what does it mean?
 

Moteesir....what does that mean?

Re: what does it mean?
 

Finally paying attention to Chaos' siggy, huh? :D

More tea Sir? in slave talk--we couldn't be too articulate then, because that meant we were reading and that was a crime punishable by a whipping at the least and death at the most.

moteesir?
 

wonder if that is akin to "hodydoe?"

Why ask if you're not going to pay attention to the answer that ladygreek so nicely provided for you?

Thank you. And I have no idea what "hodydoe" is. But I was trying to give an honest answer and he took it there.

Chaos' siggy has been there a long time now and it was prompted by a post where a Black person was complimented for being articulate. If folx really want segregation to stop and for us to be a color-blind society, then they really need to think about some of the things they say, and the implications of such.

It may sound petty, but believe me it is a big deal.

Hold the door.

This is unbelievable. hodydoe, Eric? Seriously, how dare you?

Thanks :D

And now, I know longer wonder about his post in the Pike thread, I understand fully from where he is coming. It really underscores the questions some of us have about the Pikes at HU.

We?? I didn't realize you were once a slave ladygreek. My ancestors owned a farm in Germany. Does that make me a farmer?

You are proving your own point. It's really not fair, but people equate using words like "folx" instead of "folks" with things like "Moteesir" and "hodydoe". I'm not picking on you, I'm just pointing it out.

I understand your questions too and it is your right to question our intentions with PiKA and I tried to anwser them, but no longer will I do so because it became negative as opposed to being inquisitive.

Oh and since it was said about me being articulate my question is why do we always see that as negative? I do understand the previous implications from older society, but can you deny the lack of the ability to speak in an appropriate fashion, that many young black people exhibit these days?

I agree that some people can code switch, I myself can do it, but how many of us can't? (For the black people) How many times in your own head, have you seen some young people talking and been dissapointed because you know that that speach will not help them in today's world? Seriously let's not lie to ourselves here.

:( too much...

Um, folx is internet shorthand--nothing more, nothing less.

And as for me being a slave--yes I had relatives who were, and I remember the stories. But beyond that, what I stated is a known fact. And very honestly it still manifests itself today, i.e. some of the posts here on GC.

To whom are you responding? The quote feature is your friend.

I just checked and there have been 294 views of this thread since yesterday. So, why have only seven people said a word? Is it just easier to fade into the background and not get involved? I know it's difficult...

Y'all, some of the comments in this thread are unabashedly racist and *some* are unforgivably ignorant.

:(

As to Erik, most of us have known for a long time that he is racist, and he frequently makes sexist comments as well. We have called him out on it numerous times when he makes off color comments. People want to excuse him because he's elderly and in poor health. However, many of us (well, mostly the females... the people making excuses for him tend to be male) have called him out on it frequently, to no avail.

As to Alphafrog, she doesn't quite have the history that Erik does, so I don't know what to say.

A couple people's true colors have been seen in this thread... well, for one of them, we knew exactly what he was for a long time anyway.

I'm really not trying to be racist, but it really bothers me when someone in 2006 can talk about being a slave in the first person, and then in the same breath, wonder why everyone isn't colorblind. It's great that you feel close to your heritage, but you can't talk about it like it happened to you. I took a class in college about the Holocaust, taught by the President of the university whose parents both survived concentration camps, but he never said anything like "When we were in the camps...". I know being Jewish is different then being black, but I can't think of any other comparison to express what I mean.

If someone has tea, I'll take a glass. I'm hungover as balls and can't take anything sweet right now but some dull tea would probably make me feel a bit better.

Oh because you've never been too much. :rolleyes:

Thank your for that, because I didn't know. Very honestly if I had known I would not have posted a response.

The bottom line is you don't know how old I am and what I have experienced personally. When my great grandmother talked about slavery, yes I felt it personally. And when growing up I encountered physical abuse because of the color of my skin, and yes it affected me personally.

Jewish people still have white skin and can assimilate if they so choose. I respect those who both do and do not, because I understand why those who do, do. But the bottom line is my skin is brown and I cannot .

So for you to tell me I can't speak in the voice of my ancestors is ludicrous. Because I still live it every day.

Weeeeeeellllllllllll
*waving my church fan*

I am responding to the room in general about pike and about my feelings on the moteesir discussion.

P.S.

I am black and although I do feel that the society in general (us include) are still racist. I do feel as though sometimes we use it as a crutch. It seems as though we often place blame on others rather than do it ourselves. Now, I am in no way justifying racism or saying that is non exsistent, just saying that when will we stop complaining and start doing in spite of.

What room?

I think you meant to post in the other thread about Pike at Howard.

Amen!!!

I am a generation behind LadyGreek and thus another generation from the shadow of slavery, but having read and seen movies depicting slavery, I still use the first person plural pronoun when talking about slavery.

I was never in the Civil Rights Movement either but I again use the first person plural pronoun.

I really am tired of slavery being compared to the Holocaust. I know both are periods of time of hardship, persecution, and such, but the experiences were different.

You're right, I don't know how old you are, but I don't believe there are any living men or women who were slaves.
Assimilation has nothing to do with skin color. It's about customs, and culture, not about color.
If you speak as a slave, you are giving people like Erik license to treat you as one. Perception is a HUGE part of racism. If you want to be percieved as a slave, go ahead, but then don't get bent out of shape because people aren't colorblind. As the saying goes "You can't have your cake and eat it too".

And before I get further accused of being racist, I do have friends that are black, and I don't think of them any different then my white or hispanic friends, or for that matter, my Mexican husband.

It's not just the Holocaust; it's the pogroms throughout Europe, it's the Islamic fundamentalists wanting to exterminate the Jews etc.

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We do exactly what ladygreek did all the time, especially for rhetorical or symbolic purposes. It's simply identifying with the larger group of which one is a part. By saying "we," she identifies with those African-Americans, including her ancestors, who have gone before. How many of us have used "we" to refer to things our GLO did long before we came along? ("We chartered our second chapter in 1900")

When we sing the national anthem, we sing about "what so proudly we hailed . . . o'er the ramparts we watched," although I doubt any of us were in Baltimore during the war of 1812. We mean "we" as Americans.

As for your professor, he may never had said "we" when he talked about the Holocaust, but I'd be willing to bet that at Passover, he said something along the lines of "With a strong hand the Almighty led us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage."

You know what youngun, I am way past the notion of blaming everything on racism. I acknowledge and accept the responsibility of what we should accomplish within our control. I have accomplished much. My daughter, an Alpha Chapter Delta, has accomplished much. So until you get into the real world miss me with your rhetoric.

:(

Oh goody. I have friends of all kinds of ethnicities too. As a matter of fact, I am a bunch of different things. Let's all sing Kumbaya and be cheerful please.

You're my friend and I love your Black, White, Jewish, Muslim, descendant of slaves self. :D

Kumbayaaaaaaaaaaa my Lord

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And before I get further accused of being racist, I do have friends that are black, and I don't think of them any different then my white or hispanic friends, or for that matter, my Mexican husband.
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Now what??? Am I not allowed to have friends that are black? Or am I just not allowed to point out that their black??

Well Mam,

I am not speaking to anyone directly so please do not take this personally. I am speaking in general. Obviously whether you agree or not all of us that sit here to discuss issues such as this are somewhat enlightened. That fact you cannot deny. The problem is we are the minority. Also realize that because I am in college does not mean I am ignortant to reality and the real world. Some of us live it everyday, paying our way through college, taking care of family, and working in the community. I don't appretiate the real world comment nor was I trying to say that you personally were doing nothing. However can you deny that there is some truth in what I am saying, If not I would like to see your world and how it functions.

"I have friends who are black" is just a very common statement made that saddens me.

Obviously you missed the point of Chaos' siggy, and my explanation. I do not speak as a slave, but I do refer to our history in the first person, because as I said we still see it today.

I posted in another thread about my scoring through the roof on an IBM admissions test. What I didn't say was when my White boss told me how I did, how shocked he was. That is what I am talking about--to this day expectations of Black folx is low, whether you want to believe it or not.

Just think about it-- my use of the word folx. If I had not been Black would you have considered it a bastation of the word folks?

Have you guys seen www.blackpeopleloveus.com?

So if we are articulate, we then give Erik a license to accept us. And of course we want that. To be accepted by 'the man'. ;)

I don't think you're racist, but missing the point that if you say you have 'black', 'white', or 'hispanic' friends, it's just showing that you're not colorblind either. We're not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.