2 Coastal Pikes in alcohol poisoning coma
 

http://smh.com.au/news/world/college...074168420.html
College beer games off the syllabus in US

UNIVERSITY authorities are cracking down on the traditional American ritual of campus drinking binges after a series of alcohol-related deaths, accidents and fights.

At Coastal Carolina University, in South Carolina, officials last week suspended the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity after two students ended up in a coma with alcohol poisoning after a weekend party.

Amazing how the media has turned this one around on us. The two students were not in comas. Both students had prior conditions which caused them to be hospitalized.

So, explain more if You Will be so kind.

Tell us that it was all a lie or what ever it was.

As soon as the school investigation is complete I will fill you in with more. But I will tell you that it has been blown way out of proportion by the media.

Yes the media likes to do that sort of thing when it comes to fraternities.

And just as often, fraternities like to claim media bias to try to deflect serious allegations.

When the investigation is over, we'll know which is the case here.

"Brains of Young Adults Not Fully Mature"--headline, LiveScience.com, Feb._6

According to a re-printed article in Fraternal News this morning, which I can't link to since it came via e-mail, a five member panel from the University has been appointed to investigate, but had not yet met at the time of publishing.

The young men were allegedly at a fraternity party at a commercial establishment off campus, and then may have gone to another at a private house later.

They were admitted to the hospital in what the article called "alcohol induced coma" separately when each man's roommates called for help when the men weren't responsive.

The Fraternity has been suspended by the university until the investigation is completed.

City police were not called to the off campus establishment.

That seems like hostility there Delt Alum

Not at all.

Just a fairly straightforward paraphrased update of what I read this morning. As I said earlier, my deep hope is that the chapter will be completely cleared. I was an advisor and division officer too long to want to see chapters or members in trouble.

On the other hand, it's too easy to simply say that the reporter has blown something out of proportion without some backup.

At this point, we have a poster claiming one thing and a reporter claiming another.

I hope our member is right, but he hasn't really supported his comments.

My apologies then delt alum... i can understand where your coming from now and i missed that earlier post. :p

DeltAlum is far from a Old Stick in The Mud or a Radical, I thinK!;)

He is just as concerned about The State of Greeks as We all are.

I have been doing it for a long time and just wonder what We as Greeks Actually need to do or can We?:(

Training has become a huge thing along with Rish Managment is a major factor for all of us and what to do about it.

Remember, Nationals, Chapters, Schools and Actives are not Police Men for what goes on. We just all find out after the fact when it happens!:(

No worries. I see you're in my hometown. I am a Delt Alum from Ohio University, but unlike Mr. Earp makes it sound, I wasn't a founder of the chapter back in 1862.

Okay Mr. Kid DA!:D

If both of you idiots were as old school as you claim you are then u would realize why i have no comment at this point in time.

When You get some hair on Your face, then you may sling arrows in verbal comments such as idiots.

Until then, why dont You keep us updated on the situation instead.

If there was not smoke or fire somewhere, then the article would not have happened would it?

That's not a wise idea at all. Young men from that chapter should not be publicly making comments on the situation. I'm sure their advisors and/or legal representation has warned them not to.

So, do We know who this person is from The Alias on GC?

Better than supositions wouldnt it?

Grow up. I don't like name calling in this forum. Make your point like an adult -- or go somewhere else.

I'm not asking you to make a comment. I'm asking you to stop making comments you can't back up until the investigation is over.

I agree with Dani that you shouldn't talk about specifics of the incident, but updates such as where the investigation stands (ie, we expect to hear something within a month) shouldn't hurt.

Being a wise guy doesn't help your cause with anyone, though.

I just heard from a friend of mine that goes to school at Coastal that they got suspened from campus until 2013

wow

to the coastal pike:

Why not just tell everyone to screw themselves. Its not their business. People think just because they are in a greek org, they have a right to know everything about every situation. Whats more, even if they didn't have a pre existing condition, what difference does it make. So a couple fraternity guys took it too far and got way too drunk. I highly doubt the fraternity poured alcohol down their throat. One day we'll re-enter the age of personal responsibility. Sure, democrats will hate it, but I for one will be thankful.

well said

great post. it is amazing how insane people can be on this site.

Why don't you just shut the hell up and leave the guy alone.....he is obviously in the fraternity and knows much more about the situation than you do...Who gives a flying rats ass what the media said about a Fraternity related incident. Hell, The UGA Media had a field day with the freshman SAE's death and it took the kid's poor parents to shut everyone up in a friggin press release. The moderators on this site need to stop making it their personal crusades to prove that someone is not a greek just because they think they aren't. Let the kid prove he actually knows, by letting him post when he is allowed to. Hell, you accused some SAE from UT that he wasn't really a Greek there because he wouldn't go outside and take pictures of his house and then post them on here for you.

Leave the f*cking kid alone.

Relax George,

He claims the media has blown this out of proportion. That's possible. It's also possible that the chapter is using that as an excuse to hide behind their own problem(s).

We have no official information on the investigation -- which may not be finished.

On the other hand, now we have an as yet unconfirmed report that the chapter has been suspended for seven years.

I'm not refuting either poster. What I object to is people calling others juvenile names.

By the way, where do I question his Greek affiliation?

Again, people may feel free to debate and disagree here, as long as it is done with respect.

I don't think that being called an idiot is particularly respectful.

I don't think I called you an idiot? And I was really just referring to the Mods in General, I have seen that kind of think all over the place

Expelled
 

It is true that we were suspended for 7 years today. However, the suspension had nothing to do with the 2 students going to the hospital.

According to school officials the fraternity has now been expelled for hazing. They have not released any details to us but from what we have heard 2 women at the party say that they saw a couple of brothers tell a couple of pledges to drink.

The school interviewed all of the pledges involved including the 2 that were hospitalized and every single one of them told the school that they were never forced to do anything and certainly were not hazed at the bid day event.

The so-called review board was made up of 2 members of other campus fraternities, 2 advisors to other campus fraternities, the school spokesman, and the dean of students.

I am an alumnus of this chapter and here is my honest opinion about this matter. After the school saw the media take hold of this situation, they realized that they would have to take some kind of action in order to show that the school does not condone this behavior (use us as an example). When the school realized that everything that we were originally charged with was not as it seemed, they looked for anything they possibly could that would be considered against school policy. In came statements from 2 random women saying they saw brothers telling pledges to drinnk and wham, kicked off for 7 years.

Our fraternity has been on campus for 9 years and has never had one sanction placed on it. I feel it is ridiculous that we have been kicked off for 7 years for the first sanction ever placed on us. Especially when all of the pledges who were so-called hazed, testified to the same board that they were not hazed. Correct me if I am wrong but if all of the so-called victims of hazing all said that they in fact were not, how could the school charge us for that?

Anyways, they will be submitting their appeal tommorow morning. I will let you know when I know more. I will also answer any questions now that the investigation is over.

Thats some bullshit. I can understand them taking allegations seriously, but come on, 7 years on an unproven allegation.

7 years does seem kinda extreme for an unproven allegation. But as to why the University would still take action even though the pledges denied they were hazed, is probably because the University was afraid that the denials were not exactly truthful. I mean if the pledges were hazed (Im not saying they were just throwing out a hypothetical situation) and they were called in and said yes we were hazed then if they chose to stay with the organization there is a rather good chance that the pledges that admitted to being hazed would be "punished" by the other members of the fraternity. Also I would say there is probably some chance that even if they were hazed the pledges would have lied about it anyway in the "spirit" of "brotherhood".
To me it seems like a very unfortunate situation.

You didn't. Coastalpike did. See the last post on the first page of this thread.

There were a couple of comments in your reply that don't fit into what I would consider respectful, though. But for the sake of keeping the discussion alive, I'll overlook them.

I also agree that 7 years seems overly harsh -- even if the allegations were true.

It does seem that with two other Greeks, two advisors and the University people that the investigative agency should have been fair -- but not knowing the dynamics between the on-campus GLOs, it's hard to tell really.

In his recent post, Coastalpike did say something that all of us need to think about -- whether there was unfairness in the reporting or not, the tendency for parents to sue universities and the outside political pressures on administrations can sometimes make the school rush to judgement or over-react. Greek Letter Organizations need to understand that the letters on our houses can often become targets. We are, unfortunately, paying for years of built up reputations. The undergraduates of today are under a microscope.

I'm anxious to hear more about the investigation.

If that is the case, then I take an affront to being called and idiot.

This is not Fratty.com or what ever it was called it is GreekChat, not abuse people, be racist, or use language that You damn sure would not use in front of Your Mother or Father.

To all of You that came over, You do not have to stay here. You can go to other Sites. If some continually act as You have acted, you will have Posts Deleted.

If You want to have fun and be of Greek help, stay, if not, then please move on.

I respect anyones opinion until it gets out of line in some aspects.

I would hope some of You do the very same thing.

Hold on moderator god.....I didn't call anyone an idiot......not you, not anyone. Frankly, I tried to make legitimate posts...but they all got deleted.. That is why the board got spammed the otther night. Childish Yes....Liquor involved yes....But we had several legit threads deleted just because yall wanted to be a**holes about it.

What is wrong with a thread titled SEC Greek Life in the Greek Life Thread. or Southern Greek Life? or Greek Life vs. GDI life.....nothing is wrong with those. Furthermore, I have not said anything blatantly racist that I can remember. Allthoug on this board, I could say coffee and someone would perceive it racist.

Its an online message board...Im sorry if im not going to take it very seriously. Besides, most of the "irrelevant" posts we have made, were obviously humourous and if a rushee was looking at it and was stupid enough to believe it, i believe that would qualify him for a black ball, even outside of the south for sheer stupidity.

This is my first post on the chat so let me give you some back ground without boring you to death. I am a former president of a KA chapter, so I have delt with these kind of situations first hand. I also have been working in the prehospital care field on an ambulance for 4 years and have seen first hand the effects of alcohol on my peers.

Let me say the Delt Alum has some very valid points and what everyone has to remember is that there are a lot of different people in play here.

You have the GA or Greek Advisor who has to answer to the university (and by the way, at least at my school received daily criminal reports form both the Campus Police and Off Campus Cops.) Yes I said the off campus cops. You must be wondering how. Well any time a police officer would see Greek Letters or find out this was a group of a Campus Greek org they would notify the GA. It sucks but it is the world we "greeks" choose to associate ourselves with.


You have the UNIVERSITY that is over the GA and has to look out for the Campus Risk Management. This means taking action on the "oganization as a whole". This is the biggest and hardest part that greek members do not understand. If you are wearing letters and only YOU get in a fight you need to remember that you are putting you chapter at risk. This is a concept that I preached to my chapter for months.
I will just mention the other people that are involved
Hospital - Required to report Alcohol situation if
1. Underage or 2. Find out a hint of hazing and with greeks it is in everyone's mind
Cops - Are going to investigate intill they are blue in the face if the smell out hazing or alcohol related incidents within the greek community

Okay lets get to the situation.

You have two members of an "Greek" org that went to a couple of parties and drank to much. Drank so much that they drank themselves into a Alcohol Induced Coma. That a lot of alcohol fellas. Were is the fraternal bond looking out for these guys. They must have had signs. Ok. I heard thay had PEC (Pre existing conditions). Did anyone know about these conditions and if yes where was the "brother help a brother"

Finally,
Try to step out of the box and look at this from the perspective of the kids mother or the GA at your school


Fraternally

KA ALUM
Lets see how much I stirr up with this one

# 1, I am not a Mod God. I am tired from two things.

One working 11 hours dailey and dealing with people who try to profess that they are Greeks with any stature.

If some have been trying to post decent posts there is no problem as I am sure You will agree. But some of the other posts do get tedious and tiresome, let alone entirely stooopid!

a few things:
1. the pre-existing condition could have been a number of things, and you cant assume that they were known.
2. im a big supporter of personal repsonsibility, so if you drink yourself under the table, you only have yourself to balme.
3. Jsut because cops are looking to nail us, doesnt mean we need to play into these stereotypes by posting every negative thing that happens all over the internet. Is it a serious situation, yes. Does that warrant a huge controversy on a nationwide web-site, no.
4. If these kids were getting that drunk, it was going to happen anyway, in a dorm, at a bar, at some other party, etc. so to even attempt to blame it ont he system is ludicrous. Irresponsibility isnt something thats developed overnight.

Response

1.) Very true never assumed that any one new about it. But these are things that need to be brought to light. I kept a medical history on my members when I was president. Let me tell you it came in handy on more than one occasion.

2.) I am also a supporter of the personal responsibility, dont let what I write stirr you off course. But we are members of "Greek Organizations' We need to stup up and help out. Just keep in the back of your minds that what you do could put you charter in jepordy.

3.) Hazing and Alcohol are a HUGE media stir and we should know that
4.) So what are we saying that it is ok. to get obliterated as long as it does not affect the chapter. Come on that is not brother hood.

Personally, Ive never been asked for a single piece of medical history by the fraternity and I think itd be kind of wierd to do, but thats jsut me. im glad we agree on the personal responsibility thing, but when someone says, stop drinking, if im drunk im not going to listen to them, and i believe most would agree that you do what YOU want to do when drunk, not what others tell oyu to. I know that hazing and alcohol are big media stirs, but where im from, again maybe a culture difference, those are accepted risks of greek life. While the community loves to makes sure that we arent going out of control, they also give us some leeway in that if some kid starts puking, its not the systems fault. And yes im saying its ok to get obliterated. My point was that with the kids that drink themselves into the hospital, they wouldve had similar problems regardless of any greek system. Im not saying that if theyre not around we shouldnt care, but rather if theyre going to be irresponsible, then greek life isnt going to, nor should it be expected to, change him overnight.

Conditions
 

I forgot all about the conditions. One of the pledges has diabetes and the other one had some kind of pancreatic (sp?) stomach disorder.