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WCUgirl 12-07-2005 12:18 PM

Remembering Pearl Harbor
 
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ISUKappa 12-07-2005 01:39 PM

My uncle (dad's sister's husband, so no blood relation) was stationed at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked and was always very involved with the PH Marine reunions. Even though he's now passed, my aunt is still involved with the group. He once wrote an account of his experiences that I had a chance to read, so that helped make the event more real to me. Otherwise, I'm sure most people from our generation just think of it as something from their American History class.

honeychile 12-07-2005 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by ISUKappa
My uncle (dad's sister's husband, so no blood relation) was stationed at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked and was always very involved with the PH Marine reunions. Even though he's now passed, my aunt is still involved with the group. He once wrote an account of his experiences that I had a chance to read, so that helped make the event more real to me. Otherwise, I'm sure most people from our generation just think of it as something from their American History class.
Does your aunt go on the annual Pearl Harbor Reunions? If so, she probably knows my mother's cousin's wife. Her cousin was stationed at Pearl Harbor, swam through the flames to avoid dying, and ended up with years of plastic surgery. The Captain passed away about five years ago, and they planted a tree in his memory at George Mason University (he taught there after retiring).

But he made "that day wil live in infamy" more real to me than anyone else ever could. We really need to get as many Oral Historys done on our older people soon, or we're going to lose the realistic touch, and become numb to what has happened to our servicemen in the name of freedom!

AchtungBaby80 12-07-2005 07:19 PM

I grew up knowing about Pearl Harbor because my grandfather had very strong feelings about it; I think that may have even been the reason he joined the Army. He had a pretty strong dislike for the Japanese until the day he died, but interestingly enough, he didn't mind the Germans even though those were the ones he fought. One time in middle school we had to write an essay about Pearl Harbor, and the teacher about went through the roof when she saw that I had written "Japs" in my paper, but that's what I had always heard them called!

Anyway, so even though I've known about Pearl Harbor for as long as I can remember, it didn't seem "real" to me until I actually went there this past summer. The memorial was the saddest, most unbelievable thing. I can't even imagine what it must've been like. There's a man in my hometown who has scars all up and down his arms from the attack, and he'll talk about it if you ask him. I keep meaning to go and talk to him, because there are getting to be fewer and fewer Pearl Harbor veterans around all the time.

Unregistered- 12-07-2005 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
I keep meaning to go and talk to him, because there are getting to be fewer and fewer Pearl Harbor veterans around all the time.
I pass the Arizona Memorial on my way to work and on my way home every day. This morning at 7:55 I could see the group that gathered atop the Arizona Memorial.

Every year they show footage of the Pearl Harbor rememberance ceremony on the news..and every year the group of survivors gets smaller and smaller.

Sometimes there are Japanese veterans who come here to commemorate December 7th. I have so much admiration for our American veterans who have learned how to forgive, who are able to stand next to an enemy to remember their dead comrades. :(

tinydancer 12-07-2005 09:17 PM

I've visited the Arizona Memorial twice. It's a very emotional experience, I must say.

honeychile 12-07-2005 09:26 PM

I've never been - I've seen pictures of it, but it just seems almost too moving.

My parents did go, and they said that almost everyone had tears in their eyes, or a "stone face" as they left.

FSUZeta 12-07-2005 11:38 PM

on our local news this morning a lovely 91 year young woman was featured. she was a nurse at hickham when pearl harbor was attacked. she did not know if her sweetheart had survived for several days, until he wandered into the hospital. they were married and went back each year that the reunions were held. she did not go this year because her husband died in september, but she is already planning her trip for next year. she was truly inspiring and i wish the piece had been longer.

RACooper 12-08-2005 12:17 AM

I've been to the Arizona memorial once... but I'll be honest it wasn't as poigant for me, because of the lack of national or personal connection. However all that aside it was impactful for me on the level of imagining what they went through on the day of the attack (the seamen in the USS Arizona and other stricken ships).

Of course today marks the "quite" 8 hours before the battle of Hong Kong WW2...

Unregistered- 12-08-2005 12:36 AM

When you arrive to the visitors center (which is sinking, I might add and I am so not joking!), they have exhibits and displays chronicling everything about the attack. They even have a short film with actual footage from that morning that you can watch. But that doesn't compare to the feeling you get once you step off that ferry that takes you to the Arizona Memorial.

When I last visited the memorial with my great uncle, I remember being at the observation portion, and right after we had thrown our leis in the water, a big glob of oil rose to the surface. It's a haunting feeling, knowing that it's been there all this time...just like the men who died that morning.

And no words can express the feeling when you walk into the shrine room. Just sadness and gratitude for all these men who died defending the country. :(

Tom Earp 12-08-2005 06:00 PM

While Pearl Harbor happened 3 months befor My birth, it did affect me as My Father had to go into the War. My Uncle was in The Marines and fought in the Pacific and got 13 purple Hearts.

As FDR Said, This is a Day Of Infamy and led us into a War that was very bad. The whole world was at War then.:(

It led Us into the Nuculear Century whether good or bad.

The People in this War Should never be forgotten on both and all sides.

Unregistered- 12-06-2006 11:26 PM

Tomorrow morning marks the 65th Anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor. With only 8 remaining survivors able to reunite in Hawaii for the festivities, this probably marks the final time they'll be holding major festivities to remember the event. :(

Tom Brokaw will be the keynote speaker at tomorrow morning's ceremony. If you want to watch it live, KHNL News 8 will be broadcasting live on the Internet starting at 7:30 A.M. Hawai`i time. In the meantime, if you click on the Pearl Harbor: A Nation Remembers graphic, it'll take you to some interesting news video you might want to see. :)

jon1856 12-07-2006 01:29 AM

My late eye Doctor was the Gunnery Officer on the DD USS Paterson.
Was just around the bend from Battleship Row.
The little was spoke of it then now makes we wish we had spoken more about it.
Two things that I do remember him telling me:
Per the bean counters in DC:
In surface combat, the life expectancy of a DD was 10 minutes. His crew to a man and by themselves swore that if the 11th minute came up that they would take down the biggest SOB near them with them.

And per DC, my Doctor was senior US Navy officer in terms of combat time. Again, I do now know I missed a lot.

And to see and try to understand just some of the thoughts and mentality of the fighting men of that day, read " The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors".

SoCalGirl 12-07-2006 02:14 AM

When I was in high school one of my friends lived with her grandfather, who was a Pearl Harbor survivor. Every year he'd come to the school and talk with the junior u.s. history classes and tell his story. He wasn't on the Arizona but one of the other ships. He managed to get blown off the ship and into the water. He swam through the flames and got to shore and found a home to take cover in. He was curled up and hiding when the family found him. He was naked as a jay bird. The explosion had blown off his uniform.

He definitely made it real. But it gave me the heeby jeebies to think of my friends grandpa putting the image of him young and naked in our heads.

hazelle 12-07-2006 04:08 AM

I have only been in this group about a week...and this thread reaffirms what a class act it is! Monday morning....after the horrific Sunday 7th my Dad jumped up and enlisted and he was a squadron commander in the Pacific flying spy bombers around Australia...but that was the kind of patriotism our parents had back then...so when USA started their "cutesy" ads for the showing of PEARL HARBOR this past weekend, my daughters got furious..."not only were they great fighters...but they were great lovers..how romantic Pearl Harbor was...before...." they emailed the USA network but the spots were never pulled....God, I hope we never get that immune to the horror of 9-11 that our grandkids hear that kind of ads when in about 20 years it runs more frequently!!

As for me, reading your insights makes me feel there are still some real people out there...had kinda felt the flame had gone down a bit...not much interest in Nov 22nd anymore...but for me, saw two pieces of the 47th floor from the World Trade Center at the Smithsonian in Sept...the tears just streamed down my face...and two kiosks over, was a draft of FDR's December 7th speech...some genius had edited it...changed one word...from "history" crossesd out in pencil and wrote INFAMY..the power of that one word!!

MysticCat 12-07-2006 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AXiD670 (Post 1149500)
. . . it got me wondering how people of my generation feel about Pearl Harbor. Is it just a history lesson? Did 9-11 make it seem more "real" to you?

I think I may be a generation ahead of you -- I'm a Baby Boomer -- so my father was in WWII. Europe, though, not the Pacific. He rarely talked about it. I heard more stories from my mother, who was in college at the time, and could tell the homefront side of things. Definitely not just a history lesson for me.

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Originally Posted by tinydancer (Post 1149939)
I've visited the Arizona Memorial twice. It's a very emotional experience, I must say.

Agreed. The oddest thing about it to me, however, was that the all of the visitors on the boat that came to pick us up from the Memorial were Japanese. I've spent a long time thinking about that.

Unregistered- 12-07-2006 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1367799)

Agreed. The oddest thing about it to me, however, was that the all of the visitors on the boat that came to pick us up from the Memorial were Japanese. I've spent a long time thinking about that.

I agree. I know that, for a lot of the Japanese tourists, it's more than just a stop on the tour. So many of them, even if they weren't even alive at the time of the bombing, have tremendous guilt and shame for what happened on December 7th. I think they have a word for it too.. haji, I think.

Unregistered- 12-07-2007 04:12 PM

We still remember, 66 years later.
 
http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/07/news/art1a.jpg

2500 American flags flew proudly at Richardson Field (adjacent to Pearl Harbor). The flags represent each life lost on December 7, 1941 as well as the Hawaii casualties from the Iraq war. Gov. Lingle ordered that all flags be at half staff today.

carnation 12-07-2007 04:44 PM

My Hawaiian "mom" was a teenager on 12-7-41...she was walking home and saw planes flying low overhead. She glanced up and when she saw the red zeroes under the wings instead of green stars, her blood ran cold; she's of Japanese descent and knew right off what was going on.

AZ-AlphaXi 12-07-2007 05:00 PM

I have been reminded all day ... the flags for our site are visible from my office window and have been at half staff all day ...

ThetaPrincess24 12-07-2007 06:53 PM

My husband and I visited the Arizona Memorial when we went to Hawaii for our honeymoon. It was a very moving experience. I highly recommend visiting it if you havent.

I salute our fellow Americans who lost their lives that day in the attacks and have lost their lives since protecting and serving our great nation. They are the greatest Americans.

Tom Earp 12-07-2007 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1559460)
http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/07/news/art1a.jpg

2500 American flags flew proudly at Richardson Field (adjacent to Pearl Harbor). The flags represent each life lost on December 7, 1941 as well as the Hawaii casualties from the Iraq war. Gov. Lingle ordered that all flags be at half staff today.


Thank you, as your State got so hard hit and the Day of Infamy is still going on today!


We are all trying to get over it, but the many Men were killed is hard to forget and what what was done to Japanese Americans because of the worries at the time in history.

AKA_Monet 12-07-2007 07:18 PM

Everytime when we go to Hawai'i, the Big Island, we pay a small tribute regarding this day.

DaemonSeid 12-07-2007 07:33 PM

I don't know how anyone else feels about it but the movie made a big mockery of the day...I wasn't impressed.

if it was on par with Private Ryan....it would have had a chance....

ThetaPrincess24 12-07-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1559557)
I don't know how anyone else feels about it but the movie made a big mockery of the day...I wasn't impressed.

if it was on par with Private Ryan....it would have had a chance....

I felt the movie played up the love triangle theme more than our sacrifices and hardships at Pearl Harbor that day. But that's just my opinion.

jon1856 12-07-2007 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1559557)
I don't know how anyone else feels about it but the movie made a big mockery of the day...I wasn't impressed.

if it was on par with Private Ryan....it would have had a chance....

True, while full of new FX it was almost as "bad" as films made at the time that were more PR than fact. Just saw "Air Force" which was about a B-17 and her crew on Bataan.

Made it seem as if we won the war in 6 months.

The "Bridge over the River Kwai" was a sham. If made today, it would:
Not be shown in Japan
Would be about a 2-3 hour version of the first 30 minutes of SPR.
One would walk out sickened by what happened but full of pride in what those men went throught and did just to live.

I do wish to thank OTW for bringing this thread back to life.

I thought of my late eye doctor several times today and what he, his crew and the rest of Pearl went through.

May have been helped along as I was reading a book about the US Army and Navy nurses captured at Bataan.
Those ladies never received the honors that they truly earned.

Over the past few years I have noticed in the book stores many new books that cover some of the "small, special" things that happened that
were not covered before.

Perhaps because that generation is fast leaving us. And their immediate families are getting older.

Which means that means a great deal of first hand information will soon be gone.

As it is, the thoughts and feelings of that day, of that war are fading away.

DaemonSeid 12-08-2007 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1559682)
True, while full of new FX it was almost as "bad" as films made at the time that were more PR than fact. Just saw "Air Force" which was about a B-17 and her crew on Bataan.

Made it seem as if we won the war in 6 months.

The "Bridge over the River Kwai" was a sham. If made today, it would:
Not be shown in Japan
Would be about a 2-3 hour version of the first 30 minutes of SPR.
One would walk out sickened by what happened but full of pride in what those men went throught and did just to live.

I do wish to thank OTW for bringing this thread back to life.

I thought of my late eye doctor several times today and what he, his crew and the rest of Pearl went through.

May have been helped along as I was reading a book about the US Army and Navy nurses captured at Bataan.
Those ladies never received the honors that they truly earned.

Over the past few years I have noticed in the book stores many new books that cover some of the "small, special" things that happened that
were not covered before.

Perhaps because that generation is fast leaving us. And their immediate families are getting older.

Which means that means a great deal of first hand information will soon be gone.

As it is, the thoughts and feelings of that day, of that war are fading away.

Jon...thats because in a few years just about any person that was actually in teh war will be gone...have yo noriced how many documentaries there are out now about WWII?

did anyone catch The War on PBS?

pretty good stuff....

jon1856 12-08-2007 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1559700)
Jon...thats because in a few years just about any person that was actually in the war will be gone...have you noticed how many documentaries there are out now about WWII?

did anyone catch The War on PBS?

pretty good stuff....

I do understand that all too well; my Uncle was 2nd wave Omaha Beach.
My late eye doctor had front row seats to Battleship Row as well as the rest of naval war as Gunnery Officer on the USS Patterson.
http://hazegray.org/danfs/destroy/dd392txt.htm

Was part of the reasoning in my posting.

However I am glad that others see that as well.

The War was very good show.

Unregistered- 12-08-2007 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1559682)

I do wish to thank OTW for bringing this thread back to life.

Not a problem. I pass by the Arizona Memorial at least twice a day, so I am constantly reminded of the events of that infamous day.

Let me share this piece with you guys as December 7th winds down here in paradise.

Growing up here we'd always bring visiting friends and family to the Arizona Memorial. One of the individuals I remember from my childhood was Mr. Fiske, a Pearl Harbor survivor. He was a LONGTIME volunteer there, and he'd always remind us -- "NEVER FORGET." See, he knew he wasn't going to live forever, and he was afraid that people would forget.

http://www.pearlharborstories.org/si.../500-FISKE.jpg

http://www.pearlharborstories.org/node/320

Mr. Fiske died about 3 years ago, and I remember the first commemoration ceremony without him just wasn't the same. He was the voice of the Arizona Memorial.

I still remember the stories he told me when I was a kid. And rest assured that I'll be making sure that we all remember December 7th.

Tom Earp 12-08-2007 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1559768)
Not a problem. I pass by the Arizona Memorial at least twice a day, so I am constantly reminded of the events of that infamous day.

Let me share this piece with you guys as December 7th winds down here in paradise.

Growing up here we'd always bring visiting friends and family to the Arizona Memorial. One of the individuals I remember from my childhood was Mr. Fiske, a Pearl Harbor survivor. He was a LONGTIME volunteer there, and he'd always remind us -- "NEVER FORGET." See, he knew he wasn't going to live forever, and he was afraid that people would forget.

http://www.pearlharborstories.org/si.../500-FISKE.jpg

http://www.pearlharborstories.org/node/320

Mr. Fiske died about 3 years ago, and I remember the first commemoration ceremony without him just wasn't the same. He was the voice of the Arizona Memorial.

I still remember the stories he told me when I was a kid. And rest assured that I'll be making sure that we all remember December 7th.


I just saw his interview on TV and did not realize that he had passed.:(

Thank you for point this out and it is nice that you had the chance to meet him.

He did not consider himself as a hero, but He truely was no matter what!

Unregistered- 12-03-2008 09:00 PM

67 years later
 
...BUMP!

It's still a few days away, and every year the number of those who return gets smaller and smaller.

http://media.starbulletin.com/images...-SURVIVORS.jpg

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/haw...out_there.html

KJpnm 12-03-2008 10:30 PM

Sorry for the Length but...
 
OK ...my mother grew up in Hawaii along with her parents and my grandmother's parents. My great grandmother's brother was in Pearl Harbor along with with my great-grand father on my father's side...(Did that make sense??) my grand parents were infants. My mom infuses this historic story (about Pearl Harbor) into us every year around this time because it is so poignant in our family history. Although both men were not right in Pearl Harbor during the raid they were immediatly called to report to duty. Both were military doctors and immediately left their families to help the wounded.
The stories my famliy tells about what they had to go through and then for years after is amazing. Black outs were common and they had to paint their windows black or if they went out after curfew they had to drive with no lights on. YIKES. My parents' school became a barracks and they had to always carry gas masks in wooden boxes around their neck. Waikiki was surrounded in barb wire because they were afraid of mini subs coming to shore etc.. I consider my self very lucky to not have to live through that mess. Since then my grandpa's dad, has died, and just recently my other relative who wrote a book about the experience and went every Saturday to sign it at the Pearl Harbor Memorial has passed away. I hope people rememeber the sacrifice they made and it makes me proud to be an AMERICAN.

Thank you for bumping this thread.

Army Wife'79 12-04-2008 09:33 AM

I have travelled the world and I have never been emotionally moved as much as my visit to the Arizona Memorial. Rest in peace brave men.


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