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I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure that the answer 'depends' on what type of legal theories are being advanced here. It might also have something to do with the state of torts law in Texas -- I understand that it's very favorable to defendants.

My general understanding from being a former executive officer of my chapter is that chapter officers, especially the pres. can be named in lawsuits -- criminal or civil.

Really, I have no problem with heads rolling over something like this if the chapter's actual pledge program was responsible for this (or any other official function of the chapter).

This trial may only consist of three questions:

Fraternity?

Hazing?

How much money do your parents have?

Unfortunately, if the trial took place in Austin, the braindead liberals in that town might actually come back for the parents.

I have a question for the real lawyers, and not the pretend ones like me:

If somebody was writing stories using the names of real people involved in incidents that were based on real incidents, could those people recover damages for libel, slander, defamation of character, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress?

Hope not, based on the phone calls I've received

"you've hurt some people."

'My lawyer will be in touch with you."

"Beware"

Not Colorado or Tiffin, I think.


I've turned my answering machine on

I go to school there and the pledge program had nothing to do with it. obviously from your comments to me earlier, you are one of those anti-hazing crusaders. From what I have heard that kid was a fall down drunk who binge drank all the time. He also killed himself later on the night that he got initiated, obviously there would not have been any hazing.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of whole chapters being held responsible for dumbass individuals who do not know how to have self control. I would blame the parents before anyone else for not teaching their son how to drink socially and show restraint.

Obviously, you didn't read what I said. I just said that it was pretty stupid of you to post on a public forum which your national officers and greek life officials may read admitting that you haze and further to some extent, enumerating the specific activities that your chapter participates in.

It was more a jab at your abject disregard for your brothers' well-being. A university investigation has been known to mess up a person's college career. Is it worth it so that you can sound like a badass on an internet board?

-- and FWIW, I have always felt that hazing was pointless, but to each his own.

you are entitled to your opinions, but I dont think I saud I haze, nor that I hazed anyone else. I said I liked it, but I reall don't think I even admitted an personal involvement. Maybe I did though.

You've made your involvement pretty clear by your posts on this board.

If I were you, I'd be a little more careful on how I phrased things as to keep my chapter in the clear. No one needs your personal admission or "proof" to initiate an investigation. You just have to give them reason to suspect.

I have no idea how things are at UT, but where I'm from, it's something that's done, but it's not something that's talked about.

That said, my chapter doesn't, and if it did, I'd be pretty upset -- and you're right. Everyone is entitled to his opinion on this matter. Of course, I think I get points for having the only opinion that would hold that illegal acts are a generally bad ideas...

Are you kidding me, are you really that naive???????? If you think that Fraternities do not use high profile alumni to help alleviate problems that may arise....you have your head stuck in the ground. How would that ruine their reputation....most problems that arise that do not concern death or something of an extreme serious nature are dealt with privately. Try again. And yes, there has been a State Senator from SAE UT that has helped in some situations.

As my good friend Robbie Hart would say 'a whoop-a-deee-dooo'.

Do you think some high-profile SAE lawyer/senator/congressman would come to the aid of some piss-ant sophomore who hazed his pledge into hospitalization? Nah, he'd say 'sorry, you're not worth my time. I have a campaign and a reputation to maintain. My next 4 years are worth more than your 10 year jail sentance.'

PS, if you don't know Robbie Hart, that is Adam Sandler in the Wedding Singer.

Hey sport, we have a very good relationship with the high profiles that were SAE at UT. One Senator was a pledge brother with my dad....back in the 70's when they got their balls hazed off. He would help in any situation.....stop acting like you know more about our chapter than we do.
You are just being sad now. Please try harder.

Oh Im sorry, I dont remember me or any of my buddies KILLING one of our pledges.

I guess the whole drink yourself to death is a EX thing

How long have you been initiated?

none of your concern.....why? I am still an undergrad though and have been initiated.

Just genuinely interested. I deduced that you were still undergrad, but just wondering if you were a sophomore or a senior, ever served on the executive council of your chapter, etc.

oh, and once again for kddani and sigmachiguy...........I never said anything about SAE at UT hazing at all, not once. I said I liked some hazing, lineups, and conditioning.

Oh they do. It's happened at the school I went to.

Someone says he likes hazing on the interweb and a chapter somewhere will be investigated as a result? That's jacked.

This is a classic battle between jay-z and now Tx becomes Nas... Who will win this freestyle dis battle....


STAY TUNED FOLKS

Hee. I love Jay-Z but I'd have to go with Nas. One Mic is the greatest song of all time.

NAS will do fine.

Some one ignore her right now! lmao i'm just kidding. Nah i liked One Mic but that wasnt the hottest song ever...I cant really put my finger on the HOTTEST song ever but Dear Summer by Jay Z was fire... Nas doesnt have that many head bangers as Jay Z but Nas always has a message.

I wonder if this is going to get locked soon... a lot of them are getting shut down today....

I think if a district/international officer saw something like that repeatedly, it wouldn't necessary start an investigation, but it would put the chapter on their "radar" as one to keep an eye on.

I see what you're saying, but really, I could create 12 fake internet identities right now and make posts about how I'm a member of whatever at Backass U and here's how we haze, blah blah blah.

Not naive at all. Powerful alums can mean a lot of things. For example, we have a chapter here in Oklahoma that had a hazing issue in the mid 90's. It was not something that the school prosecuted -- the alums did. That door swings both ways. These are the guys that donate money to the chapter. To the chapter's existance, and to their huge financial stake, you as an individual don't mean a damned thing, nor does any active member of your chapter. Your duty is to them.

Don't be foolish with that responsibility.

are you talking about when SAE got kicked off after their rooftop incident? maybe not, but I know that that issue was somewhat involved with the school because we all heard that he kid went to the campus police after he got out of the house.

Yep, I understand that too. That's why it would just put a chapter on the radar and we'd watch closely for more signs.

Did you guys know I'm an SAE at UT?

Me too. I pledged SAE at UT because saetex had such a great influence on my rushing experience. He is everything I believe a fraternity man should be, and I will try my hardest to be just like him.

I just like other dudes.

...no

No, I'm talking about a Sigma Nu chapter. In the early 90's, it was generally top-tier. They had an incident and the alums came in and removed all but 12 members. They haven't really recovered, but who knows? Those alums may have saved a life. They may have saved the chapter from becoming so out of control that HQ had to shut them down.

Alums' interests and responsibilities are not the same as those of actives. We're concerened with the success and existance of the chapter from now 'til infinity. Actives generally speaking cannot see beyond the end of the current semester. Most of the time, the concerns are the same -- finances, grades, recruitment. Oftentimes, they are not. Risk management is at the top of the list of times where those interests are in competition.

agree totally

how offensive to both artists

LMAO....

the only thing offensive is the size of Jay Z's lips......sorry I had no choice

^^LOL!!! Sorry but that was funny.