Dissing other Greeks in step shows. Good 4 greek life or bad?
 

I think its all fun and games and should not be taken to heart. I have love for my organization as I would think others do for theirs. So if you have love for your group, it should not get to you what someone else puts in their show. Does it?

I think some things shouldn't be done. I know on my yard where tension between the frats is high we stick to some rules. We don't diss each others sacred things. Once the alphas dissed the Ques to Atomic dog. After the hail of beer bottles and trash cans stopped flying people (or should I say alphas) were hurt and pissed. So just don't go too far.

YO
 

This is a very interesting topic. At my homekoming step-show, we did a diss. The Alphas had just crossed a line, and some people on the campus questioned their sexuality. Just in pure fun, but we did a "Trapped in the CLoset" segment about the Alphas. To get to the point, on the part of the song where R.Kelly says, "I open the door, and I'll be got da#n it's man!" part, we had two bros dressed in Black and Gold come out of a makeshift closet and started booty dancing, and doing the Alpha train in a VEEEERY feminine way. When we pulled this stunt, the whole crowd was in shock. It was like one of those "No they didn't" silences. To this day, there is tension between us for that. So to the greek community, would that be considered as overboard?

Times a changin'
 

:o :eek:

Okay, see I AM old!

:(

Re: Times a changin'
 

Told you!

Re: YO
 

OH MY DAMN!!!

Overboard ain't hardly the word.:eek: :eek: :( :o :eek:

I am curious as to why you all spent that much energy dissing the Alphas instead of uplifting your own org. :eek:

How would you have felt if the Alphas spent 15 minutes of their routine doing nothing but dropping canes?:o

When I moved to Atlanta, I saw something that I had never seen before: fraternities dissing sororities. At my undergrad, the frats may make jokes about the the other frats, and the sororities may do the same, but I'd never seen this cross-gender dissing before. It started when a certain fraternity had a probate show, invited all the sororities, and then preceeding to tell the sororities to "suck they d*ck", and some other unmentionable things. Since then a sorority proceeded to have a coming out show that most of the time dissing that same frat, and then this year that frat dissed the sorority again.

I think its childish and petty, especially between fraternities and sororities. And at the end of the day, it makes the whole D9 look bad, especially on this campus because a lot of non-greeks don't respect them anyway (which is a topic for a whole other thread).

LOL
 

The jury is still split on whether it was overboard or not. I respect your opinion CrimsonTide4, but if you would have seen it, you would've laughed too. It's alot of backstory as to why this happened though. I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with friendly competition. It's all fair, as long as you can shake hands afterward, and chill together with a fellow greek. Maybe they shouldn't be so sensitive...............

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seen that too many times in diss struts and probate shows along with a messed up shimmy.
OVER.......DONE!!!
ironically the one that dropped the cane wanted to be a NUPE. anyway, it depends on the context. I have seen Kappa disses that I even laughed at and I have seen some that took a lot not to get involved in something "ignant".
either way, often it comes off as a group of non-creative, obsessed, and insecure people when the disses are done. Besides, why would you want to move the attention to the other group when you're performing? but if it is honestly funny and not "cut-throat" types of disses, I guess it is cool.

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You askedSo to the greek community, would that be considered as overboard?

To which I stated Overboard ain't hardly the word. That statement equals yes I do think it was overboard.

Had I seen it, I doubt I would have laughed. You assume too much about me in your above response. "but if you would have seen it, you would've laughed too."

There have been stepshows where fights have broken out over disses and orgs have been suspended from campus. Ask yourself this, would my Founders have been pleased? Would they have said well done _________ chapter? Would they have laughed and cheered you on?

Again the diss that Cain referenced, I see as extremely overboard. And had it been my Sorors doing the same skit or one similar to it, I would not have been pleased. But thankfully of the stepshows I have attended, I have been fortunate not to witness anything like that. Repeat, that I HAVE ATTENDED. :D

:( why the need to diss anyone when will we wake up and let old habits DIE, nothing productive comes out of this type of display behind every diss or joke is an underlying meaning,




WAKE UP says SPIKE LEE

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Everything that's funny doesn't need to be said or done, especially not in the name of one's own organization.

I expect fraternity men to be gentlemen, and I've never been impressed with these new school disses -- absolutely no reason to be complex about it, ESPECIALLY when it comes to poking fun at somebody's sexuality on the college level.

Disses that I think are more appropriate are the ultra G rated ones. I saw the Sigmas at Howard say that the Ques stepped like Frankenstein. Tee hee, ha ha, then it was over. I thought it was cute, the crowd had a good laugh, then we moved on.

Last summer, the Alphas at FSU did 'Trapped in the Closet'. The two gay men in the story where suppose to be both Alpha's and Ques. This year at FSU's Extrav the Ques in their show where fighting terrorism as the Q-team. The three terrorist where Papa Smurf (Sigma, old and tired diss) Nupe Paul (Instead of RuPaul) and Bicurious George (Alphas). I do think that all these disses involving sexuality are a bit overboard. People need to learn to be more creative.

Now one diss that I saw and I was like wow was the FAMU Homecoming Stepshow 2004. Both Chapters of AKA and DST are named BA. That year DST dissed the BA-AKA so hard. Even though everything they were saying was true, it was hard to believe that they would actually do it in a stepshow. It wasn't your typical general diss but it was on a more personal level about somethings that were happening at the chapter at the time. I wish though more competitive stepshows banned dissing. Now if it's a yard show or probate show I don't care but when you're competing then compete.

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Well it seems we all go a bit overboard. The Alphas in their last probate show broke plastic canes and trew them at us. Well we proceeded to light paper on fire and chanted, "Paper burns on the sands, paper burns in Kappa Land." At the Deltas probate show the Deltas brought out a huge pink mirror drapped in ivies and proceeded to smash it to bits with red baseball bats. This is all "funny", but in the long run pointless. Very pointless.

When I am judging a show....
Shows with disses... suffer...on my score card....

Huh?
 

:confused: I might have misread this part of your post but for some reason I'm not getting it? Help me out here.

Can be funny at times
 

The verdict is still out on this one for me but I will say this much- I would not be worrying about dissing another org at my Probate! I understand there is tension between orgs on campuses but I just don't see the Probate as a time to "get even":( Come to think of it I wouldn't waste too much time at a stepshow taking digs at other organizations. Now I have been to quite a few stepshows where there was dissing all over the place and I was quite amused but I couldn't myself on the stage participating in it.

Ditto, and I'm even harder on my own sorors when they diss. What used to be considered "funny" has become mean-spirited and crass. No need to clown someone else if you are secure in you own choice.

With all respect to you and those who feel dissing is wrong i must whole heartedly disagree. I'm a neo so my experience to greek life is limited... approaching one year on 3-10-06... however i questioned why we would diss the other orgs at our pro show and the explanation given to me was for show material. We could get up there and do all our history, chants, steps and what not and it would be a great show however how much of it would stick with the crowd? The unwritten rule on Ohio State's campus is not to use names... diss the org not the individual. The alpha's used names and called people out who are in attendance and who had just crossed other orgs. That is over board in my opinion... but like a previous poster had stated... i've heard Idaho potato... Iota who.. and all the other b.s. that has been said in pro shows... i do get upset when people *uck up the Centaur but thats because i love that. I've heard some stuff said about my org that has made me cry it was so funny but i know it aint real or true or whatever... it was just funny... hahah and its over...


Times have changed and its a dog eat dog world out there...

Show material?

Your prophytes are wrong. And you went along with it, and now you will teach others to do the same thing. Then five years from now, the boundaries that you think are set in stone will be pushed back until somebody's feelings get hurt or there's a fight.

It's easier to be positive, don't you think?

You make it seem like every diss is totally malicious and should ignite a war... there are things you can say and things you can do that are a "diss" and yet dont truly offend the other org...

Now it is easier to be positive that i cant deny or argue. I just see it as we had fun doin what we did and we made the crowd laugh. Then 2 weeks later when that kappa line crossed... they got us. To this day we laugh and joke about both shows and there is no anomosity between orgs based off of the pro shows...


I just find it ironic that people can have a comedy roast and all of the people around them can sound off and blast that person and its all good fun but a proshow cant take the same kinda concept?

I wont sit here in front of God and the other GCers and say our show was squeaky clean because there were personal beefs between INDIVIDUALS that had influence in some of the show.

I can however say that i gained some friends in other orgs from the show and the fact that we all can laugh at the stuff said is enough for me to say that what was done was done in good fun.

@ ohiocentaur

that's cool that your campus can laugh like that, but you gotta understand showmanship. if i go up there and put on a good show and in that show i diss the Iotas all people will remember is the part about the Iotas. As for during the show, as soon as i say "Iota", the attention, my org's spotlight, has went to Iota b/c the crowd wants to see/ hear the response.
i want My org to shine in the show not yours.


also, on my campus one certain sorority makes it a tradition to diss the another certain sorority at step, probate, and yard shows. needless to say, all people, greek and non greek, think negative thing about that org b/c of that even if their disses are entertaining.

lastly, it can be seen as a lack of creativity if you have to use stereotypes or mention other orgs to have a show.

I can respect what your saying and also say this... again i say i am only a neo... my dealings with pro shows and step shows and dissing other orgs is limited to the things i've encountered in the year i've been greek. Alot of my friends went online the same time i did and we all crossed the same year so i guess that plays a role in it.

But i guess a better question is what can be done to stop this??? If one group stops they will simply become the easiest target on the yard....

i don't know if it needs to be stopped. i think it is more of if the orgs involved are on the same page with what is said and meant.

and as far as not responding:
concerning the two sororities i mentioned earlier, at a recent NPHC interest meeting we had, the majority of the female interests were at the table of the sorority that gets attacked and none were at the table of the sorority that does the attacking. that is response enough. i.e. we won the show you did'nt. we do not need to respond.

I see both sides. We, the greeks on my campus, get together some times and have a good ole diss-fest in the parking lot. Chants, strolls, steps...the whole nine yards. Some of the nastiest things are said and done in this time, but we know it's all in fun. My prophites warned us not to do this in the presence of the general public. They might misread some things. So as a show of unity, after every diss-fest or whatever, we shake hands and hug... It builds fellowship. I just hope in the future we could find better ways to come together.

That sounds like fun... but anywho... there really isnt more i can say because you basically sumed it all up... I do however have a question.......


There any 12's where u at? I'm tryin to find my club nationwide... let me know if there are any 12's out that way :)

No... Sorry the Iotas haven't had a line with more than two individuals since 2003.

Interesting....;)

Yes, that is response enough. Unfortunately, everyone won't see it that way. ;) You know, with the blinders and such.

I wasnt talkin just Iota... I got love for all 12's...

I'll be posting them soon...

I appreciate that...

The fact that college educated individuals would fight over something someone has said is totally ridiculous. I will admit that I do feel a certain way when other orgs take shots at my Sorority especially when they are attacking our history but never once has it ever resulted in me laying hands on someone. For me, that would be far worse than anything anyone could have ever said. Some people are going to attribute the fighting to those individuals being new in their respective organizations but sadly enough, I've seen some more seasoned members come to blows. :(

....And Senusret, I know you weren't condoning fighting in your post but I quoted you anyway since you bought it up;) .

Come out / Probate shows should ONLY be about your organization.

Formal competitive stepshows... same rules apply.

I would only subscribe to playing the 'dozens' on informal YARD SHOWS only.

Re: YO
 

lol, this must be becoming a popular diss. The GK AKAs dissed the Deltas to this song too. Long story short, they had a Delta line come out. At the part where R. Kelly says he couldn't believe it was a man, an AKA pulled the wig off of the Delta girl and..........it was a man. That was too funny. The Deltas were extremely mad and took it to university officials. I don't think it was that serious, but oh well. To each his own.

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:( That is way too overboard for the Alpha and the Delta situation-why diss at someone else's expense it only cheapens you in the process I was taught after reactivating that one should show respect to all other greek letter organizations-somehow this is not being communicated to those in undergrad! One would hope that dissing would be passe some major reeducation is needed for all organizations!

AKA2D '91 I think I must be getting old too...Spring '92
Although there were fights and such between different organizations I made it a point to stress to my Sorors that they were not allowed to diss at all in any stepshows. I don't feel that it is necessary. Back in the day you could poke fun at one another and it was ok but things started changing. People started getting real mean spirited. It looks so bad to see Greeks fighting on campus & away at other stepshows. People thought we were crazy.

We tried to pull it into a more positive direction by taking it back old school and did 'tributes' to highlight each fraternity and sorority. You don't have to be negative to win stepshows. And as far as clowning people's history I don't find that funny at all.

Here we are all African Americans. Look at our history there. Look at what all of our Founders went through to establish our organizations. We were considered the elite in the black community. We were considered leaders. We are supposed to be living up to those same ideals.

I know for a fact if my aunt/Soror ever caught me clowning like that in a stepshow or anywhere else she would personally kick my behind and she's a senior citizen now.

I know when I graduated from undergrad they were having talks and meetings about doing away with all BGLOs at the undergrad level. :eek: :eek: :eek:
I couldn't believe that the topic even came up but then lawsuits and such started pouring in and things were kind of spinning out of control. People were pissed about the MIP but the old heads were not playing. I remember one Pan-Hell. meeting that we all got blasted out at. I think everyone was stunned into silence.

We never thought pledging on the yard, etc. would be taken away. But we all know the outcome there. I've heard people talk so badly about the Greeks I'm left trying to figure out what is going on.

Just something to think about: I remember students joking that the Greeks were just like gangs. They said that we have colors, hand signs and violence just like gangs. All of our community service and work was completely ignored & the only thing that stuck out were all of the fights and disses.

i sooooo agree!

i've seen it turn really personal and really ugly and it's all really unnecessary.

i can't, for the life of me, figure out why someone would dedicate a probate show to dissing another organization. you come off as pressed. and at my UG, one particular organization went to great lengths and spent a lot of time just to diss an organization and even mentioned that organization in their "greetings" (which was such a joke but i won't go there). it begs the question of why you pledged; is it for the love of ABC or the hate for XYZ? it comes off as the latter and it just looks foolish!

i think sometimes, people forget what discretion means. it is more than just "don't tell someone what you want to pledge." discretion is careful decision-making and i don't think that greeks are doing things with discretion. i know that it's supposed to be in fun, but i wouldn't sit through a 30-minute diss of my sorority then pay $10-$20 to support your premier event...

{{We are HERE}}

;) :o

clownin is just that. particularly if you're in another org and you're obviously cool with the people you're dissing. good fun, and that's it.