Pikes at Howard Update
 

"As a member of the Divine Nine I am disappointed to see the fabric of the Howard Greek legacy and traditions be torn by this new addition," said senior marketing major A.C. Onyia, member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.

From Howard Hilltop Article "Fraternity With Racist Past Comes to Howard."

http://www.thehilltoponline.com/medi...m&mkey=1809198

Oh boy...let the mayhem begin.

On a journalistic note: I would have rethought the headline for that...it could be construed as toe-ing the libel line.

(in order for it to be libel though, it must be wrong. The writer didn't mention where they found the "white's only "clause, and, in my not-so-professional opinion, that's a heavy accusation to make without saying "as found in their pamphlet/flyer/bylaws/charter/underwear drawer". Now if it is TRUE, then there's nothing to worry about, but it's a rough accusation to make without citing a source.)

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I checked the date, at first I thought this was a joke. So are the charter members black or white? Would a Pike or someone at Howard care to answer this question????????????????

hahahah, the Straight Out of Compton party was great.

Its probably true. Lots of fraternities had them. Its not that surprising. Its not something I'm proud of, but I think mine until '59 or so. And it wasn't there in the begining, it was only a clause for about 15 years or so with us, but still. I'm not proud of it, but to try to deny there was never something like that in any fraternity is just as dangerous as denying the holocost.

thats what makes it all sound ridiculous. i'm sure alot of fraternities felt that way during various civil rights periods in history. i don't know about clauses, but i'm sure they had similar feelings.
there are plenty of black guys in good fraternities around the country..even in the south...and they don't seem to care. i can do nothing but applaud them. i just don't like the fact that some of these guys at howard feel necessary to play the race card....which is played way to much. i wonder how they would feel/react if a hoard of white guys wanted to come and pledge their national GLO. don't tell me theyd welcome them with open arms and just hand out bids.

I asked one of the colonizing members on here, and he said it's a mix.

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there is a rather LENGTHY thread in this section of the forums. get your popcorn out.

the black charter members clearly joined because they hate themselves.

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you had to set it off....lol

the clause--
 

In the 50s when I was on the road for TKE, most of the nationals
had "the clause." This enabled me to enter some schools with little hassle 'cause we had no such restriction. But one must bear in mind few minorities were in college then.
Funny, now that most of the outfits have removed the clause, the
so-called "ethnic" groups have sidestepped it all, kept to themselves, formed the "divine nine" and other walls. Most of the
bitching seems to come from the blacks themselves, still angry after five generations...
Why cannot Pi Kappa Alpha enter Howard without all this carping?
Howard receives our tax monies, no?
Moteesir, bull puckey.

Re: the clause--
 

Shut up! You don't know anything that you are talking about. The NPHC was founded in 1930, clearly before the abolishment of many clauses, and 8 of the 9 member orgs were founded by 1922.

Don't exaggerate by saying there were few minorities in college. If there were so few, then the NPHC orgs would have not have had the expansion that they did. On my campus 3 fraternity chapters were established by 1920, so obviously there were minorities there.

You've sad some pretty off the wall stuff, but this one takes the cake. Its offensive and plain wrong, and you're an idiot.

Dang it!

Another potentially interesting thread goes down the crapper..

http://www.opaquelucidity.com/9916c3...580f0afdb5.jpg

^^^^LMAO! Poor kitty. :(

Re: Re: the clause--
 

how is his thread offensive. some of his facts maybe a little off, although in some areas of the country there were, in fact, very few minorities. i am studying this in a class right now. blacks are the ones bitching about all of these issues, why do you find that wrong to point that out?? he didn't say anything more than an opinion and what he thought were legitimate fact. there is no reason to call him an idiot.

Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

Are you kidding? Have you ever read his posts before?

That's offensive buddy, because it devalues an entire group of people and their struggle. No class can teach what its like to live in a country where a couple of generations ago you weren't even considered a person.

Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

Aint that the damn truth! I dont support segregation but i do feel that it is VERY important to question the motives of white individuals who want to join historically black organizations. If they present their case well then I see no problem with it.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

Do you have problems with minorities joining historically white organizations? Would they have to "present their case?"

MOST DEFINITELY! I feel it should be treated the same way on both ends...I feel that way because, if a person can give you real reasons why they want to join and are prepared to face the consequences of joining that particular org then go for it! I just dont like to see people go against the grain who are not prepared for what is to come after its all said and done.
Everyone has to make their case as to why they want to join a particular org but even more so if the person is going to have lifelong backlash for the decision they made.
I have a white bruh in shippensburg who pledged before i crossed. I sat down and talked to him about why he did it and what he did to prepare for criticizm to come EVEN AFTER he had his letters. He told me his reasons why and that he had thought about all of that and still wanted it. I respect him as i do all my bruhs. But on the flip side i know a guy who pledged and made it all the way thru but couldnt handle the rath of his friends for pledging a black frat. He then depledged and i havent heard from him since. <- That right there I dont like. Thats why i say their case should be made ahead of time.

Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

no I understand, however there was a significant group of middle and uppermiddle class blacks during post reconstruction and the civil rights era that set themselves apart from their own race. when the large groups of ex slaves and poorer blacks were focusing solely on reparations and pensions (in short, having the government give them money.), wealthier blacks and those that had power were pushing agendas concerning civil rights and education. If the two groups had been more unified, history as it panned out could have been different. the fact that a huge constituancy of blacks did not heed the advice of their early on leaders, such as booker t. washington, only helped their struggles.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

Ok, so going with the idea that Pike is a historically white fraternity, as accused in the article (I'm not saying it is, I'm going based on the idea of the article), should we question the motives of the blacks at Howard who want to join Pike instead of APhiA or one of the other HBGLO's? I know this is going to be thrown right back at me because "it's a different situation!*!*!*!". But why? I think a white person would be able to see something in an HBGLO...philanthopy, solid brotherhood, just an overall nice group of guys, etc. as a black could see in Pike.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

I wouldnt say its a different situation totally. I feel there should be questions if its a black joining a historically white or a white joining a historically black...they dont have to turned away due to race but i feel they should be evaluated and made aware that even if you make it there will be people who dont accept you... are you prepared for that. If they say yes and mean it then give them the opportunity if they fit the same criteria as everyone else.

I partially agree. I don't know how well-documented or well-publicized the "racist past" is. However, there doesn't have to be a "whites only" clause for there to a be a racist past since the organization would claim that it wasn't founded to serve a particular community.

Re: the clause--
 

Maybe "angry" isn't the right descriptive.

Then I guess you'll have issues with me!

Elaborate, please.

Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

What a way to discredit their concerns.

It is true that there was a relatively small population of Blacks in colleges and universities in the early and mid-1900s. Not as small as people assume, though. This should not be confused with the perceived necessity for "whites only clauses." If the numerical representation of blacks was virtually nonexistent, there would have been no need for such a clause.

"Whites only" clauses are one of the many reasons for the conception of college-level Black Greek Lettered Organizations.

Looks like the poster has issues with both whites joining minority orgs and vice versa. Since I'm Asian and a member of an NPC GLO, then my guess is that the posters will have "issues" with me if I can't explain WHY I decided to join an NPC GLO.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the clause--
 

Please don't use this thread as preparation for your midterm exam.

Unless you are going to go the extra step and make the logical connection to this thread topic explicit, spare us (especially those of us who have devoted a CAREER to race and ethnic relations, among other things) the history lesson.

I have no problem with you or anyone else. I do , however, feel there are precautions that need to be taken into account before doing something like that. Please dont ASSume anything more than what is in front of you already stated. We have all different races of members and i have no qualms or problems with it. I just like to see people aware of what they are getting themselves into and hope that they are ready for the world in a sense.

jubilance
 

You are shooting your mouth off about something you have a
selective memory of...sure, there were traditional black fraternitiess in the 20s...were they on predominantly black campi,
and did they have any housing, size or presence?
The anger, the rage, the continuing claims that us whities today
must pay...well, I have paid enough. My table has been open and
several have dined and will continue. But the whiners and those
who will not join us...can go hungry.

GC is a microcosm of how we get along in the real world. :(

Re: jubilance
 

I'm white and your posts make me angry.

the clause...defined
 

the so-called "clause" addressed "White Christian Males" and
was not solely referring to people of color. Jews, hispanics,
atheists, some places foreign students, hawaiians, even
Acacia excluded non-masonic connected folks. Then there were the italian, catholic, mormon, lutheran, farmers, gosh, a lot of the
things young people do not even know today
Why can't Pike enter Howard without all this vituperous and hateful rhetoric? Everyone who considers seriously the word bigot will admit that it is a wide pronouncement. There are sure
a lot of phonies and liars in here, perhaps even idiots...

Re: jubilance
 

Please stop using "us" in reference to you and the white community. Leave me out of this. There is no "us." I do not feel the same way as you do. Don't assume that I share your biases.

LOL

Ain't that the truth. :(

I saw this thread on the opening page of gc. That must look great to new comers.

My ex-bf would love you Eric. And I don't mean that to be mean at all......it's just what you just said....I swear he has said in lesser-dumber words.

By the way, I'm not taking sides....

you would think so.

TRUE :(

Re: jubilance
 

Actually, the campus that I was referring to earlier is the Univ. of Minnesota, which is clearly not a black campus. In fact, 2 NPHC fraternities were founded on PWI campuses: Cornell and Indiana Univ. So miss me with your Black campus bit.

And last time I checked, having housing did not tell if a fraternity was important or not, especially NPHC orgs. We weren't founded to hang around at the house and throw parties, we were founded to better our communities.

You seem to think that you can be ignorant and say whatever you want and that people won't have comments. I'm not angry at PiKA, TKE or anyone else. I'm angry at YOU because you continue to talk out the side of neck. You are the not the end-all be-all when it comes to greek life or history in this country.