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James 11-03-2005 05:28 AM

Should this guy go to jail for 50 years ?
 
MSNBC.com

Nebraska man charged for sex with wife, 13
Families support couple, but prosecutor calls union ‘repugnant’

The Associated Press
Updated: 6:57 p.m. ET July 26, 2005


LINCOLN, Neb. - A 22-year-old man faces criminal charges in Nebraska for having sex with an underage 13-year-old girl, although he legally married her in Kansas after she became pregnant.

The man’s lawyer said the couple, with their families’ support, “made a responsible decision to try to cope with the problem.”

Matthew Koso, 22, was charged Monday with first-degree sexual assault, punishable by up to 50 years in prison. He was released on $7,500 bail pending an Aug. 17 preliminary hearing.

After the girl became pregnant, her mother gave permission in May for Koso to take the young woman to Kansas, which allows minors to get married with parental consent. The girl is now 14 and seven months pregnant.

“The idea ... is repugnant to me,” said Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning. “These people made the decision to send their ... 14-year-old daughter to Kansas to marry a pedophile.”

Kansas law labeled ‘ridiculous’
He said the marriage is valid, thanks to the “ridiculous” Kansas law, “but it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to stand by while a grown man ... has a relationship with a 13-year-old — now 14-year-old — girl.”


Bruning, who has said he will seek a second term in 2006, has aggressively prosecuted sex crimes against children since he was elected in 2002

The couple were married in May by a judge in Hiawatha, Kan., just across the state line from Falls City.

Nebraska allows people as young as 17 to marry if they have parental consent.

Kansas law, however, sets no minimum marriage age, although case law sets the minimum age at 14 for boys and 12 for girls. The marriage must be approved by both parents or guardian, or by a district court judge, said Whitney Watson, spokesman for Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline. A judge also must approve if only one parent approves.

Koso’s lawyer, Willis Yoesel, said the girl’s mother and Koso’s parents approved of the marriage. He said the girl’s father has not lived with the family for some time.

‘The families are all united’
“It seems to me like they, as much as they could, made a responsible decision to try to cope with the problem,” Yoesel said.

“The families are all united in this effort,” Yoesel said. “I don’t know who is complaining. ... What benefit is there to anybody in the prosecution of this young man?”

There was no comment from Koso, who does not have a listed telephone number.

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© 2005 MSNBC.com

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jubilance1922 11-03-2005 09:57 AM

I'm sorry, but there is NO reason for a GROWN man to "date" a girl that is barely a teenager. What, he doesn't like women his own age?

Kevin 11-03-2005 10:03 AM

If she was 13 1/2 or older, it's technically not pedophilia.

wrigley 11-03-2005 10:19 AM

Yes he should go to jail. He knew enough to know the marriage was illegal in Nebraska, which is why they went to Kansas. If he didn't want to get arrested, they could have stayed there.


Why didn't the mom of the daughter press charges against the man after she found out about the pregnancy? What was she thinking?

Rudey 11-03-2005 12:02 PM

I don't think so.

I think her parents should go to jail only.

-Rudey

Marie 11-03-2005 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I'm sorry, but there is NO reason for a GROWN man to "date" a girl that is barely a teenager. What, he doesn't like women his own age?

I agree. I think it is completely inappropriate for an adult to have a sexual relationship with a child, whether it is defined as pedophilia or not. I wonder what the laws are in their home state and if he can be prosecuted for having sex with a minor to begin with. In either event, if her parents are too dense to protect her, then I think that it's absolutely the responsibility of the court to step in and do so.

However, since I also think R Kelly should be sent up the river, then maybe I'm just very protective of the kids.

AchtungBaby80 11-03-2005 03:22 PM

I agree that it's inappropriate, but where I come from stuff like this is not unheard-of. There were actually two girls from my 8th-grade class who got married. If the law says it's not illegal, unfortunately there's not a lot anybody can do.

Peaches-n-Cream 11-03-2005 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
I agree that it's inappropriate, but where I come from stuff like this is not unheard-of. There were actually two girls from my 8th-grade class who got married. If the law says it's not illegal, unfortunately there's not a lot anybody can do.
When I first read this, I thought you meant that the 8th grade girls got married to each other.

madmax 11-03-2005 04:25 PM

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1...C-RSSFeeds0312

He could have done better.

BetteDavisEyes 11-03-2005 04:40 PM

Crystal's mother, Cecilia Guyer, filed a restraining order against Matthew Koso on Sept. 17, 2004.

"He needs to hang around girls and boys his own age group," Guyer wrote in the complaint. "He needs to seek counseling. He has a history of the same, similar with other young girls, and he needs to be stopped here and now."



Obviously this guy has a thing for minors. He's a sicko. All sex offenders need to be jailed.

a.e.B.O.T. 11-03-2005 05:36 PM

the article has a point... no one in the family is complain, and they are trying to give the baby a good life... Now, he did have sex with a minor without before the marriage and therefor the act was illegal... so there should be some penalty becuase even if the parents consented to sex, thats some sort of abuse... 50 years though? I mean common? Your going to rob the man 6 years of dating an underaged girl legally and then ship him back to her when hes 63... thats a little unfair, lol

33girl 11-03-2005 05:37 PM

They look like brother and sister.

And he's obviously got learning disabilities among other things...he is not a typical 22 year old.

Yeah it's gross, but if it's legal, there's not much that can be done about it.

SOPi_Jawbreaker 11-03-2005 05:41 PM

I don't understand why if Crystal's mother knew that this guy had problems, she still gave permission for them to get married in Kansas. If she really felt that the man needed to be stopped, when she found out her daughter was pregnant, she should have gone to the police. I know she might have thought that her daughter would need someone to help her out with the baby and that her unborn grandchild should have a father, but do you really want your teenage daughter to be married to a pedophile and do you really want your grandchild to be raised by a pedophile. I just don't understand how she could have seen this guy for what he is and still allow him to marry her daughter. If the parents had just been dense and blind to the whole thing, I might understand. But if Crystal's mother really did say those things and really did file a restaining order, then why the hell did she give them her permission to get married. :confused:

WCUgirl 11-03-2005 05:43 PM

He was released on $5,000 bond in time for the birth of his daughter, Samara, on Aug. 24.

Umm, isn't Samara the name of the little girl from "The Ring?"

ETA: Lol at this quote from the girl: She added that if Samara starts dating a 20-year-old when she is 12, she will "send her to her room."

_Opi_ 11-03-2005 05:53 PM

50 years? Harsh punishment

Is he Sick? YESS!! :mad:

a.e.B.O.T. 11-03-2005 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXiD670
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ETA: Lol at this quote from the girl: She added that if Samara starts dating a 20-year-old when she is 12, she will "send her to her room."


The sad thing is, by the time shes 12, her mom will only be 26...

preciousjeni 11-04-2005 03:26 AM

I know it's uncommon in this country but in the history of the world, this is not so wild. It's only eight years. Based on the parents' consent to allow marriage, I'd be disappointed if he gets charged and locked up when he could be out supporting his child.

Why not let him be and order heavy duty counseling?

KSig RC 11-04-2005 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I know it's uncommon in this country but in the history of the world, this is not so wild.
el oh el

In the history of the world, retaining workers by force and not compensating them for the work is also commonplace. I mean, in history - only in the last century or so have we tried to eradicate it, and unsuccessfully I might add.

Sincerely,
The Sultan of Umbappamao

preciousjeni 11-04-2005 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
el oh el

In the history of the world, retaining workers by force and not compensating them for the work is also commonplace. I mean, in history - only in the last century or so have we tried to eradicate it, and unsuccessfully I might add.

Sincerely,
The Sultan of Umbappamao

Oh hush! :p

AchtungBaby80 11-04-2005 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
When I first read this, I thought you meant that the 8th grade girls got married to each other.
Heh heh. No. :p They married guys, although I'm not sure how old the guys were. Older, though, I'm pretty sure.

Kevin 11-04-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SOPi_Jawbreaker
I don't understand why if Crystal's mother knew that this guy had problems, she still gave permission for them to get married in Kansas. If she really felt that the man needed to be stopped, when she found out her daughter was pregnant, she should have gone to the police. I know she might have thought that her daughter would need someone to help her out with the baby and that her unborn grandchild should have a father, but do you really want your teenage daughter to be married to a pedophile and do you really want your grandchild to be raised by a pedophile. I just don't understand how she could have seen this guy for what he is and still allow him to marry her daughter. If the parents had just been dense and blind to the whole thing, I might understand. But if Crystal's mother really did say those things and really did file a restaining order, then why the hell did she give them her permission to get married. :confused:
I have a feeling that daughter threw a fit, cussed the mother out, threw things, etc. and all mom wanted was for there to be peace, daughter to be gone, and perhaps she wouldn't have to raise her grandchild either... This move satisfied these things.

Most people don't think that far into the future.

AlphaFrog 11-04-2005 11:29 AM

From the ABC news:


Matthew Koso said through tears. "Right now there isn't anything that I love more than my wife and my daughter."

Right now??? is that kind of like in high school where right now I love my boyfriend but tomorrow I think I love that other guy. I think that's a sign that he knows this is a temporory thing...


Her mother said "What people don't realize, too, is that Matt is not emotionally 22. He's not mature like other young men his age are, so he is really at the same level of maturity as Crystal even though there are those years between them."

All the more reason NOT to let your daughter marry the guy...

In Nebraska, sex between an adult and a person younger than 16 is considered statutory rape, whether the couple is married or not.

So if you're 15 and married in Nebraska, you don't have to fake a headache, you can just threaten to send him to jail if you're not in the mood...

Rudey 11-04-2005 12:10 PM

I think every member of the families on both sides should be sent to fight the war in Iraq.

-Rudey

James 05-08-2007 02:48 PM

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/arti...d2000e7dc1.txt

Update.

Quote:

A Falls City man sentenced for sexual assault after impregnating and then marrying a now 15-year-old girl was expected to be released from prison on Saturday.

Matthew Koso, 24, has served 15 months of his 18- to 30-month sentence for first-degree sexual assault, according to the Nebraska Department of Correctional Services.

Tom Earp 05-08-2007 06:06 PM

Old.

But thank you for looking up!:D

AlexMack 05-08-2007 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1128240)
Sincerely,
The Sultan of Umbappamao

I love you for this, more than I can say :D

susan314 05-08-2007 09:36 PM

So what's the over/under on how long the marriage will last?

I give it <12 months from the time he's sprung from prison.

(And it goes without saying that the poor kid is going to be royally screwed up...)

OneTimeSBX 05-11-2007 02:15 PM

*sigh...

since i have a daughter, i will say this...if she got knocked up by another 13 year old, it would be less wrong. it would be an unfortunate case of children doing adult things, and i dont even know if i would press charges unless it was a rape or assault.

at 22, you have no business with anyone under the age of 18. Point blank. you fell in love with a 17 year old? you better love her with your hands off until she's legal.

KSig RC 05-11-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX (Post 1445470)
*sigh...

since i have a daughter, i will say this...if she got knocked up by another 13 year old, it would be less wrong. it would be an unfortunate case of children doing adult things, and i dont even know if i would press charges unless it was a rape or assault.

Would you really have any basis to press charges in any other circumstance than rape or assault?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX (Post 1445470)
*at 22, you have no business with anyone under the age of 18. Point blank. you fell in love with a 17 year old? you better love her with your hands off until she's legal.

I jive with your sentiment, but doesn't the 18 thing seem kind of . . . arbitrary? What's the difference between 17 and 18? I realize that's a somewhat derivative argument, but nothing really changes on the 18th birthday - so the "hands off until she's legal" makes sense legally, but not when combined with "you have no business with a 17 year old."

I guess, more simply, this would really also mean a 23 year old would have no business with an 18 year old - right?

Drolefille 05-11-2007 02:44 PM

It's true that the age of majority or consent is arbitrary, but so is every "milestone" age, 16, 18, 21. They're just the best guess that the legislature can make to protect people. Because there ARE some 14 year olds who are incredibly mature, could be allowed to have a beer at dinner and wouldn't get trashed. But there are far more who are not.

Follow the law. If you're old enough to be breaking it by having sex with a minor, you're old enough to keep your pants on until the age of consent.

AlphaFrog 05-11-2007 02:57 PM

I tend to like the states that have a specific interval instead of a specific age. I can't name them off the top of my head, but I know in some states, as long as you aren't X number of years older than your partner, it's not statutory, even if that person is younger than the "age of consent".

Drolefille 05-11-2007 04:01 PM

Yeah I've seen that too, though I think some of those states increase the actual age of consent in response.

OneTimeSBX 05-11-2007 04:53 PM

very true, but i do think that a lot of parents get mad at the guy, no matter what the girl says (it was consensual) and want him to suffer. so unless i knew it wasnt consensual i would probably let it go...

and oh please, tell me if you have a son you wont warn him against messing with younger girls! its not so much the age 18, its the parents that go crazy when they find out your 19 year old a** is screwing their 16 year old lol


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