OU Triangle stands up for rights
 

http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.../4394f237990c2

The OU chapter of Triangle has refused to submit to unlimited "inspections" by campus police (seeking alcohol violations), and has been kicked off campus and out of the IFC.

Hope they have a lawyer.

They may have done this on advice of their lawyer.

It'll be an interesting case. I think Boren's been very heavy-handed in his dealings with the greek system after Mr. Hamontree's death.

A part of me says good for them. At the University of Nebraska the Lincoln police, University Police, and even the Community service officers (of both sex, that's important) have the right to enter any Fraternity at any time to inspect the 'public' areas of the house, unescorted, no notification given before or after the walk through. Basically they can search everything execept individual rooms (although they have broken that guideline and always find loopholes after the fact-i.e. "well the door wasn't closed all the way to where it latched" (but no one was around to confirm that) We have even had reports of officers in our window wells trying to look in/ get in through a bathroom window. They do this to an invasive degree.

I understand some of the need for campus security and enforcement (although our campus is dry and in the past 5 years the fraternities have really fallen in line with keeping alcohol out of their houses...before that...there was booze around and walk throughs were used to catch houses. But now there is no need to keep up with such an invasive practice. Many chapters have really strict alcohol policies (including my chapter) that they actually enforce to a successfull degree.

In sororities no matter what the sex officers must be escorted and are not even allowed upstairs. So basically a kitchen, livingroom, tv room, and a dining room. In the dorms they wander the halls but never pull don't pull "the door was slightly adjar and the refridgerator was also slightly open" BS.
So its a wrong double standard if sororities and the dorms are not treated the same. And if someone is ever caught with alcohol in their room by the university (which is difficult to get away with when the penalties from the fraternity alone are really strict), the WHOLE fraternity gets in trouble for one moron who they would have punished if they had caught him themselves (but didn't b/c they we don't break into eachothers rooms looking to bust one another). Dorm floors don't get shut down for one idiot breaking a rule...sororities don't go on probation or have their charter's yanked for a girl being too drunk in her own house when there's a bottle of Grey Goose hiding upstairs in her closet. Just Fraternities...I guess we are to blame for EVERYTHING.
Sure they can come in, look around, we've got nothing to hide...but make sure that they do the same down the street to the residence halls and sororities.
If I sound bitter I'm sorry, but maybe the statistics that say "fraternities have higher alcohol abuse rates" are skewed b/c that's where they are focused on looking for a problem...perhaps the rates are the same across the board of collegiate students, but the research is biasedly focused.

Triangle doesn't have a chapter at OU.

Oh, you must mean that other, younger, OU in Norman.

Since the university doesn't own any of the greek houses, I don't feel that it is their right to demand entry. I'm fine with them inspecting dorms, dorms are owned by the university.

ktsnake is right Boren has been very heavy handed- with the fraternities. The NPCs on campus have been dry longer, yet, there have never been inspections for the sororities.

If there were, I personally would refuse.

And DeltAlum- we've been over this, OU is more talked about than Ohio U., nobody cares about Ohio U.

That depends on where you live and where you go to school. And, of course, whether you're talking about sports.

Besides, my point really isn't about which "OU" is the most famous, but rather that the use of names instead of letters is really necessary to tell a story.

Most Journalism schools say to use the full name in the first mention, then go to initials if you care to.

Haven't you figured out that at Oklahoma, all they EVER talk about is sports??? :)

I know, and I'm sorry. I'm in a bad mood, and it's not your fault.

Irishpipes- we talk about many more things than sports... Like stupid dry campus policies, parking nazis, and such.

kstar - It was a joke. As a graduate of OSU, I feel compelled to heckle OU as much as possible.

I know, that's why I said what we talk about... And it is sad that there are people in this state that don't know that OU has a SCHOOL, not just a football team.

Hey Irishpipes,

I didn't know you went to Ohio State!

(Zing...)

ETA, as most of you know, at the end of this school year, there will be four "OU" graduates in the DA family, three from Athens and the newest/youngest from Norman.

Believe me, DA, growing up OSU was ALWAYS Ohio State. I went to the University of Illinois before I went to Oklahoma State. :)


ETA: I guess there aren't any posters from Oregon or Oregon State that we are leaving out?

I am proud of the OU chapter of Triangle it does not suprise me at all that a group that doesn't drink to excess protests state violations of the 4th amendment, ethics and respect for the rule of law tend to work together.
Hope the ACLU and Triangle put their best foot forward remember folks the ends don't justify the means.

on the whole OSU, OU point...let me say the University of Southern California IS NOT USC...look at the dates the schools were founded...heck I dont even think California was even a state when USC opened...yet those morons from the west coast actually have the nerve to sue USC over the use of an SC logo on our baseball hats (the two schools logos arent really that similar)

sorry for the rant...just had to get it off my chest.

^^^^^
Tell them, USCTKE!!!!:D

Re: OU Triangle stands up for rights
 

Makes me wonder if they have a warrant to enter a residence and search it. Do they also search the dorms/apartments of on campus residences also?

Actually, the point is that BOTH are USC -- depending on where you live. That's why it's important to use words instead of initials.

If we go by your logic, Oklahoma wouldn't be OU because Ohio University was chartered in 1804 and Oklahoma didn't come along until the 1870's. While I like to poke a little fun at my friends in Norman (and our son who is a senior there), BOTH schools are OU -- again depending on your geographic outlook and where your were born or live.

We went through the same legal silliness when Ohio State tried to stop Ohio Univeristy from using "Ohio" by itself. That even got covered on the TODAY Show. In fact Matt Lauer tagged out the package by picking up his Ohio University coffee mug when he threw to a station break. Matt went to OU, you know. The one in Ohio. Thankfully, the presidents of the two schools took it out of the lawyers (and athletic department's hands -- there's a lot of money in school sports clothing, you know) and settled out of court. That's one of the reasons that on ESPN and other sports nets, Ohio U is called Ohio and OSU is Ohio State.

Miami University at Oxford, Ohio was chartered (1811, I think) before the Miami at Coral Gables (chartered in 1925 according to their website), so would that mean that "Miami" can only mean the one in Ohio?

Fact is that where we live (in the West), USC (or sometimes just SC) is the University of Southern California in most peoples minds.

I totally get what you're saying DA. But the two USCs keep going to court over the same thing on who's the real USC. That's been going on for years. But when most people think of USC, it's Southern Cal. Here, we say USC, it's South Carolina and the other USC is Southern Cal.

All the houses on 'South Greek' (the section of Greek houses south of Lindsey Street) are on University-owned land, though the structures themselves are owned by the respective fraternity and sorority alumni/ae associations.

DA... the younger OU was chartered in 1890. :D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeltAlum
[B]Actually, the point is that BOTH are USC -- depending on where you live. That's why it's important to use words instead of initials.

If we go by your logic, Oklahoma wouldn't be OU because Ohio University was chartered in 1804 and Oklahoma didn't come along until the 1870's. While I like to poke a little fun at my friends in Norman (and our son who is a senior there), BOTH schools are OU -- again depending on your geographic outlook and where your were born or live.




sad, sad that this is what you worry so much about whenever anyone deigns to use abbreviations.........

The University doesn't own that land anymore, according to the Norman zoning maps. They are private property.

And I'm not an idiot, I know where South Greek is. However, Triangle just got their house, and it's kinda on North Greek.

However, regardless of who owns the land, there should be a land lease, and if the structure is owned by the Alumae associations or the Housing Association (in the case of AGD) the university has no right ot demand entry.

http://www.clevelandcountyassessor.us/iView/iView.asp

That's the link to the Cleveland County Assessor site. I have no idea what the Triangle House's address is, but one of y'all may. You can go there, plug it into the search, and it'll tell you who's name is on the title.

Thanks, ktsnake. From that website:

Parcel

Parcel ID: NC29 9 2W 31099
Account #: R0023207
Property Address: 702 S LAHOMAAVE
Property Address: NORMAN 73069
Account Type: Exempt Real
Value:

Ownership

Owner: UNIVERSITY OF OKLA CHAPTER OF TRIANGLE FRATERNITY INC
Mailing Address: 702 LAHOMA
NORMAN OK 73069

Legal Description

31-9-2W PRT SW/4 BEG 685 ft. S & 479.8 ft.W NE/C SW/4 S 150 ft. W 180.2 ft. N 150 ft. E 180.2 ft. TO BEG

Values

Market Value:
Taxable Market:
Land Value: $0.00
Gross Assessed:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by doubleblue&gold
[B]Not at all. Look at the thread in Greek Life about the ISU sorority woman who was killed in a hit and run accident.

Which ISU?

There was a thread in which a Kent State (KSU) woman was killed. It worried a few people from Kansas State (KSU) when they read it.

It simply isn't good communication -- and in the worst case can worry people.

Not meaning you, k*... I'm 'explainifying' that term to those GCer's who don't go to OU. I stand corrected on the zoning, though.

Ok, sorry.

It's really frustrating, though, the dorms aren't even inspected, but the greek houses are.

No biggie... I guess the pendulum's swung hard against OU's Greek community right now. Not to mention the fact that their housing office staff is known to be virulently anti-Greek (it was when I was an undergrad over 20 years ago).

Question. Aren't their RA's on each floor section of the dorms who are supposed to enforce University rules? Does that offset the need for police in these specific cases?

They're supposed to... in exchange for free room and board in the dorms, they must sell their souls to the dark side... :D

Back in my day, we weren't worried so much for our floor's RA, but more for the 'duty RA' who was on call and roamed the dorm, usually backed up with an OUPD student assistant 'gendarme'. Most times they were slapping people for noise citations, though.

Oregon goes by U of O
Oregon State goes by OSU, but more often by Oregon State.

There seems to be a great legal battle afoot. I hope that it comes out just like the one against students freedom to assemble did. Please keep us informed on this issue.

If this were in KY...
As to the entering because the door was open or whatever... that still doesn't mean that that is a commonarea. Just because my suite door was open in college didn't mean that housekeeping would enter it and clean it. So unless they really want a legal battle, I would advise the officers to not enter an unlocked room without a warrant... if they weren't the law, then the only difference between tresspassing and attempted burglary would be the unlocked door. If that door had been locked it would be considered attempted burglary. (I will double check this in my KRS book.)

As to confusion over abb.

I grew up with UK standing for University of Kentucky. SO when I entered grade school, when teachers referred to England by way of UK... I didn't understand. They had a UK also... until I realized that UK stood for United Kingdom. But I was really young...
I am surprised that University of Louisville hasn't sued University of Louisiana because all the small state schools there are now UL-whatever... ie UL-Lafayette. Very confusing when watching ESPN score trackers.

While we are at it. UK = The University of Kentucky; KU = Kansas University.

Please note that even though the name of the college in Kansas is also called The University of Kansas, *they* always refer to themselves as KU and never UK. http://www.ku.edu/ Similar, The University of Kentucky is never referred to as KU. In the Commonwealth, that stands for Kentucky Utilities.

When my brother and his family were visiting from Kentucky a few years back, we visited the Mumm Champaign Winery in Napa Valley. It's on the Silverado Trail and we had stopped to enjoy the stunning vista of the Napa Valley - and to sample some of their goods. Since the kids were not partaking in any adult beverages, they were rather bored. However, my nephew perked up when our server began to discuss Mumm's various brands. Mumm made a special limited edition champaign for, and shipped back to, "The UK". My nephew got very excited thinking that Mumm produced a special University of Kentucky champaign. He started asking our server various questions about it and she was quite impressed that he was taking such an interest in their champaign. My brother and I both figured out what was going on and neither of us said anything allowing their conversation to go on. It was quite funny to hear - with or without our champaign.

edited for spelling

I never understood why some universities use their initials backwards. The University of Nebraska uses NU? I can understand them not wanting to be confused with the United Nations, but seriously, it's not Nebraska University. Although one could argue that the Latin used on the seal could be converted to NU, but no.

In this day and age where there are several different schools using the moniker of the University of ABC State (ie: University of Nebraska-Lincoln (UNL); University of Nebraska-Kearney(UNK); University of Nebraska-Omaha(UNO); University of Nebraska-Medical Center(UNMC)--I could have listed all of the CSU schools: that is California State University), wouldn't it be best to simply type out the name of the school with the city? It would save a lot of time and trouble.

That's not what the fight song says.

Dear Old Nebraska U
(There is No Place Like Nebraska)

There is no place like Nebraska
Dear old Nebraska U.
Where the girls are the fairest,
The boys are the squarest,
Of any old school that I knew.

There is no place like Nebraska,
Where they're all true blue.
We'll all stick together,
In all kinds of weather,
For Dear old Nebraska U!

Perhaps the name of the University of Nebraska used to be Nebraska University? I believe the same thing happened at what is now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where the Alma Mater and older fight songs all refer to "NCU."

They brag that the boys are squarest??? Methinks that's an old song!

It's hip to be square! :cool: