Greeks How Do You Feel...
 

How would you feel about on OUT and open Gay and/or Lesbian member of your org? I have heard some say that it does not look good for their org, and have even heard some ppl be denied membership for that reason. I am just looking fo matur edialogue on the topic.




Monice

I see no problem with it. I think that we do a disservice to ourselves for not finding things potential members. They are dedicated students who do the same things as everyone else. I don't see how it's bad for your org. I think it's horrible if someone is denied membership for race, sexual orientation, national origin, etc. It's their personality that should decide whether they receive membership or not.

I have no problem whatsoever.

Our national bylaws is also very specific about outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Re: Greeks How Do You Feel...
 

It's not an issue for me.

I have no problem with it. My Brothers are my Brothers...period.

There was actually a panel discussion about this topic at IU this past week. Here's the article from the IDS: Gay and Greek: Members Speak

I have no problem with it. I know a number of gay fraternity and sorority members.

This may be the area that I've grown up in (Seattle) but I have no problem with homosexuality in any capacity. It never even crosses my mind to think about most times. I have a great deal of friends who are openly gay; most of them women, and I never really considered them any different from me. I don't really believe in labels at all; homosexual, bisexual, asexual, or heterosexual. You love a person, not a gender.

I wouldn't care.

I woudnt care. I would expect them to respect my sexual orientation the same as I would respect theirs. Ie: don't hit on me, I'm not gay, but we can be friends and sisters.

You may want to try to do a search on GC as has been discussed before.

I am sure that someone here can find a link for You.

Besides that, a very good Friend who is a Brother from another Chapter is Gay and A Brother, at least one that I know of from My Chapter is Gay. Anoterr Brother from another Chapter is Bi. Does It Bother Me, not in the least!

Just go rent "Revenge of The Nerds"Black Dude is Really Gay, but also really cool Tri Lamb!:D

Also, find the Book, "Out On Fraternity Row". It might be eye opening!:)

I wouldnt care at all... but I know people who do because they feel that it looks bad on their chapter. It makes people get the wrong preception. Well, I would much rather be known as the gay fraternity then the discrimitory(sp) one


heres a thread thats not too old
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=63723

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and all this time I thought God was a Teke. The late icon of Chi
Omega, Mary Love Collins, said JC was a TKE, but was not too
sure on the question of God. I think God was a Teke, and it is
indeed possible that he did not get a Beta bid. Cheers!
Thank you, Delt, for your kindness on a post I am glad to have
not made. Sometimes we indeed do need to sit back and cool
it before firing off a tirade.

I, personally, wouldn't care at all. I definitely promote diversity in any organization including the greek system.

If some of my sisters in my chapter were personally opposed to homosexuality, I think at the end of the day they would still consider a sister and love her like a sister. After all, we have girls of all sorts of religions, political backgrounds and cultures in my chapter and we all love each other even if we disagree sometimes. If you're in a sorority, you acheive a level of understanding with your sisters that can supercede that of friendships outside of your chapter. Some of my best education on other religions, for example, has come from my sisters with whom I've been able to have an open and caring dialogue about this normally contentious issue.

The question isn't whether a person is gay or not, it's whether the person is worthy or not?

If we feel you're worthy to be in our fraternity, c'mon in. If not, adios.

Being gay should have nothing to do with membership into a greek org. And when it does, it's pretty sad.

No problem; as long as the guy would be an asset to the fraternity, I'd be fine with him becoming a brother.

My collegiate chapter had an openly lesbian active (and now an active alumna) and it never mattered to me or the other sisters. Her girlfriend at the time was also in an NPC sorority on another campus.

Being a lesbian would never affect whether or not I thought someone was worthy of membership.

Never had one, don't think it'd bother me, however, I don't think it would have worked out in my chapter.

lilsunshine said it best. :)

ETA: I haven't ever had one, but it wouldn't bother me. So if it makes any difference, my answer is in the hypothetical.

It's just part of the campus culture here. Otterbein as a whole is extremely tolerant of GLBTQ students,and we want them in our organizations because they bring a lot to the university as a whole. Also, if you discriminate against them, you're narrowing an allready narrow prospective pool. I cant think of a single GLO on my campus that doesn't have an openly lesbian or gay member.

I guess I'm the only one who feels differently.

Funny how you didnt give a reason WHY.

My chapter has a handful of lesbian sisters. It's no big deal. They are open with it and we are open to them. A sister is a sister- regardless of her sexual pref.

They are human just like us so why should it matter? My last year at Rio one of my sisters that pledged my last semester there was a lesbian...she is one of the funniest gals I know. It was a riot watching her pledge when I think about it :p but yeah I see no problem.

We have a policy of non-discrimination.

That being said, I am not sure that a visibly and stereotypically gay male would get a bid. And maybe he shouldn't either.

I have my PERSONAL opinions on homosexuality, I also have personal opinions on children born out of wedlock. But many of my sorors have children and I'm sure there are some who may be homoseuxal. With that being said, personal opinions are one thing but as greek organizations we function as a unit. Speaking for NPHC specifically, we were created in a large part to combat discrimination it would be simple hypocrisy for our orgs to turn around and discriminate against some else. If that person can serve your org. well their sexual preference really isn't your concern. As long as she ain't coming on to me. :cool:

I would see no problem with having gay/lesbian members. I don't know of any members of my chapter (past + present) that have been, and I suuuuure would hope that someone wouldn't be denied membership because of their sexual orientation.

My guess is - and it's only a guess - that most alumni and most undergrads in fraternity and sorority chapters feel differently about this than the majority of the people posting on this thread. I think the majority on this thread is composed of sincere, decent people. I see this one issue differently, and I disagree with the majority here regarding membership. The attitude expressed here of complete acceptance and even open recruitment is very recent and is not shared - I believe - by most alumni and most undergraduates. In today's culture this issue has a legal aspect, a moral aspect and an emotional aspect. All fraternities and sororities discriminate on some basis when we select our members. Some of those decisions are based on behavior, and behavior is the issue at hand. Not race, not gender.
I'm not trying to start a dust-up, and I may not post again on this thread. Just please understand that while you and I can agree on matters of compassion and Human kindness and decency, we may honestly disagree on this. Where you might consider acceptance of a certain behavior to be a moral imperative, I might consider the behavior itself to be immoral.

Thanx
 

Thanx for all of your opinions and the link.

I dont think it should matter at all, but I have seen some situations where it was a problem both with other people and myself.



Monice

There were no openly lesbian/bi sisters in my chapter when I was an active... but it wouldn't bother me at all. My sister is my sister, regardless of her sexual orientation.

Sadly, there was an incident with another NPC sorority at my school. A very popular and well-liked sister, who had held several offices and was very involved with her sorority, happened to be bi. She came out to her sisters at a sisterhood event (she was seriously involved with a woman at the time) ... and most of them promptly shunned her. :( She was never again elected to office, many of her sisters began to avoid her completely, and she is not at all active as an alum or proud of her sorority membership because of the way she was treated.

discriminating because someone likes one organ more then the other is like discriminating because someone prefers Mint Chocolate Chip more then Rocky Road



LOVE IS LOVE PEOPLE

Best Put Yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kind of says it all!:)

This is a really bad comparison. People often have differing opinions on homosexualilty which is based on religious and cultural values. Icecream flavor have no bases in your cultural or religious value (unless you go to the temple of mint chocolate church:) mine is located in the last aisle of the grocery store ) Homosexuality effects how a person lives their life and their personal interactions.
I personally think Homosexuals should be treated fairly... in fact i think they should be allowed to get married, adopt children togethers, get work benefits, etc. I do not have a problem with having sisters with different sexual orientations; they are the same person before they come out, they just live their lives more openly.
However quite a few people I know would disagree.
In fact while I was an undergrad, some of my sisters told me they were bi, but they didnot share with the rest of the chapter. I kept their secret... one of them is on my chapters advisory board... she is single.

When it comes down to it... Membership selection is a mutually discriminatory process by which PNMs and chapter members select one another.

If a PNM suits the culture of the chapter, has expressed interest in membership, meets the basic requirements for membership and is someone whom the chapter has confidence in as being a good addition to the chapter and being a good friend to the chapter members, there is no reason not to bid that person and make that person welcome.

I have yet to see a fraternity or sorority purposefully put out a statement saying they exclude diversity in their membership, and I have known Greeks who are both gay and straight.

Your sexuality, your religion, where you buy your groceries and the amount of money in your daddy's bank account should have nothing to do with your recruitment. It's just about who you are--- and you are much more than your sexuality.

Among many Things of course. First and foremost will be how do You AS an aspirant interact with the Active Chapter that You are Rushing! If you dont, then You wont!

Isnt that about everything and what it is all about?

Im sorry, you are right, let me rephrase:

discriminating because someone likes one organ more then the other is like discriminating because someone prefers Pork more then Beef

Is that better? There are more religious tones there, and I think this fits alot better.



There is a whole culture behind homosexuality, and places like San Francisco and Miami love it. However, being a homosexual only means you like to have the same sex under your arm. It doesnt change how a person lives 'their life' except how they are viewed do to awful stereotypes in this world. Same with social interactions, the only difference is people hate more on them for no real reason. BUT, my point, and I have one, is that being homosexuality does not necessarily change their lives or cast them into some social culture of pink feathers and cut off shirts!!! Lol, i mean, it CAN, ive seen it with mez own eyes, but it doesnt EFFECT how they live except which club they go to

at the moment...
 

I personally have no problems myself with others being homosexual or bisexual, but there has been a few issues this year with a lesbian graduate student who is in my chapter. She is what you would call a very stereostypical lesbian. She attended our formal recruitment events and a lot of the potential members were asking why there was a man in the room, and it made some girls uncomfotable to explain to perfect strangers who she was form what I hear (i was a gamma chi) I have heard of and seen her hit on some of our members and it makes a few people uncomfortable. i myself am not having issues with it, but i know it makes some of the girls uncomfortable. She is a very nice girl, and tries to make a gen uine effort to be friendly with us, who she knows none of.

I agree with some others and say, I think its okay to have a homosexual in your chapter as long as they are not hitting on the other people in the chapter that are strait and making them uncomfotable. I feel very embaressed to say we are having problems with this.