asking for information/advice is out of line.

Second, regarding GLO Bylaws, etc., I'm not sure our pledge education program would cover legacy issues. In fact, those programs vary not only from GLO to GLO, but from chapter to chapter. I would not surprize me at all if legacy wasn't covered.

Finally, if we're going to "yell" at each other, why not pick a a more meaningful or controversial issue.

Maybe we all need to lighten up a bit? This just isn't worth the brain damage.

Fraternally,
DeltAlum

The point is not that the question was dumb. The point is that many people ask questions in these forums that only members of their org (or even just their chapter) would know how to answer.

If you review any of the BGLO forums, you would not be surprised how myself and AKA2D responded. Hence, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GLOs AND BGLOs (no comments on the terminology please!).

I'm done.




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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
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Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

The point is not that the question was dumb. The point is that many people ask questions in these forums that only members of their org (or even just their chapter) would know how to answer.

If you review any of the BGLO forums, you would not be surprised how myself and AKA2D responded. Hence, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GLOs AND BGLOs (no comments on the terminology please!).

I'm done.




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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
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Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

I don't know about other sororities, but to write a rec for Pi Phi, we don't need to have paid alum dues every year, etc., probably because it'd be too hard for the receiving chapters to deal with checking on dues status of all the recommending alums. They have more on their minds than that before rush!

All we have to do is be an alum--and on the recommendation form, we write our chapter name and initiation year. I've seen the same
on other sororities' forms and I have no clue whether any actives actually verify if the recommender is even a real member!

When I asked this question, I did not expect everyone to get all upset about it. I probably shouldn't even have bothered. I'll probably end up getting flamed (again) for saying this but, whether it was intentional or not, I am very insulted by some of the comments made. I should have posted it in my own sorority's message board; I'm sorry that I didn't. But, I don't feel that I should have been flamed for making one mistake. Like KatieQ said, this message board is for asking questions but it is also for bringing greek unity. I don't think that anybody has shown greek unity.

[This message has been edited by ZTAngel (edited December 12, 2000).]

carnation, thanks for your post. You make some excellent points, and I stand corrected! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

And to ZTAngel, in my opinion, you came to the right place to ask your question. I would venture a guess that others are in the same position as your ZTA friend, and had the same question in their minds. I would say that your friend's situation is a question that would likely arise with all of the 26 NPC groups, not just ZTA.

In the end, perhaps it is best if your ZTA friend contact ZTA Headquarters directly, as ZTA Officers will be able to give you the "official" ZTA response. However, at the same time, I would predict that your friend's daughters and granddaughters will still be considered legacies, regardless of whether her dues have lapsed for whatever reason (be it economic hardship or what have you). Have a good day and tell us how it all works out! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

ZTAngel--I think for an NPC sorority your question WAS NOT out of line. But then, my sorority's legacy policy is word for word on our National web page. Hence my complete openiness about it! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif But of course that's not the case for every GLO.


AKA2D '91 & mccoyred--I think your responses were very appropiate for your orgs. I know you both realize that there are many diffs between NPC/IFC and NPHC. This is just another one of those things.

So, yeah a real member wouldn't necessarily know the answer. With my own chapter, it's something that's never brought up until formal rush. And then it's just sort of skimmed over and not really explained in a very detailed manner.

I don't think (and I certainly hope) that anyone was trying to completely disrespect one another. Let's all just try to remember that were coming from different places on these things. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

CutiePie2000--
the 4 different ways that women in my NPC sorority can be considered alumna status are:
1. If you've graduated from college
2. If you leave school for more than 1 yr during your undergrad degree.
3. If you leave the chapter on good standing alumna status can be granted. So, you could be an alumna and still taking classes.
4. If you go through our special alumna ritual! Not all sororities have this one. Actually I'm not aware of any other sorority that has it...but who knows!

It's all pretty complicated when applied to real life. The decisions about #3 are at the whim of our exec board. So if two girls with the same situation requested alumna status, one could get it while the other is denied. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

No problem with the above. I just think ZTAngel took some flack she didn't deserve.

DeltAlum