2008 Presidential Race
 

So, who do you think it's going to come down to? I think the GOP really has its work cut out for it.

Nany art talking and one is snaking into the lime light!

SAM BROWN BACK:(

Bush is out, Time Limit and many other things.

Be very careful in the next Election!:)

Or, does it make any difference?:rolleyes:

Re: 2008 Presidential Race
 

Their PR dept. does anyway.

Check the signature for my opinion.

my guess is Hillary vs Giuliani or Hillary vs Condi


Kerry will try and run again but he won't get a second chance.

I don't think Hilary will win the nomination and it would be a mistake if she does, because she won't be able to beat any Republican candidate. Sadly, I think there are still too many people who don't believe a woman could/should be President.

I would like to see McCain run again. He's the only Republican that I am familiar with who I could tolerate in office. I think Edwards could do well if he would run.

I think the repubs still have a pretty good shot in 08. The party and constituencies may be irritated or disappointed with Bush right now, but there are too many repubs who are so anti-democrat that no matter who runs, they simply won't change party lines. So its more of a "change our leadersip within and among the party" sentiment rather than an "im so disgruntled with my party that I have to change and let the other party take over". Ain't gonna happen.

Despite the growing opposition to the war and disenchantment with the current Rep. leadership, the nation is still incredibly polarized politically so Americans will probably still stick to their guns and vote along party lines. My guess is that the election is STILL going to be pretty close, simply because both partys' bases are going to come out to make sure the opposing party doesn't win.

I think Hillary will get the nomination, but you have to ask "What red states could she win that Kerry didn't?" Answer: probably none.

Right now the GOP has no clear front runner, but a good primary fight will sharpen the candidate, clarify the issues, and hopefully produce a winner. McCain likely won't survive the primaries, since he is on all sides of issues and doesn't have a conservative base. He will benefit, though, if Hillary wraps up the nomination early, and the Dems jump into the GOP primary and vote for McCain.

I have all the respect in the world for McCain; I'd love to see that happen. I think you're right, though, about him lacking a conservative base. Unfortunately, it's the far, far right who seem to be running the party at the moment.

I really don't think the opposition to Hillary would be because she is a woman. Many people who would never vote for her would have no problem voting for Condi.

As for McCain, he certainly would not be popular with conservatives, but if he is up against Hillary, I believe he would win because she is so polarizing. There are many people who would go to the polls just to vote against Hillary, and if that would mean voting for McCain, so be it. Hillary would be wildly popular in the blue states, but wouldn't stand a chance in flyover country.

I love John McCain, and I'm probably in that far left group.

I really don't think that Hillary should run. Not that she wouldn't be an amazing president, because I think she would be. In fact if I had to pick someone based on how well they would do, she'd probably be number one. She is incredibly intelligent, savvy on policy, and has a unique experience. However, and I think this is what many Dems are starting to realize, you can't put the "best" candidate up there, you have to put the candidate up there who can win.

With that in mind...John Edwards is probably the man the Dems should run. Intelligent, great work ethic, young, energetic, great orator (given his trial experience), but with enough of that "aww shucks" southern boy (love that accent) to make inroads with a lot of moderate Republicans and southerners.

A lot of people have pointed to Chuck Hagel from Nebraska as a strong candidate for the GOP. I don't know, I've lived here four years and it doesn't seem like he does much...I'd prefer him over a lot of Republicans, but that isn't saying much...

2016 though...look out for my boy Barak Obama. He should become our first minority President. You heard it here first.

I think John McCain is the only Republican (at this point in time, anyways) who I could tolerate.

I would love Hillary to run, but if she does, the Dems won't hold office.

I do like Edwards and wish he would run again.

I worry about McCain being considered "too old" by 2008, or I could easily get behind him. I'd like to take a look at some of the "no names" who are sitting back, making their plans, while hoping that the GOP will do something major to improve their image.

Can Hillary win? Without seeing the stats (and who obtained them), I'm not sure. Yet, in my world, I don't know of one person who would vote for her. Just look at her failed health care campaign - had that been in place prior to Katrina, the disaster would have been far worse. She does not have the Teflon (nor Keflar) to win a Presidential bid - but she would be a HUGE divider in the Democratic party. The best part is that it wouldn't be solely an "anti-female President" backlash, it's a mess of her own (and Bill's) making.

Barak Obama will have to do something outstanding prior to a 2012 bid. I hate to say it, but his name works against him. And again, that would make him a divider - many people who would vote for a black President without problem would have a problem with his name. Surprisingly, I heard this from my biracial foster cousin & her friends!

Should the GOP damage control fail, it's going to take one of two types of candidates to succeed:

1) The "I'm not the other guy" candidate, or the negative vote.
or
2) The "All American Boy" candidate, who has a perfect family, perfect past, perfect political record, perfectly pc but folksy sense of humor, perfect control of speech/debate, and perfect - but not too perfect! - looks. The party who finds him will absolutely-without-a-doubt win.

One of the problems is that we, as voters, are asking too much. We either want someone who is pro-choice OR pro-life; pro-NRA OR anti-NRA; pro-big government OR anti-government; etc, etc. Somewhere, we have to figure out the compromise that will again bring our world status back to where it should be. I don't pretend to know how to do that, but whoever does is going to be the Campaign Chairman of the Century!

He was great on the Daily Show on Comedy Central this week. Showed a great sense of humor, and handled the unusual off-the-wall questions well.

Hope he makes a great Senator.

I agree with honeychile on most points. I am a Democrat and most of the people I know are Democrats and none of them would vote for Hilary. I think she could be the VP on the ticket though. Also remember that the whole Whitewater thing was based on Hilary's business dealings. And, a lot of people have no respect for her personally because she stayed with Bill after all of his philandering.

I'm really rooting for Edwards although I don't even know if he's interested. It was only a year ago that his wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. Has anybody heard how she is doing?

It will be an interesting election, to be sure. I enjoy the ones where there is no incumbent. Although, this time, there also won't be an incumbent VP running for President. Definitely interesting!

I am coming to find out that being registered one way i pretty much stand middle of the road on many issues and cadidates.

I would love to see McCain run .......though Bush has really made that hard for the GOP though Mccain every one admires and respects so it could happen. Age....he isn't that old....he does have a fairly young wife and kids.


Democrat side of things:

I do like John Edwards and Obama. But i do agree Obama's name recognition is whats going to trip him up. Edwards is VERY likable....but his wife i think right now is his main priority. As much as i am ready to see a w oman in the white house.....it wont happen YET with Hillary. I think she even knows that.

I have heard Kerry's name here and there during this thread......he could possibly run again .....as far as winning .....it got down to ugliness at the 11th hr before i dont think the nation wanta a repeat of that again

I'd love Mark Warner or John Edwards to run for the Dems. All of my oh-so-lovely coworkers have said if Condi runs for the Reps. they won't vote because Democrats are all hippies who love gays and they are all going to hell, so they can't vote for them, and they can't vote for Condi because she should be home cooking dinner. Ugh. They are all predicting a Warner vs. George Allen race, but Allen wasn't a good governor and hasn't done enough to get serious recognition yet as a senator.

To win, we need to find

the man from the lower-class who struggled through life, but made it on his good values

or

the good ole southern all-american boy with dimples and a silly accent


All I know is, by then, Im getting the hell out of Ohio

Didnt We have one of those, The Peanut Farmer?

Basically, I really think it will be someone who while in the local Lime Light such as a Governor somewhere or a Fairly newer Congress Person, The High Profiles wont stand a prayer.

I really dont think a Female will be accepted in the USA yet and it sure as hell wont be Hillary or a African American.

The closest African-American would be Collin Powell, but He is to damn smart to get into that Bear Trap.

Kerry is a dead issue, McCain had His shout. John Edwards may have a Good Chance with His looks and personality. Make a big mark as Kerrys running mate. He had to big a hill to climb behind that slug.

If one looks at the demographics, most come from East of The Mississippi.

West, the only ones I can think of off the top of My head, Truman (Inherated it, IKE(War Hero), Clinton, Reagan, LBJ(Inherited).


Oh Of course, Nixon, left in shame (Well California).

JFK won inspite of Being Roman Catholic (Was Said Would Never Happen), but Money Paid for it!

That's funny -- that's the reason WHY I respect her. I don't think I am a strong enough woman to stick by my husband should he cheat on me, let alone if the whole country knew about it.

I didn't like Edwards when he was campaigning on his own (maybe b/c I didn't know enough about him?), but when he joined Kerry, I really gained a lot of respect for him.

He has just dropped off the radar. I have not heard a thing about his wife, which is strange as he is NC's "Golden Boy."

Of course I'm rooting for my home state senator to run. I really wanted him to win back in 2000. I know that some people don't respect him, but I respected the fact that in that election he was "up front" with all the shit that he had ever done. I mean, come on, in politics it would better for them to just admit shit they have done instead of trying to bury it because the opposing side will always find out. :)

As for the Democrat side. Hmm. I could have sworn I heard a rumor that Gore was considering to run again. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

I think though we will have a minority president before we have a woman president.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement, honeychile. I agree completely!

I like McCain, possibly because he doesn't have that conservative base.

Shirley Chisolm often said that she met more discrimination on the campaign trail for being a woman than for being black.

When I lived in DC, there was a lot of talk about Evan Bayh. I'm not sure about the Republicans.

I always liked his father, but Evan Bayh's website is pretty decent. I know a couple of the people who are interested in the Third Way, which scores big in my book, and a friend in Board of Directors of the National Endowment for Democracy, a non-partisan group that works to promote and strengthen democratic institutions worldwide (less impressed, as it's not as non-partisan as it sounds).

All that said, I'd like to see more about Sen. Bayh - he seems to fit a lot of my qualifications that I mentioned earlier:

http://bayh.senate.gov/images/bayh_family2.jpg

ETA: Residence: Indianapolis

Spouse: Susan

Prev. Political Exp.: IN Secy. of State, 1986-89; IN Governor, 1989-97

Education:
BS Indiana University, 1978; JD University of Virginia, 1982

Birthdate: 12/26/1955

Birthplace: Shirkieville, IN

Term: 2nd

First Elected: 1998

Committees:
*Select Committee on Intelligence
*Armed Services Committee
*Special Committee on Aging
*Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
*Small Business Committee

Wasnt there a Thread way back When, Me For President?

I am not a Charlie Sheen or Gina Davis, I am not an Actor! Whew!

I am a Conservsative Republican, or a Liberal Democrate?

I am not really sure.

Basically, I am just Tired of Getting Screwed!

I VOW, Not to take any Stupid Pill at the First Breakfast!

A Cabinent was in Place! I trust most people on GC than I do Our Semi-Duly Elected Morons!

Let Me Free and Vote For Me!!! :cool:

Susan Bayh was my mom's sorority chapter sister, fun fact.

I found it kind of funny that most of the focus from people in the DC area was on the Bayhs and the Warners over the Hillarys and Obamas.

Yeah John McCain is not conservative.

-Rudey
--HAHAHAHAHAHA

Which sorority was your mother in, ADqtPiMel - ADPi or ?!?!?

Kappa Alpha Theta

I know - I often wonder why people say that.

Well, they do have a strong footing in the White House at the moment...!

I see that Evan Bayh was in a fraternity, but it doesn't mention which one, other than Indiana Beta. Do you know which?

Phi Kappa Psi, per the Wikipedia.

George Allen will never be president. Even if it comes down to two nominess from same state (i doubt that will happen), George Allen will loose for the same exact reasons Jerry Kilgore did. The tide is turning.

I thought if you were a registered Democrat you cannot vote in a Republican primary-- or is that only for local races?

In addition, as a Dem, if McCain did run and win :( I do not think I would have a huge problem with it. I mean things couldn't get worse than they are now I would hope.


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Originally posted by a.e.B.O.T.
To win, we need to find

the man from the lower-class who struggled through life, but made it on his good values

or

the good ole southern all-american boy with dimples and a silly accent


All I know is, by then, Im getting the hell out of Ohio
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HAHAHAHAHA Well things should be better here by then with a new Governor in place!! HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL OR CAN GET BETTER!

You're not registered with any party affiliation in Virginia. You can vote in either, but just one. The Republican primary is usually first, so I usually vote in that one. The Dem. nominees are usually chosen by the time they have the primary here.

I think a lot of Dems (including myself) wouldn't mind McCain. He's a true moderate, which is what I think our country needs right now. We've gone WAY too far to the right, and I think they need someone to center it up a little more and hopefully make some of the hostiity die down.

The rules for primaries vary by state. During the primaries when it was Bush vs. McCain, I voted in the Republican primary, for McCain. They made a big fuss in the media about how many Democrats voted in the Republican primary and the Republicans were saying that we were trying to screw up their election results. Then, during the election, they try to get the moderate Democrats to vote for their candidate (they refer to them as the Reagan Democrats, because they voted for Reagan). I didn't vote for McCain in the Republican primary to screw up the Republicans. I voted for him because I would consider voting for him for President. I think he would have won the election over Gore (the popular vote too, not just the electoral vote).

I'm a Dem and I'd vote for McCain over Hillary. I would probably vote for him over anybody, as a military wife I like him because he is a REAL military man. As a regular old American I like him because he is not an extremist and actually represents middle America.

My ideal race is McCain v. Warner- I don't even know who I would vote for and honestly probably wouldn't care. I would be tickeled pink no matter who won. Okay, maybe I'd vote for McCain because he was military and was a POW, but it would be a tough call. In all honesty I would probably vote for Warner just so Republicans wouldn't control all levels of gov't again, but that would be on the only reason and even then I am not so sure I could turn my back on McCain because he has remained a moderate and fair Republican when in his party it has NOT been popular. I like to reward loyalty and people who don't sell out.

I hate that candidates of late have been way left or way right, what about good old normal people who see good things in either party?

McCain is a moderate. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

-Rudey

I agree with this. I really do not like Hillary, so as much as I'd like to see a woman president, she won't get my vote.

Then again, I'm not a huge Condi fan, either. ::sigh::

Seriously, do you think he's a conservative? I don't really think he is but I'm interested to hear your opinion. I like him but I'll admit I may be biased because he's a USNA grad and former POW.