Should We Leave Iraq Now?
 

We have eliminated Saddam and toppled the government. Everything else is charity. We are not in the business of charity.

America should leave Iraq now.

I'd love it if we could leave and get everyone there angry enough so they kill each other, create more instability in Iran, and turn Q'om red until the Pahlavi Dynasty is restored.

-Rudey

Re: Should We Leave Iraq Now?
 

I thought the whole point (now) was spreading freedom and democracy... I don't see the new Iraqi government holding together without US military backing. Government and nation building isn't like hitting the drive through, it's cooking and cleaning up a whole 9 course meal... I think the going average for the 19th and 20th century was about 10-12 years for credible stability.

Besides the forces might as well stay there to "secure" the region - ie. keep an eye on Iran & Syria.

Spreading freedom and democracy is great and all, but so are all religions. My religion isn't any better than the person's next to me, so I'm not going to try to convert them.

I don't think we should be there in the first place.

This is a total non sequitur

I didn't ask if we should be there in there first place. There are 2,000 threads on that already.

As for religion, you make no sense. You might as well talk about Diet Dr. Pepper because it has just as much relevancy as your comment.

-Rudey

Re: Re: Should We Leave Iraq Now?
 

I don't think I really believe in either freedom or democracy anymore.

And as for stability, what's wrong with living on the edge? We could just provide support to both sides and let them kill each other until they're bored of it and stop.

And you do bring up Syria and Iran and I don't see how a few good bombs that cut the snake's head off wouldn't make sense.

-Rudey

I love diet Dr. Pepper but the diet Cherry/Vanilla Dr. Pepper is truly a tast treat.

I wish we could leave Iraq today. Just pack up every single soldier and marine and bring them home to their friends and families. In fact, I wish that more than just about anything.

The fact is, though, that we can't leave right now because doing so would create even more instability (yup, it's possible) in a very unstable region and I think that would have terrible consequences for us and our allies down the road.

A sorority girl that likes Diet Dr. Pepper...who knew such a thing existed.

-Rudey

WOW, Rudey, Dude There is thoughts on both ends of The Spectrum on Your question.:)

There is a big difference in The Relegions in the Middle East than in The Rest of The World.

They Profess One God but You would never know it.:(

They have only one adgenda, kill the Infandels of which We Christions are and You as Being Jewish should realize this more so.

Spreading Democracy while sounds good, I am thinking this is a Pie in The Sky by a Selfish Person who wants to be King and cannot be.:( :eek: :o

We do not have to ask how many of The Countrys of Earth are True Democracys as We are in the Minority arent We!

No? Look at Eastern Europe, The Middle East and The Asian Rim.

Sometimes The Movie "Ugly American" still seems to real! Have You traveled to Europe any? Go to Germany and see how they feel about The USA. Maybe France?

The USA has been and are being told to get out of The East Asian areas, South Africa or all of Africa for that matter.South America, Central America.:confused:

GW is not the Pat Robertson of Democracy, but one has to wonder about His agenda!:rolleyes:

I truly believe Iraq will never be stable in our lifetime. Neither will the Middle East. I think we should leave. We've lost way too many lives in a country that is a lost cause.

Make Levees, not war

LOL. So cute.

This is as flippant and empty as the original "Male Love, Not War" statement.

-Rudey

In 1967, CBS Anchorman Walter Cronkite, voted the most trusted man in America, decided that the U.S. should get out of Viet Nam for a number of reasons -- one of which was that we were there for the wrong reason(s). Obviously there were others.

Cronkite was no stranger to war, having been a (newspaper) combat correspondent during World War II with the likes of Eric Sevaride and many of the other journalistic "giants" of later years. He was recruited into the fledgling CBS Radio organization by the legendary Edward R. Morrow.

Lyndon Johnson said, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America."

Cronkite's comments are often considered to be one of the major factors in support for that conflicts flagging, and, in the end, our final withdrawl.

For whatever it's worth, Cronkite told a group of reporters last week that we should get out of Iraq now.

Every single person in the world needs to watch the movie The Fog of War.

If they did, we wouldn't have war anymore.

George Bush said that if he lost me, he lost Middle America too. What a coincidence.

-Rudey

Which one?

The dad. The son refuses to take my calls now. Something about bringing his daughter home past curfew. Who knows with those guys?

-Rudey

Which one?

Jenna.

http://www.thefirsttwins.com/images/legs.jpg

Barb is allowed to stay out a little longer.

-Rudey

According to Paul Bremer, they didn't see the insurgency comming.

Link to the Story

If you look at the statements made by Administration officials pre-war, and during the actual invasion you can see an absolute disconnect the reality or a lack of any serious planning for a post-war Iraq.

Why would they? They were so myopic about WMD and Sadaam, they couldn't, or didn't, look past the big battles.

It's happened before.

That's an opinion.

I agree. As someone who is very involved with the adopt-a-soldier program, I've talked to many of our soldiers who are currently stationed in Iraq. All of them echo KillarneyRose's sentiments.

(Tangent: If anyone is looking for a good philanthropy project for their chapter -- alumnae or collegiate -- I strongly urge you to adopt a soldier. Those guys and girls love hearing from folks back home. Also, if anyone here is a teacher and is looking for a class project, have your kids write letters or draw pictures for the soldiers. Hearing from kids really brightens their day.)

I agree with KR as well. I simply wish we hadn't gotten involved in the first place -- and said so at the time.

I think that to pull out right now would leave a power vacuum similar to what happened in Vietnam.

I just hope training Iraqi forces works better than Vietnamization did.

It was our right to topple Saddam Hussein. Everything else is rebuilding and charity and we should leave that to the Russians.

-Rudey

Great plan. Go back to your nap.

All those hippy drugs from the 60s are getting to you.

-Rudey

You may be right because this whole Iraq thing seems like a bad flashback.

In fact, the stuff going on now and then seem equally messed up to me.

There is no arguing with you and no matter what I say it won't change anything so instead I offer you a hug.

-Rudey

Thanks, I needed that.

It depends on the Powers to be in this.

But, if We dont fight there for terrorism then We fight here!

This Country as well as Most of The Democracys of The World will not be ready anytime.

There is not anyway to compare Viet Nam and Iraq because of the differences in Politics of then and now. Other than the Democrates want us to lose again so they can get into The White House.

I too hope that The Iraquis can be trained soon to take over their Police Functions as My Semi-Nephew is to return there for a Second Time, and is Proud to do it knowing what the situation is there.

I dont want to Have Our People there in Harms way at all.

But, this shit has to stop some where. Do it there or here.:confused:

Well, you know what opinions are like...and I have mine, too.

Both conflicts began for somewhat questionable reasons in retrospect. (WMD and Gulf of Tonkin)

The Domino Theory was that if we "lost" South Vietnam, all of SE Asia would fall and we would be fighting on the streets of NYC. Didn't happen.

Besides, the latest tape from Bin Laden says he's planning more attacks inside the US. Great. We get to fight them both places.

The administration then said that "Vietnamization" would allow the South Vietnamese take over their own defense and strengthen their "elected" government. It didn't.

We thought the Viets and Iraqis would "welcome" us with open arms. Some did. As the conflict went on, fewer did.

We, at least to some extent, got into both conflicts by toppling sitting dictators.

We then threw support behind a national government that couldn't control much outside of its capital city. There were attacks and bombings even inside the capital.

Both conflicts turned into a battle of attrition in which the finest military in the world (ours) found itself fighting an enemy that was/is hard to find and harder to defeat.

The American public didn't get straight answers from our government. That's been proven in the case of Viet Nam. It is my belief now.

It seems to me that we're marching down very similar paths -- and making many of the same wrong turns.

But again, that's just my opinion.