Muslims and Giant Stadium
 

Muslim Fans Say They Were Profiled At NFL Game

POSTED: 1:29 pm EST November 2, 2005

NEWARK, N.J. -- Several Muslim football fans claim they were profiled and unfairly detained by stadium security personnel and the FBI at Giants Stadium during a game in September.

But the FBI said it was where they were, not what they were doing that led to the questioning of the five fans.

FBI spokesman Steven Segal told The Associated Press the five were congregating near the main air intake duct during the Giants-Saints game.

The fans were removed from their seats and questioned after other fans saw them prostrating themselves on the ground as part of daily Muslim prayers, which must be performed five times each day.

Former President George H.W. Bush was among the 80,000 fans on hand that night as part of a fundraising campaign he and former President Bill Clinton were leading for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

One of the Muslims, along with his lawyer, said the five were unfairly profiled and detained because they had been praying as their faith requires.

One of the men, who asked not to be identified because he fears harassment from the incident, said he and the others had no idea they were near an air intake.

The Muslims were detained about half an hour before they were told they would be given upgraded seats. They chose to leave.

Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved

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This is kind of hard. While the profiling sucks and is unfortunate, I think if I was near these guys I might get kind of spooked too. While the FBI should brush up on their facts, these men need to realize that it's not everyday that you see Muslims praying in the middle of a giant (no pun intended) stadium full of people. How were the offiicals supposed to know that the men didn't know they were standing near air ducts? What if they had just pulled off some sort of attack with the air ducts and were praying before becoming "martyrs"?

Re: Muslims and Giant Stadium
 

I've read two articles here in NY and neither said they were offered "upgraded" seats. They both said they were told they could go back, but "couldn't" sit in the same seats. Seems to me the NY papers would have noted the "upgrade" part.

At any rate, I think this is ridiculous. If it were a group of white guys - or even black guys - standing "around the air intake ducts" no one would have thought twice. Not even if they were prostrating on the ground. And this is NY, I've seen street vendors praying on the sidewalk - it's not so shocking or weird to people here.

I also understand it's a different world now and we do need to take precautions, but I think this was just over the top. :rolleyes:

Re: Muslims and Giant Stadium
 

Why? Sorry, but why would a couple of guys praying "spook" you?



Why aren't they going around arresting all the other fans who were standing near all the air ducts? They "could've" pulled off an attack as well? It's not enough probable cause, hon.

First attack on World Trace Towers - mideastern muslims

9/11 plane hi-jackers - 23 muslims from Saudia Arabia

Terrorists in Afganistan - mideastern muslims

Terrorists in Iraq - mideastern muslims

London subway bombers - mideastern muslims

Spain subway bombers - mideastern muslims

French bambers - mideastern muslims

It's time to start using profiles to protect ourselves.

It's time to stop harassing grandmothers in wheelchairs and babies in carriages.

Go after the likely criminals: mideastern muslims

Gee... glad to see you have a completely open mind :rolleyes:

Golly gee did you get your info/viewpoint from a "white amerika" website because your conclusions are about as flawed factually as they are logically.

Hmmm hoosier I didn't know you worked cooking up intelligence and profiles for the CIA - cause this steaming pile you've presented is about as flawed as some other "cooked up" crap being investigated now.

hoosier thinly vieled racism is still racism... but both still make you look stupid.:mad:

Giants fans are all criminals.

While you're at it, why not go after the folks who tried to offer them some protection...

You know, the framers of our Constitution.

Well if it was some middle easterners walking around, you could say it's racial profiling.

If it's some middle easterners hovering around an air induct tank, it's behavior profiling as well.

-Rudey
--It seems more than fair to me and I'm middle eastern.

Let's discuss - not call names.

Can you cite an event I listed, not caused by the group I listed?

Yes. The Childrens' Crusades were not.

-Rudey

You forgot the bombings in Bali and New Delhi.

Bombings in Bali and New Dehli would have been muslims (fucked-up ones yes) but not 'middle eastern' - but south east asian...

perhaps you should go back and look at my post - I did list some objections to your pathetically blanket blaming/labeling...

I mean seriously by your logic all German/Christians should be suspect when they are near someone Jewish or something Jewish owned - or European/Christians should be detained in case they get the urge to burn/rape/cannibalize any Muslims - or WASP Americans need to be carefully watched in case they might slaughter native Americans in the name of their 'God'/Menifest Destiny - or again WASP Americans should be watched for signs of imminent slave trading - all Canadians/British should be watched in case they plan on burning Washington again.

Was there a mass hysteria after OK? Were people denied their civil and legal rights because they matched a the broad description of White Christians?

I thought that the law was supposed to protect a persons right to practice their faith, and to protect them from illegal search and seizure - or did Heir Ashcroft abolish that too?

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Guys praying at my alma mater... no reaction, seeing as though there's a reflection room for just that in the University Center. Also during their holidays they pray with megaphones outside.

Guys praying in a crowded stadium.... yeah I'm going to be weary.


Just out of curiosity and not to start a flame, because I am very curious about this. African Americans- do you get weary when you see a bald white man dressed in all black? (not talking about dress suits)

I've learned something new today, Indonesia and India is located in the Middle East and they're both Arab countries.

Actually, they were all British citizens.

I actually meant places of birth; ie one was born in Jamaica then moved to England, while some others (but not all) immigrated from Pakistan.

I've never been to Giants stadium. Is it obvious that these are air induct tanks to average people?

There was one incident of the building blowing up in OK. The guy did not do it to spread Christianity. It hasn't happened elsewhere.

If there is a religious person that is carrying a big bag with wires sticking out of it around an abortion clinic he is suspect.

If there is a gentleman speaking German with tattoos pacing around a Jewish temple, he is suspect.

These guys weren't just middle eastern and at Giants Stadium. They were hanging around the air ducts.

You shouldn't worry about American law. You are not an American citizen and have no say in it.

-Rudey

Hoosier you also forgot to add the massacre at the school in Chechnya.

-Rudey

Why Rudey were those also "mideastern muslims" too :rolleyes:

Were they Canadian Christians with backing from a European church?

-Rudey

Nope - It just that silly me thought they were Chechen sepratists... and see ethnic Chechens aren't what most would consider "mideastern"/middle-eastern... nationalism nor religion seems to be the primary motivator for most Chechen sepratists (with the drug trade being a close second).

Right so Muslim with links to Al Quaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? Hence the editorials in Arab and Middle Eastern paper talking about collective shame. I got it.

And not Canadian Christian terrorists with links to the Vatican? I didn't think so. The Vatican isn't in that business and Canadian Christians haven't blown up planes and all that.

OK just checking and confirming.

-Rudey

No see the terrorists from Canada were motivated by politics not religion Rudey :) Marxism not Christianity, and those guys were back in the 70s and they bombed schools, recruiting centres, government buildings, banks... kidnapped and killed a Quebec minister, and kidnapped a British minister... although a couple of years ago they did firebomb some Second Cups and a few McDonalds...

Other Canadian terrorist actual have blown up airplanes - perhaps you've heard of an Air India bombing? It's still being investigated - mainly because of the government's and prosecutor's screwing up.

As for terrorists with ties to the Vatican - well I thought that was some 1000 to 700 years ago... but then again they did go above and beyond in depravity compared to modern terrorists...

If you want to go 1000 years back you should comment on the dinosaurs and how they terrorized each other also.

But again, Muslim with terrorist backing (training, financial, man power, weapons) from Islamic terror groups such as Al Queada. The Muslim world felt ashamed after, yada yada.

And no Canadian Christians have blown up airplanes or buildings as I thought.

-Rudey

And you think Al-Qeida and other terrorists orgs in the Middle East are doing it to spread islam?

No. Of course not.

They are doing it to modernize the world and take us into the digital age.

I think some of the terrorist orgs are doing it because it's the new cool thing to do - like driving a Prius or becoming a Scientologist.

-Rudey

*playing along*

Because blowing things/people up is a FUN way to get your point across.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think it's worth it to kill thousands of people and blow up planes and buildings for DSL and high speed internet, but I'm an old fashioned guy.

-Rudey

Your president thinks otherwise :cool:

My President kills people for DSL?

Yeah I guess he's got a side job at Verizon and makes bombs without anybody knowing it.

-Rudey

No.

Just pointing out that making blanket statements based on misinformed stereotypes serves only to mask complex roots of terror/violence... and an imperfect understanding of the causes makes for an imperfect solution.

My degree in history didn't include much about the Crusades, but I think they were an effort by the Europeans to recover the Holy Lands - held by the infidels know as muslims.

This is what got us into this mess.

A branch of Islam believes they are destined to rule the entire Earth.

They think the Quran says all non-muslims are infidels, and that it says all infidels should be killed. They think 70 (+-) virgins await anyone who kills an infidel.

Killing innocent civilians, children, and women with a car bomb in the central market or with a roadside bomb is forgiven, if an infidel was the target.

This branch of Islam can never be understood, and it has no complex roots or stereotypes.

It must be defeated on the battle field, in Iraq, in Afganistran, in Canada, and in the USA, by any means possible.

France's current battles in the Muslim ghettos show that a policy of accomodating (understanding, seeking the roots, political correctness, etc.) these warriors fails absolutely.

Me neither, but I'm gonna guess no. I'm also gonna guess that they really weren't that close to them but that made it sounds like a "good" reason to detain them. :rolleyes:

What branch of Islam are we talking about here? In Iraq, there the two main ones are Sunnis and Shi'as..are you talking about one of these two? :confused:

France policies accomodating/undertanding???? I think you need to do a little bit more research on that.

Thank-you for proving my point...

Such an eloquent rendering of ignornace is really a rarity these days.

Muslims don't have a monopoly on f'ed-up readings of holy scriptures now do they - one only has to look at the tools out there who think that Islamic writings are anymore of an advocate of violence than Christianity's - but hey what ever makes you happy in your understanding of the world (in f**ked racists land) thereby proving the old adage that ignorance is bliss.

France is suffering because of the racism and quasi-segregation they enforce for decades - if you constantly treat a people as second class don't expect them to take it forever; they will start to turn to people who promise them better no matter how messed up it sounds... but being a Bush-ite I expect you understand that falacy huh? Or are you one of those f**ks that feels you are inherently better than someone based on social class or race... perhaps like Barbara?

Hoosier seriously go light your white sheets on fire with you in them, it would be doing the rest of America a favour :rolleyes:

Please learn what the definition of racism is.

Please stop threatening people and telling people they should die.

Please stop living in your own bubble and wishing everyone else was your neighbor in it.

-Rudey

I'm racist against Canadians.

Joking.