Nupes that only deal with other Nupes made undergrad
 

Not really messing with a lot of grads. I usually only deal with someone that was made undergrad after we have a little talk about his road to kappa Land. But their are a few grad Chaps that are kool. Just a few;)

So if you join an alumni chapter and it makes some new initiates, you will ignore them?

A brother is a brother enough said.

The reason for my comments would be that I have met many Grad Chapters that have turned their backs on undergrads. They forget that they were once undergrads themselves and that some of these new brothers are young and will make mistakes. Turning your back on them instead of guiding them is something I don't think shows brotherhood. Thats why there are only a few Grad chapters that we as a whole here in Illinois are kool with.

Brother is a brother
 

I feel that, a brother is a brother. I give every brother in my organization their respect. But at the same time I kick it more with brothers that I know are good. But when ever I meet another brother its nothing but respect no matter where there from.

I think this is interesting because a lot of people have a similar mentality whether they will admit it or not I have heard several undergraduate sorors say that they dont deal with people who came in through graduate chapters. When I pledged we always felt that people in the graduate chapters were just out to get us in trouble and report us for hazing violations so its hard to get close to people who you are always trying to hide things from and people who you know dont understand what it is like to be an undergraduate soror!!!!

Well thats good to hear. Someone who knows what i'm talking about. When you are told to watch out for a certain group, brother or not its hard to trust them. I have seen other so kalled brothers turn each other in because they dont understand kause they never went through it.

:eek:

I used to have that same way of thinking.

You will really miss out on meeting a lot of good brothers like that.
Believe me, I am all for a scroller getting his issue, but pledging is not always indicative of "Being a Real Man". It only means that you didn't quit. Nevertheless, there are some grad chapter brothers (even intake undergrad) that are good people, even though they weren't on that wall.

If I had to choose between a brother who pledged and is shady or a grad chapter brother who didn't pledge and keeps it real, I would rather choose the grad chapter brother. Besides, when you get older, you are supposed to grow out of that COLLEGE way of thinking (pledging included).

Of course, I never touched a scroller in my life. 4 the record
:rolleyes:

I think it would be appropriate to just say that you feel a bit leary of some grad members (can't judge all by the actions of one) instead of saying you only mess with undergrad cause like me and many others eventually your work will continue on the grad level.

Yanno, if you weren't breaking the rules in the first place you wouldn't have to worry about "trusting" brothers in alumni chapters.

It's not a matter of them not understaning, it is a matter of them knowing the harm that it could bring to the fraternity as a whole. Hopefully, someday you will get to that place, too.

I know what you mean. The oldest brother in my chapter is 23 and the yougest brother in our grad chapter is I believe 37. There is a 14 year gap in which our chapter bruhs seem to transition into the alumni chapter. Most of us don't deal with alumni bruhs because we assume the obvious and they have in some ways turned their backs on us. But we are trying to end this negative trend. Like many bruhs say, A bruh is a bruh...

Amen to this Soror.

Hey all, please don't assume that all Alumni Brothers fall into the category your talking about. Snitchin? Never. I know some Alumni Bruhs, including myself, that pledged harder and smarter then alot of undergrad Bruhs. I'm 25 years old, and due to a cease and desist on my campus, I was forced to pledge grad when I got out. I wouldn't take back my experience for anything. I'm all for the undergrad experience and I respect my fellow Nupe, wherever he comes from and how ever he made it to my land. As long as he's doing his work and honoring the Bond, I could care less if he met the Doktor. I know alot of undergrad Bruhs who pledged hard for 10 long weeks and now they're NO where to be found. I can't respect that. Show your face, take care of your business in the Frat, and Achieve like Kappas do. If all that is being taken care of, the question of HOW you got into the Frat doesn't concern me.

I love this site damnit! I love my Bruhs and yall fellow Greeks!

Phi

Well said!!!!

hmmmm

Old thread, but I like it.

I pledged undergrad 15 years ago. I guess I feel like this. If a brother isn't made right, it's kool. It just bothers me a little knowing what me and my 5 sands did for 16 weeks, and then to see a brother come in on a new program. I still respect him like the next brother, because we are in the same fraternity. I guess since I'm a lot older now, I look at what he's doing for the fraternity right now, not what he did to get in. 15 years ago? Yeah, then, to me it was all about how hard a brother was and what his pledge period was like.

I agree. I came through graduate chapter, and I hope the work I perform speaks highly for my character. I don’t think all graduate members are seeking to undermine undergraduates or have forgotten being undergraduates. I believe as we get older we start to gain a more established prospective on how the world operates, we begin to look at our organizations not just a sorority or fraternity but as a thriving business, then become a member willing to do what it takes to grow that business. Handing out thousands and millions of dollars for avoidable incidents doesn’t benefit the members or the organization and alienating people on the actions of a few is never a good practice.

I have been on both sides of the fences
 

All I have to say is that I have experienced my beloved fraternity on the undergrad side and the graduate side. As much respect as I have for the grad chapter I would have to say that the brothers that do come through have no bond. But I also think that the brothers who are undergrads that are doing all the complaining should do something about it like graduate with a degree so you can join a graduate chapter, stop letting situations happen like they did at FAMU because it's embarrasing to the older brothers. Some of you guys sit there and think we snitch just to snitch, but what if I told you that we were a couple of lawsuits from being bankrupted? Not so pissed of with the alumni now are you? Or what if you pledge 10 weeks only to be told that Kappa Alpha Psi is no more. The one thing that some brothers don't understand and what I didn't understand as an undergrad is that Kappa Alpha Psi is more than just a Fraternity it's a business. A business that has achieved on the backs of 10 strong black men for 96 years and I will be damn if I let it be destroyed because of a few brothers who think they have something to prove. If you want to pledge then pledge, but pledge the right way!

KAY

THA TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

REAL TALK!!


(especially considering that I went through grad chapter and the fact that undergraduate "pledging" in the 1990s had in my observation went completely out of control).

OOOOOOH LAWD....I didn't know you were THAT old! :eek: I thought you were in your early twenties for some reason. :confused:

cosign:eek: :(

*hopes are officially dashed j/k :p *

Say That!

he ain't "that old" LOL at least not to me! Early 30s ain't old!! didn't u pay attention to Jay-Z? 30 IS THE NEW 20!! (so he is in his early 20s lol) HOLLA!!!! :D

LOL

I know...but, he gave out the vibe (to me) that he was in his early or mid twenties. I was shocked to know he was in his 30s after reading some of his posts in the D&R forum, lol.

AMEN!!!

I know this thread is old (and I am late), but I found it rather interesting.

I wonder if our founders would have the disposition that they would only deal with brothers who were "made" at the undergraduate level.

Nowadays, it appears that we have a "fraternity within a fraternity," which brings about strife and division, and it defeats everything that our founders fought hard to eliminate.


I'm simply rambling here, but I think some brothers should (re)consider their thoughts and actions, and ask themselves if the founders would approve of them. If your answer is no, then why in the hell are you acting in that manner? If they wouldn't act this way, then what gives YOU the right??? Too many brothers have forgotten the meaning of Phi Nu Pi.

^^^^ Good point. Some of my founders set the seed for what are now alumnae chapters--forming chapters for women of distinction who had already graduated from college. So I believe they would be shaking their heads at this collegiate v. alumnae intake issue.

If they only knew of our selfish agendas, and how unbrotherly/unsisterly we have become( oftentimes because of how someone was initiated into the organization), then they would turn over in their respective graves.

Why hold it against a member who had no control over his/her process? How would you feel if someone held something against you that you couldn't control? Does anyone ever think about this?

Be careful how you treat those so-called "paper" members because one day you just MIGHT need them.


@Ladygreek, I have read your responses to this thread, and I must say that I truly admire your mature way of thinking.

Yup. I am, but people go :eek: when I tell them how old I am, because they think I look 10 years younger. Btw does anyone have a walker and some pollygrip.:D

Back on topic.There was a brother who wasn't able to go undergrad when we were in college. At the time, I voted him in but I got out voted. He ended up recently going grad, and I just sent him some Nupie gear. He's a good brother.