UVa: You can pledge and still get A's?
 

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArtic...25706&pid=1389

"Movies tend to exaggerate hazing, but at the same time they make it look like you can pledge and still get A's," she said. "And that is just not true."

I would actually agree, especially at UVA.

I think the grade inflation may help.

-Rudey
--Zinger!

well, i had a 3.8 my pledge year of SAE, so I don't know what that aricle is talking about. Most good chapters will make you study as a pledge so that everyone can make their chapters grade requirements.

well, I had a 4.0 when I pledged. My pledge class combined GPA was something like 3.7. Our Most recent was about 3.8. It can happen.

That's as untrue as any other greek-related stereotypes.

I like how the person who made the comment about not being able to pledge and get A's is not a Greek and therefore has never pledged. Funny, I didn't know you could give valid opinions on something you never experienced.

Oh, you can have opinions about stuff you don't know anything about...but that doesn't mean they're accurate. ;)

For the record, I got a 4.0 during my pledge semester.

I didn't know you went to UVA -- awesome!

Didn't you say you go to UTexas in another thread?

yeah, why??

When I was an assistant chapter advisor years ago, we had a brother who held a number of pledge and active offices and managed a 4.0.

He is serving his residency now.

He reminded me a lot of the president of my pledge class who is now head of surgery at a major "big city" hospital.

It's not impossible.

Not easy, either.

I think that if you can just go to all of your classes you can atleast make C's and B's

Yeah, that's reasonably important.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/cram...wb/wb/xp-51554

Pressures could prompt sorority members to quit
"You can’t just get in and be friends with everyone"

I got a 4.0 semester FOR THE FIRST TIME in my college career the semester I pledged.

I think it's funny this has become the "Show off my grades" thread.

Haha.

For the record, my GPA when I pledged was nowhere close to a 4.0, but it was higher than the GPA I got the two semesters after that. :p

Maybe in journalism or liberal arts, but try and do that in difficult classes-calc, chem, physics, engineering, and your ass won't even make Ds. My profs don't care if you come to class, do homework, take notes etc. Everything is based on the three tests you take and possibly a project or two.

UVA is one of the hardest schools to stay in. There is 0 grade inflation.

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It's comical that you assume journalism and liberal arts classes can't be "difficult."

/hijack

well i got bitched at about how political science and pre law classes were all easy so, anything is possible.

You might want to re-read my post on the pledge in one of my chapters who was 4.0 in pre-med while holding both pledge class and chapter offices.

ETA -- I forgot that he was also the president of the student body.

That won't happen in every case, but it can happen.

Blanket statements either way in this situation can't be supported.

At most campuses isn't the All Fraternity GPA generally higher than the All Male GPA? Or am I incorrect about that?

Exactly my thoughts. But at the same token, I know of chapters who have ALL science majors. They get good grades and run an organization. DeltAlum is right, no blanket statement would really work here.

No on both of those statements.

-Rudey
--Zinger X 2

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I guess it all depends on how intelligent you are.

This article was really stupid.

It's downright hilarious.

It really was.

"Maybe in journalism or liberal arts, but try and do that in difficult classes-calc, chem, physics, engineering, and your ass won't even make Ds. My profs don't care if you come to class, do homework, take notes etc. Everything is based on the three tests you take and possibly a project or two."

Well, at the risk of seeming to brag about my grades - I was in the Honors Program and a Geology major. In my pledge semester, which was also my first semester in college, I took 2 honors classes, an upper level spanish class, had weekly labs, and took Calc 2 - and I got a 3.7.

Besides, the pledge semester is not the difficult busy semester, IMO. It's when you're an upperclassman, on executive council, dealing with all the BS that goes on inside your org, trying to take the GREs, apply to grad schools, have a social life (since you're finally old enough to drink legally), find a job, take upper level classes in your major, finish your senior thesis, etc etc etc. I remember looking back on my pledge semester thinking, "man I had it easy back then!"

And in direct response to your comment, we don't all go to schools where profs only care about how you do on your 2 tests and 1 project. I went to a smaller school (less than 10,000 students) where I never had a class with more than 30 kids. So I had a participation grade for almost every class! And some of us who did take chem, physics, calc, geochem, geophysics, etc., we got good grades by going to class and actually listening to the lecture - what a concept!!

Sadly to say, the physical science and engineering deparments at the majority of universities (both public and private) will not give credit for attending lectures. The courses are very difficult and require excessive work outside of class, often for a low grade at the end. As a math/computer science major who is interested in law school, I have experience in a multitude of disciplines. I've taken the "hardest" english class, as well as very intensive history classes, and while the classes weren't easy, the workload was not comparable to my math/science/computer science courses.

That isn't to say that it isn't possible to get good grades in engineering and math/hard science courses. Just that it takes more than attending class to get a B. Going to the class and listening to lectures is vital for success (and comprehension of the material), but it's going to take a lot more work to actually get a decent grade in the class.

Back to the actual topic, my pledge quarter was also my best quarter for grades so far :). Although that also had to do with my courseload (it was my first quarter, so I only took three classes), and the fact that the courses I was taking came easy to me.

First of all, calculus is not hard, neither is physics....engineering is way too broad of a subject for you to generalize. What, Petroleum, Statics, Chemical, Aerospace, Electrical?

I have no need to take any of those classes because I am in law....and I make very good grades....and many of the classes that you probobly think are blowoff can actually be quite difficult.

Maybe in high school calculus and physics weren't hard, but you said you don't take those classes in college(correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty you you would not get an easy A in a course such as organic chemistry or genetics. Just about everyone does. I'm sure you're smart, but take Biochem at a school like UVa and I'm sure you will be challenged to some extent.

I think that getting good grades can be more difficult for anyone that's involved. We had study hours when I was pledging and it was helpful. Overall, my time management skills improved during pledging which was a huge help!

Should have clarrified a little more. I had took chem and calc I and II for requirements. Not that difficult. But I am sure that organic and biochem are pretty damn hard. I toop AP organic in highschool and it was definitely a bitch.

Ummm... there's no AP organic.

http://www.collegeboard.com/student/.../subjects.html

Thanks for telling me what I took in high school. Would you like to tell me anything else about my self that I don't know?

I took AP Organic Chem II in highschool.....I really don't give a flying shit what website you throw up there. College Board or not.

Being that College Board administers and runs the AP exams... i'd tend to give them some credibility.

again, if you would like to tell me more about myself that I do not know....but you do, feel free.