Pikes have 12 chapters without U recognition
 

... Pi Kappa Alpha's national executive director, Eric Wulf, defended the reasoning for maintaining a chapter in Fort Collins ...

Yet the situation is not an unfamiliar one for the national Pike organization, which operates 12 of its 205 chapters without university recognition, according to Wulf.

- from recent Fraternal news item

(Very surprising that they have so many. Anybody know any numbers for others GLOs? Are there any unrecognized sororities?)

I'm not aware that Delt has any so called "rogue" chapters at the moment, although I know of a couple of cases where chapters that lost charters threatened. I won't name them.

I saw this entire story this morning, and I too an surprised that any national would have this many chapters unrecognized by their universities.

It does Happen!

Isnt Un Colorado now a Prime Example at the Moment?;)

I didn't know we had as many as 12 but I know that the national leadership is very responsible and each case is considered in its own light. Like Tom Earp said above, everyone with a chapter at the University of Colorado is unrecognized. I don't have all the details but I'm told that administrators at Colorado State arbitrarily suspended the Pikes without due process and for no legitimate reason. That scenario is not at all unknown as hundreds of posts on this board have affirmed. I don't think anyone here will disagree that if a chapter is wrongly treated, someone at the national level should stand up for them. I know of nationals that are too timid to do so.
We've had chapters at small schools where the university has derognized the entire system. We still have chapters at some of those. Having an unrecognized chapter doesn't mean it's a "rogue" chapter. It may just mean that the school does not recognize greeks. We have a chapter at Princeton and had a colony at Harvard. Greeks are not recognized on either campus, but the fraternities and sororities there are hardly "rogue". The newspaper article sounded like the writer had an agenda; not surprising.

Might be adding #13 at Coastal Carolina soon...

Two very good points, actually.

The word "rouge" was borrowed from the article. Unfortunately, they come by e-mail so there's no chance to link to them.

The University of Colorado situation is just a mess.

I wonder if LXAAlum has any insight into the Colorado State case.

This is what I was thinking as well. Kudos to Pi Kappa Alpha for supporting their "rogue" (aka red) chapters!

What's a "rouge" chapter? Are these the boys in touch with their feminine sides?:)

That would be "rogue," not "rouge." Good catch.

Yikes. Perhaps it was the French in moi.

De toute façon, je retournerai et corrigerai.

None of the GLOs at the University of Toronto are recognized and (technically) neither are the chapters at the University of Western Ontario, although UWO is a bit more greek friendly than U of T.

And yes, we have chapters at both.

some of those may be colonies that were colonized without the consent of the school's fraternity council. Councils are supposed to support and recognize any national fraternity's colonization, but being men and worried about competition, they sometimes don't. And sometimes the administration is worrying about the greek system getting "too big".

I off hand know that ZBT's colonies at Florida State and UCF aren't recognized by their universities for this reason.

I think Rogue might be a bit of a misnomer.

When I think of rogue I think of Sub Rosa chapters. Chapters that have been expelled from the fraternity.

A chapter in good standing with the fraternity but doesn't have university recognition . . . isn't that much different than normal chapters.

Colorado State Update
 

Just happened to be in the CSU area the other day, and will be by there again....here's what I know...

The old Sigma Chi house (prior to that was ATO) - is a wonderful huge hole in the ground right now - demolished in two days flat. This is the neighborhood that Pike, Tri-D, ChiO, ZTA, and other GLO chapters are in...SX is now the third chapter house to be demolished (the other two are now home to brand new townhome sites) - so I still believe there is more going on with greek issues at CSU than just risk management.

As far as PKA goes, I believe their national organization, like Sigma Pi, will allow chapters to continue operating should they lose university recognition. LXA does not do that - you lose recognition from the school, you lose your charter. Period. CU is a slight exception, in that university recognition was not revoked, but recognition is different at CU than most schools (let's face it - everything in Boulder is different than anywhere else)....as I understand CU - fraternities are still "recognized" to the extent that the office of greek life still exists, and can still exert some influence over the chapters, but, I believe no other CU resouces (places for events or meetings, etc...) are no longer offered.

According to this thread ASA has a "Ghost Chapter" out there, which I guess is the same idea (although they aren't recognized by national - gather that the Pike ones are).

And there is the difference.

By A Natinonal and a College.

If not by a National, then that is a big difference.

All groups on my former campus (The University of Guelph) are unrecognized by the university.

We are, however, recognized by our respective HQ's.

There is one local sorority.

Alot of Fraternities have chapters that are not recognized. My organization Zeta Psi certainly has a few. There is nothing at all wrong with that. In fact out of the 95% of the chapters in Canada are not recogized in anyway by the Universities. A kind of don't ask don't tell policy. We hold seperate events, and in some cases are not even listed as a student club, or organization. If oyu think back to the history of Greek Organizations we were founded as 'secret societies.' Not being recognized by the university does not mean no chapter can exist at the campus. As long as the chapters are recognized by our international headquarters and follows all of the same rules and policies of other chapters, there is no difference.

It depends on the circumstances with us. Some charters get yanked when that happens, but if its BS then IHQ will have our brother's backs.

For Alpha Phi Omega, a chapter must be recognized by the University *and* the National Office. If the University or College rescinds recognition, APO will de-activate that chapter. Chapters shall not operate without recognition of both entities.

Quala67


Sorry, but there is a big difference between a Social Greek Organization and a Service Organization.

What APO wants to do is their decision and no one elses. I think that the director of APO may have a major dsecission in this. Bob London come to mind?

I am not saying it is all bad by APO as My Chapter is closed at NWMoUn.

Ask IHQ of APO some serious questions!

Look.

You are FOREVER trying to create division between General Fraternities/Sororities and Recognition Fraternities (service, non-collegiate, etc). It's OLD and it's TIRED. If Quala has something to add to the discussion, then GREAT! I think that we can learn from each other, regardless of the TYPE of GLO we are.

And yes, I know you're a MEMBER of APO, but gee it would be nice if you started acting like our BROTHER rather than our enemy.

As far as I can tell, NPHC organizations are similar to APO in regard to recognition of chapters. You won't really see an active chapter at a school that doesn't recognize it UNLESS the school is one of several on a city-wide, core, or metropolitan chapter. For example, one might be enrolled at a school that doesn't recognize Greek life, but individuals may still join through a city-wide chapter that is chartered at a neighboring university.

No, what You so dont seem to understand, there is a difference.

I will never belittle any Organization especially Service Organizations. They Can and Will Do a Tremendous Involement in The College Community.

But, there is a difference and be honest about it!

Social and Service as it were.

Yes Social Organizations do a lot of good service dont they.

But, I percieve the main difference as what can be done on the local campus as I did.

I am far from being an enemy of any Service Organization and Never forget that!

Can We Learn from each Other, Of course and should!

Tom, I don't know why you would even say this. Yes, APO is a idfferent type of organization but it is not less valid than yours or mine or the Junior league, or Boy Scouts, etc., etc.

And the above statement is meaningless. Of course it's up to APO to decided what their rules will be, just like it's up to your orgs. HQ to decide what their rules will be.

This is a good point. And I should mention I have read that if you National organization is a member of NIC technically your chapter can not vote against the expansion of greek life on your campus.

KA ALUM

I believe that there is a chapter at BU operating without University recognition. That is a result of BU not accepting anymore orgs at this point though, not anything that Pike did wrong.