Incorporated?
 

I have a question that's been bouncing around in my head for a while. All (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) of the NPHC orgs have "Inc." after their names. None of the NPC groups do (again, I think). I'm not sure about the IFC groups. Anyway, is there some historical reason why some groups have the "Inc." after their name and some do not? I am asking this question assuming that it's not a secret, and if it is I apologize in advance. I was just curious

Don't you know everything is a secret with the NPHC orgs!!!!

Forgive her MN :')

Hi-

This question was asked a long time ago. Do a search on it or scroll through the old topics and you will find it. People left some very pleasant and informative answers.

Hope that helps.
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here's the link to that thread: http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/...ML/000474.html

There is a difference between this question and the questions you have asked. Kappagirl made an observation and asked a GENERAL question about all 9 organizations. It is a question that can be asked of ANY incorporated entity. You, on the other hand, made observations, asked questions of your friends who are members, was not satisfied with the answers you received (because you felt they did not know, otherwise they would have told you http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif ) and asked questions about things that are none of your business unless you hold membership. You want to know the REAL reason why Kappas carry canes? Become a Kappa. You want to know the meaning behind the Sigma Gamma Rho's handsign? Become a Sigma Gamma Rho. If you want the "real deal" about what happened at Howard during the 1912-13 school year, become an AKA or Delta. I mean goodness, can 93, 92, 89, 88, 87, 86, 80, 77 and 37 year old people have their secrets?? Do you go around telling perfect strangers EVERYTHING about you just because someone asked? I do not think so. I am positive there are things that only your family knows. The organizations of the NPHC are families and A family. I am not saying you cannot ask. What I am saying is do not pout or get upset or sarcastic when we say we cannot tell you.

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Kelli
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
12-Delta Nu-94
MAL, Southern Region
Savannah State University c/o 1997

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited October 28, 2000).]

I am having a good time laughing at your response, my Delta Sister.

It's funny how the other post turned into an AKA/Delta debate and not once did an a AKA or a Delta say anything negative. This is the cat fight the outsiders wanted.

So whatever happened in 1913 why would it matter to you, unless you are a part of it?

I have respect and love for all Greeks and unless you are a mature person and become Greek yourself will you stop the hating and asking stupid questions. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

For the record, Kappagirl, the NIC and NPC orgs are in all likelihood incorporated entities, meaning that they are registered 501(c)3 tax exempt organizations. Therefore, legally and officially they are incorporated and their full official names probably end in "Inc." The only difference is that they do not proclaim the "Inc." title everytime they announce their name. You don't hear "Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity, Inc." or "Pi Beta Phi Sorority, Inc." umpteen times even though they can and have every right to do so.

My theory is that the Black (and Latino/a) GLOs add "Inc." at the end as an expression of originality and to, for lack of a better word, "protect" their name from illicit parties usage. Since legally they are already protected from such, addressing the organization with the "Inc." at the end, in nonformal discussion and conversation is IMHO rather trivial and has a hint of arrogance attached. I am sure NIC and NPC orgs share similar feelings as mine. Now I do know that many Black professional organizations have also followed suit with the "inc" thing and my opinion is intact to that regard.

Hope that helps.

Da Rain Man

When refering to the organization in conversation, formal or not, we use "Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated" because that is how our organization wishes to be commonly known. I would imagine the other NPHC organizations have the same stipulation. It is no different than addressing a person how s/he wishes to be addressed. Would you call a person who does not allow you to address her/him by a shortened version her/his name arrogant as well, or would you respect their wish because it is her/his name and not yours?

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited October 30, 2000).]

I will respect your wish and right to add the "Inc." to your name. However, that still begs the question, "What's the point?"

Rain Man

The point is, we strived long and hard to gain incorporation and, as you said in your own post, we are well within our rights to use "Inc." after our name.

Tell you what Rain Man, why don't you write a letter to:

Gwendolyn Boyd, National President
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
1707-09 New Hampshire Ave, NW
Washington, D.C. 20009

and ask since my answer was not sufficient. Do you question business corporations as to why they call themselves as they do? If you do, you have entirely too much time on your hands.

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited October 31, 2000).]

12dn94dst- That was a good answer http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Isn't it interesting that our headquarters is right down the street from yours. When me and my friend were neos (she's a Delta), we went to see our respective headquarters and were so excited! Aww, that was the good ole days.

ZetaAce

PS>Sorry about the tangent, lol!

I won't even dignify that last question with an answer. I will say however that all too often when speaking with a NPHC member in casual conversation the "inc" is mentioned in a very arrogant tone, thus drawing my conclusion of "what's the point?" To further add insult to injury these same cocky individuals have had the audacity to say that Alpha Phi Omega (my frat) in not a real fraternity because it is not incorporated. If that means we don't use the inc every single time we say our name, then I guess we ain't real. BTW, we have been an incorporated entity since 1929 and have been reincorporated with the state of Missouri since Jan 29, 1968 based on our bylaws.
Again, to answer Kappagirl, NPC and NIC orgs do not use "inc" every single time the org is mentioned because in all likelihood it is probably seen as a superfluous addition to the name and unless official recogninition demands, not necessary.

End of story.

Rain Man

Sounds to me like when you call a Dr. Mr. They get all pissy. They earned the title. If it's that big of a deal to them, so be it.

"I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called Mr." or something like that http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

Isn't it true that not all NPHC groups are incorporated in every state? I've heard something to this effect.

For NIC and NPC groups, the aspect of incorporation (I think) is implied...most of these groups have been around for (at least) 100 years, and it's assumed that they're incorporated. For a group that's only been around for 80 or so years, maybe it's more important to denote that you're incorporated.

Perhaps we need a lawyer with corporate law experience to comment on this "Inc." issue.
I've read all the posts and I still don't quite understand why the "Inc." is there. There must some sort of tax advantage or financial implications to being incorporated. Still, the NPHC sororities are "Their Name Sorority Inc.", whereas the NPC sororities are usually just "Their Name Sorority or Fraternity". Why don't the NPC sororities have this? Is there some sort of different financial implications?

Perhaps we need a lawyer with corporate law experience to comment on this "Inc." issue.
I've read all the posts and I still don't quite understand why the "Inc." is there. There must some sort of tax advantage or financial implications to being incorporated. Still, the NPHC sororities are "Their Name Sorority Inc.", whereas the NPC sororities are usually just "Their Name Sorority or Fraternity". Why don't the NPC sororities have this? Is there some sort of different financial implications?

somehow my computer did a "blip" and posted twice. I do apologize.

Until we get a lawyer (like Cutie said)or a president of one of these organizations will we ever really know except for someones opinion? As far as I can tell it is irrelevant except to organizations that choose to have "Inc." at the end of everything. Whether it is arrogance or it serves a legal purpose. Isn't this one of those topics that is not an opinion but a fact. There is a real reason why they use them. As of right now none of us can give the official reason.

Does it matter? Some choose to put Inc. at the end of their org. name....Some don't...What the hell does it MATTER?! None at all. I hate it when HBGLO's get questioned about every thing that goes on within the orgs...Why do you use the "Grip" so much?...Why is everything secret?...Why do you only use your own colors on nalia'?...Why do you put Inc. after your org. name? (like all these are bad things to do!!! )..Why...Why..Why..WHY NOT is my question! That is just how things go in HBGLO's...get used to it.
Why must YOU (Rainman if you don't know who I'm directing this to) try to put a whole legacy of organizations down because you don't practice the same procedures within your org. It's idiotic!!! Get over it...

Fanny Granny
All I said was I did not see the point why HBGLOs felt they have to put the "Inc" at the end the name EVERY SINGLE TIME they said the name, particularly when mentioning their three-letter name would be sufficient. I was not putting anybody down.

Also, since you said these things NPHC orgs do, get used to it, I would say that the HBGLO members need to get used to this type of questioning and scrutiny. This is not anything new and is not going to go away anytime soon.

Fanny Granny, lighten up, A'ight?

Rain Man

Here we go, again. Rain Man. WHy is it that every time someone asks a question of BGLO practices/standards, you act as if though your is the only qualified answer. I find it intersting (check it out on other posts) that when people ask questions that really don't pertain to or many BGLO members don't feel "qualified" to answer, we just shut up.
I think the members of BGLOs answered the questions appropriately without you further agitating the situation with the "why?" comments.

Additionallyy, how come one or two people say something to you and you go and roast the entire NPHC. For you to say that we say the Incorporated arrogantly is crazy. Or that someone in a BGLO said that Alphi Chi Omega isn't real because they aren't incorporated so that somehow implicates all of us.

Tell you what, I personally don't care if you are or aren't incorporated. I know who is. And my Soror 12dn4dst gave a very good answer to KappaGirl in that at the time our organizations were incorporated, not many Black organizations were accomplishing such things as easily as white organizations. Therefore, we are proud of our incorporated status.

Just my thoughts, sweetie.

To my Sisters and Brothers in Greekdom Peace out!

OH YEAH, AND A BIG

OOOOOOO-OOP to my Sorors of *clearing my throat*

DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, IIIIIINNNNNCORPORATED!!!!!!!

Deltabrat, I only have 2 points to make and I'm gonna wrap this up:

1. It's one thing to show pride in an achievement, eg being incorporated, getting a degree, etc., but it's another to shove that title or status in everyone else's face and to force them to accept it. It only harbors resentment and feeds a spirit of rebellion. Whether you worked hard for it or not is no excuse and is of no consequence.

2. (and this is PURE IRONY) First you said that for me to say that [NPHCers] use the Incorporated arrogantly is crazy. You ended your post by saying "Delta.....INNNCOOORPORATED" in that very same arrogant tone I was telling you about.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

PING *trilon (flippy box) on Level 6 reveals a "Whew" logo indicating a sucessful win for Rain Man as "Whew" fanfare plays*
(Another "Whew" thang, yall)

Da Rain Man
*stepping from the green "charger" podium ready to take on the Gauntlet of Villians* http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Hi Deltabrat--

I just wanted to make a clarification. I am not commenting on the argument, just a specific.

I believe Rainman is speaking of Alpha PHI Omega, not my sorority Alpha CHI Omega. APO is a national co-ed service fraternity while AXO is a national sorority.

No Alpha Chi Omega has ever spoken badly about the BGLO's on this board so I just wanted to clarify that so that you don't get the 2 confused.

Thanks! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Can we just say that it is TRADITION and leave it alone?

Another
Devastating
Diva of
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority IIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCORPORATED!!



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mccoyred

Dynamic
Salient
Temperate

Rain Man:

C'mon homie. To say that that was arrogant is plain nuts! You cannot see me, my facial expressions or other non-verbal gestures. The arrogance that you speak of is simply YOUR INTERPRETATION of it because you don't understand it. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but you cannot say that I or the way I say something is arrogant based on the way I typed it. That is ludicrous. So your point hasn't been proven.

Peace out.

Oh yeah, and blank bloom blip and a *wink* and wince or whatever else, too.

Oh, and cash78mere, my humblest apologies for that mistake. See what happens when people speak on things they don't know much about?

OUT!

[This message has been edited by DELTABRAT (edited November 03, 2000).]

Deltabrat,

We have agreed to disagree. And YES, I spoke on something I didn't know about and said so in no uncertain terms b/c I was trying to understand it.

*ROTFL at the blank bloom blip, etc*
I needed that laugh (the computer server at my job was down much of the day and just got back on line and the office up until now has been a madhouse of activity).

I am gonna email you at how "Whew" is played and how I incorporate such terms as "charge", "block", and "Longshot!" into my casual/cyber conversations.

Have a good weekend.

Da Rain Man

You too Rain Man!!!

Promised myself that I wasn't going to jump in this one http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif. Sigh. This was an innocent question originally. I would think that most National GLO's are incorporated, and that incorporation means the same for all.

Regarding NPHC orgs (particular sororities') use of the term "incorporation":
For those that think they hear "arrogance" when a member of any NPHC sorority states the name of that said organization...that "arrogance" is not (or should not be) directed at other GLOs--in fact, it has nothing to do with other GLOs, non-Greek affiliates or anyone else at all. The best way I can describe it is:

To understand the history or tradition of any one NPHC Sorority, it is sometimes necessary to understand something of the history of ALL NPHC Sororities.

Those who know my posts know I am usually pretty free giving information, but this is really one of those cases where it's not so much a secret, it's a specific tradition born of our collective and individual histories. Those of my sister-sorors who understand what I'm talking about (and many of you do, based on your posts—it’s just difficult to articulate) can understand what I'm getting at here.

Best,
a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Innnnncorporated!


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In my first post on this subject, I essentially said the same thing you are saying now, yet everyone chose to ignore it.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

Rain Man

I learned something new today!

I was on the Alpha Omicron Pi website today (it is an NPC sorority) and learned that they actually do have "inc." in their name too. (I was always under the erroneous impression that NPHC groups have "Inc.", whereas NPC groups do not)
http://www.alphaomicronpi.org/conten...cies/term.html
They had a page on terminology policies and it said this:
Alpha Omicron Pi Fraternity, Inc.

The term "incorporated" shall not be used on fraternity publications or stationery except where it is legally required.

So I learned that at least *one* NPC group uses "Inc." too, not just the NPHC groups.
I would venture a guess that other NPC groups have "Inc." in their name too, even if this is not explicitly addressed on their websites.

I thought I would share that "find" with you!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif