GreekChat.com Forums

GreekChat.com Forums (https://greekchat.com/gcforums/index.php)
-   Dating & Relationships (https://greekchat.com/gcforums/forumdisplay.php?f=206)
-   -   “Friends with benefits” (https://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=71548)

hoosier 10-19-2005 12:09 PM

“Friends with benefits”
 
Page_1D
Teens define sex in new ways
Shocked parents don't understand casual attitude

By Sharon Jayson
USA_TODAY_

The generational divide between baby-boomer parents and their teenage offspring is sharpening over sex.

Oral sex, that is.

More than half of 15- to 19-year-olds are doing it, according to a groundbreaking study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The researchers did not ask about the circumstances in which oral sex occurred, but the report does provide the first federal data that offer a peek into the sex lives of American teenagers.

To adults, “oral sex is extremely intimate, and to some of these young people, apparently it isn't as much,” says Sarah Brown, director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy.

“What we're learning here is that adolescents are redefining what is intimate.”

Among teens, oral sex is often viewed so casually that it needn't even occur within the confines of a relationship. Some teens say it can take place at parties, possibly with multiple partners. But they say the more likely scenario is oral sex within an existing relationship.

Still, some experts are increasingly worrying that a generation that approaches intimate behavior so casually might have difficulty forming healthy intimate relationships later on.

“My parents' generation sort of viewed oral sex as something almost greater than sex. Like once you've had sex, something more intimate is oral sex,” says Carly Donnelly, 17, a high school senior from Cockeysville, Md.

“Now that some kids are using oral sex as something that's more casual, it's shocking to (parents).”

David Walsh, a psychologist and author of the teen-behavior book Why Do They Act That Way?, says the brain is wired to develop intense physical and emotional attraction during the teenage years as part of the maturing process. But he's disturbed by the casual way sex is often portrayed in the media, which he says gives teens a distorted view of true intimacy.

Sex — even oral sex — “just becomes kind of a recreational activity that is separate from a close, personal relationship,” he says.

“When the physical part of the relationship races ahead of everything else, it can almost become the focus of the relationship,” Walsh says, “and they're not then developing all of the really important skills like trust and communication and all those things that are the key ingredients for a healthy, long-lasting relationship.”

“Intimacy has been so devalued,” says Doris Fuller of Sandpoint, Idaho, who, with her two teenage children, wrote the 2004 book Promise You Won't Freak Out, which discusses topics such as teen oral sex.

“What will the impact be on their ultimately more lasting relationships? I don't think we know yet.”

Child psychology professor W. Andrew Collins of the University of Minnesota says a relationship “that's only about sex is not a high-quality relationship.”

In a 28-year study, Collins and his colleagues followed 180 individuals from birth. His yet-to-be-published research, presented at a conference in April, suggests that emotionally fulfilling high school relationships do help teens learn important relationship skills.

The researchers did not specifically ask about oral sex, he says. But relationships that are focused more on sex tend to be “less sustained, often not monogamous and with lower levels of satisfaction.”

Terri Fisher, an associate professor of psychology at Ohio State University, says oral sex used to be considered “exotic.” After the sexual revolution of the 1960s, it was viewed as a more intimate sexual act than sexual intercourse, but now, in young people's minds, it's “a more casual act.”

Beyond shock, many parents aren't sure what to think when they discover their children's nonchalant approach to oral sex.

“It doesn't cross your mind because it's not something you have done,” Fuller says. “Most parents weren't doing this (as teenagers) in the way these kids are.”

But if parents are looking for reasons to freak out, the health risk of oral sex apparently isn't one of them. Teenagers and experts agree that oral sex is less risky than intercourse because there's no threat of pregnancy and less chance of contracting a sexually transmitted disease or HIV.

“The fact that teenagers have oral sex doesn't upset me much from a public health perspective,” says J. Dennis Fortenberry, a physician who specializes in adolescent medicine at the Indiana University School of Medicine.

“From my perspective, relatively few teenagers only have oral sex. And so for the most part, oral sex, as for adults, is typically incorporated into a pattern of sexual behaviors that may vary depending upon the type of relationship and the timing of a relationship.”

A study published in the journal Pediatrics in April supports the view that adolescents believe oral sex is safer than intercourse, with less risk to their physical and emotional health.

The study of ethnically diverse high school freshmen from California found that almost 20% had tried oral sex, compared with 13.5% who said they had intercourse.

More of these teens believed oral sex was more acceptable for their age group than intercourse, even if the partners are not dating.

“The problem with surveys is they don't tell you the intimacy sequence,” Brown says. “The vast majority who had intercourse also had oral sex. We don't know which came first.”

The federal study, based on data collected in 2002 and released last month, found that 55% of 15- to 19-year-old boys and 54% of girls reported getting or giving oral sex, compared with 49% of boys and 53% of girls the same ages who reported having had intercourse.

Though the study provides data, researchers say, it doesn't help them understand the role oral sex plays in the overall relationship; nor does it explain the fact that today's teens are changing the sequence of sexual behaviors so that oral sex has skipped ahead of intercourse.

“All of us in the field are still trying to get a handle on how much of this is going on and trying to understand it from a young person's point of view,” says Stephanie Sanders, associate director of The Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction at Indiana University, which investigates sexual behavior and sexual health.

“Clearly, we need more information about what young people think is appropriate behavior, under what circumstances and with whom,” Sanders says. “Now we know a little more about what they're doing but not what they're thinking.”

The $16 million study, which took six years to develop, complete and analyze, surveyed almost 13,000 teens, men and women ages 15-44 on a variety of sexual behaviors.

Researchers say that the large sample size, an increased societal openness about sexual issues and the fact that the survey was administered via headphones and computer instead of face to face all give them confidence that, for the first time, they have truthful data on these very personal behaviors.

“There is strong evidence that people are more willing to tell computers things, such as divulge taboo behaviors, than (they are to tell) a person,” Sanders says.

Researchers cannot conclude that the percentage of teens having oral sex is greater than in the past. There is no comparison data for girls, and numbers for boys are about the same as they were a decade ago in the National Survey of Adolescent Males: Currently, 38.8% have given oral sex vs. 38.6% in 1995; 51.5% have received it vs. 49.4% in 1995.

Further analyses of the federal data by the private, non-profit National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy and the non-partisan research group Child Trends find almost 25% of teens who say they are virgins have had oral sex. Child Trends also reviewed socioeconomic and other data and found that those who are white and from middle- and upper-income families with higher levels of education are more likely to have oral sex.

Historically, oral sex has been more common among the more highly educated, Sanders says.

The survey also found that almost 90% of teens who have had sexual intercourse also had oral sex. Among adults 25-44, 90% of men and 88% of women have had heterosexual oral sex.

“If we are indeed headed as a culture to have a total disconnect between intimate sexual behavior and emotional connection, we're not forming the basis for healthy adult relationships,” says James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a reproductive-health organization in Washington.

Oral sex might affect teenagers' self-esteem most of all, says Paul Coleman, a Poughkeepsie, N.Y., psychologist and author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Intimacy.

“Somebody is going to feel hurt or abused or manipulated,” he says. “Not all encounters will turn out favorably. … Teenagers are not mature enough to know all the ramifications of what they're doing.

“It's pretending to say it's just sexual and nothing else. That's an arbitrary slicing up of the intimacy pie. It's not healthy.”

A survey of more than 1,000 teens conducted with the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy resulted in The Real Truth About Teens & Sex, a book by Sabrina Weill, a former editor in chief at Seventeen magazine. She says casual teen attitudes toward sex — particularly oral sex — reflect their confusion about what is normal behavior. She believes teens are facing an intimacy crisis that could haunt them in future relationships.

“When teenagers fool around before they're ready or have a very casual attitude toward sex, they proceed toward adulthood with a lack of understanding about intimacy,” Weill says. “What it means to be intimate is not clearly spelled out for young people by their parents and people they trust.”

Although governmental and educational campaigns urge teens to delay sex, some suggest teens have replaced sexual intercourse with oral sex.

“If you say to teenagers ‘no sex before marriage,' they may interpret that in a variety of ways,” says Fisher.

Experts say parents need to talk to their kids about sex sooner rather than later. Oral sex needs to be part of the discussion because these teens are growing up in a far more sexually open society.

Anecdotal reports for years have focused on teens “hooking up” casually. Depending on the group, teens say it can mean kissing, making out or having sex.

“Friends with benefits” is another way of referring to non-dating relationships, with a form of sex as a “benefit.”

But not all teens treat sex so casually, say teens from suburban Baltimore who were interviewed by USA TODAY as part of an informal focus group.

Alex Trazkovich, 17, a high school senior from Reisterstown, Md., says parents don't hear enough about teen relationships where there is a lot of emotional involvement.

“They hear about teens going to the parties and having lots and lots of sex,” he says. “It happens, but it's not something that happens all the time. It's more of an extreme behavior.”

Rudey 10-19-2005 12:20 PM

50 years ago if you went on a date, would it be out of the question to expect a hummer?

-Rudey

irishpipes 10-19-2005 12:37 PM

Re: “Friends with benefits”
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier


“My parents' generation sort of viewed oral sex as something almost greater than sex. Like once you've had sex, something more intimate is oral sex,” says Carly Donnelly, 17, a high school senior from Cockeysville, Md.


So, they happened to interview someone from "Cockeysville" for this story? :rolleyes:

RACooper 10-19-2005 01:30 PM

Re: Re: “Friends with benefits”
 
Quote:

Originally posted by irishpipes
So, they happened to interview someone from "Cockeysville" for this story? :rolleyes:
How could they resist? :D

HBADPi 10-19-2005 02:36 PM

A friend of mine was telling me over the wkend that its also become more prevalent for teens to have anal sex too cause girls still consider themselves virgins...

WVU alpha phi 10-19-2005 03:12 PM

Re: Re: “Friends with benefits”
 
Quote:

Originally posted by irishpipes
So, they happened to interview someone from "Cockeysville" for this story? :rolleyes:
Hahaha I'm from MD, and Cockeysville is half an hour from me, my cousin and grandparents live there.
Did they happen to interview anyone from Intercourse, PA?

Rudey 10-19-2005 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HBADPi
A friend of mine was telling me over the wkend that its also become more prevalent for teens to have anal sex too cause girls still consider themselves virgins...
Only in certain cultural/religious groups...

-Rudey
--Like Bahai

WCUgirl 10-19-2005 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HBADPi
A friend of mine was telling me over the wkend that its also become more prevalent for teens to have anal sex too cause girls still consider themselves virgins...
One of my good friends did that. She and her boyfriend were both virgins, but they wanted to have sex, but weren't quite ready to give up their virginity. So....they had anal sex a few times before actually having sex.

emleepc 10-19-2005 04:41 PM

Re: Re: “Friends with benefits”
 
Quote:

Originally posted by irishpipes
So, they happened to interview someone from "Cockeysville" for this story? :rolleyes:
What about Immaculate Conception High School (Illinois)?

KSig RC 10-19-2005 04:51 PM

I love how these kinds of articles always relate scary-sounding stats, without any sort of comparison to the idyllic 'wayback' they're supposed to be comparing against . . .

Surprise! Our mothers gave head in the 60s, and our daughters will in the 2020s. Just because there's a name for it doesn't mean it's a new phenomenon.

Rudey 10-19-2005 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
I love how these kinds of articles always relate scary-sounding stats, without any sort of comparison to the idyllic 'wayback' they're supposed to be comparing against . . .

Surprise! Our mothers gave head in the 60s, and our daughters will in the 2020s. Just because there's a name for it doesn't mean it's a new phenomenon.

Seriously can someone tell me if blowjobs were performed prior to the 1950s?

-Rudey

BobbyTheDon 10-19-2005 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Seriously can someone tell me if blowjobs were performed prior to the 1950s?

-Rudey

dude ask DeltAlum or Valkyrie

Rudey 10-19-2005 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
dude ask DeltAlum or Valkyrie
http://www.drnorthrup.com/images/menopause-4.jpg

Well according to this chart, she would have been way to young to know.

DeltAlum actually might know. He wore a leather jacket and drove convertibles.

-Rudey

Lindz928 10-19-2005 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Seriously can someone tell me if blowjobs were performed prior to the 1950s?

-Rudey

I don't know about anyone else, but I prefer not to think about it. The 1950s always makes me think of my grandparents (cause that's when they grew up) and I just don't need to connect them with sex in any way, shape or form. :)

But, the most likely answer is that yes, they probably did happen.

DeltAlum 10-19-2005 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
DeltAlum actually might know. He wore a leather jacket and drove converibles.
It's true. Well, they were British Roadsters.

I did have a high school "steady" in the 60's who bet me it was not possible to have sex in an Austin Healy Sprite.

She was proven wrong.

sugar and spice 10-19-2005 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Our mothers gave head in the 60s, and our daughters will in the 2020s.
Rob's mother is a whore!


And dude, everybody knows that the blow job was not invented until 1976, and I have enough faith in the future of America that by 2020, our children will have invented some new and even more awesome way to get off.

BobbyTheDon 10-20-2005 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
It's true. Well, they were British Roadsters.

I did have a high school "steady" in the 60's who bet me it was not possible to have sex in an Austin Healy Sprite.

She was proven wrong.

Quit lyin DeltAlum.

And even if you aren't lying I would only give you props if this lady was a June Cleaver type of lady. Even bigger props if she made you brownies the next day.

Otherwise you will be treated like Rodney Dangerfield. NO RESPECT.

BobbyTheDon 10-20-2005 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice



And dude, everybody knows that the blow job was not invented until 1976,


This is totally wrong. OTW was born in 1979.


heh heh heh

DeltAlum 10-20-2005 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
And dude, everybody knows that the blow job was not invented until 1976...
Wrong again, child.

Rudey 10-20-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Wrong again, child.
OK please don't turn into an older version of cashmoney.

-Rudey

hoosier 10-22-2005 06:06 PM

Yes, yo mama (at least 45% of 'em) had to decide "spit or swallow"

Yes, yo daddy (49%) went down there. 40% wanted the lights on while visiting.

68% of the boys did it before the ceremony

50% of yo mamas did too

14% did it to other boys, and 30% enjoyed it

All the boys (including the lying 8%) did it to themselves, and enjoyed it immensly. 46% of yo daddies did both boys and girls

62% of yo mamas did themselves

The missionary position was #1, followed by her-on-top

Those boys and girls had sex an average of 2.8 times week in their twenties, 2.2 times a week in their thirties, and 1 time a week in their fifties

Yo daddy peaked sexually between 16-20, but yo mama only declines after 55


Some key findings of the Kinsey Report (from interviews conducted in the forties and fifties)

http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexual...nseyreport.htm

Just a little more great information from the halls of Indiana University, in beautiful Bloomington, home of the Kinsey Institute and the Hoosiers.

ADPiZXalum 10-22-2005 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Those boys and girls had sex an average of 2.8 times week in their twenties, 2.2 times a week in their thirties, and 1 time a week in their fifties
I would like to know how you have sex 2.8 times. Hmmmmm.

valkyrie 10-22-2005 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
I would like to know how you have sex 2.8 times. Hmmmmm.
It's an average.

ADPiZXalum 10-22-2005 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
It's an average.
Yea I know....I just think it sounds funny.

LightBulb 10-23-2005 03:06 AM

Did they really interview someone from that school?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by emleepc
What about Immaculate Conception High School (Illinois)?
There's one of those in Memphis too.

DeltAlum 10-25-2005 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
I would like to know how you have sex 2.8 times. Hmmmmm.
When you want to be close to the national average for children (which at least used to be something like 2.3 children per couple), maybe you have sex 2.8 times per week and hope for the best.

Rudey 10-26-2005 11:21 AM

I would like to point out that BobbyTheDon (a user on this website) has a mom that puts those statistics to shame. 100% down the line.

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Yes, yo mama (at least 45% of 'em) had to decide "spit or swallow"

Yes, yo daddy (49%) went down there. 40% wanted the lights on while visiting.

68% of the boys did it before the ceremony

50% of yo mamas did too

14% did it to other boys, and 30% enjoyed it

All the boys (including the lying 8%) did it to themselves, and enjoyed it immensly. 46% of yo daddies did both boys and girls

62% of yo mamas did themselves

The missionary position was #1, followed by her-on-top

Those boys and girls had sex an average of 2.8 times week in their twenties, 2.2 times a week in their thirties, and 1 time a week in their fifties

Yo daddy peaked sexually between 16-20, but yo mama only declines after 55


Some key findings of the Kinsey Report (from interviews conducted in the forties and fifties)

http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexual...nseyreport.htm

Just a little more great information from the halls of Indiana University, in beautiful Bloomington, home of the Kinsey Institute and the Hoosiers.


BobbyTheDon 10-26-2005 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
I would like to point out that BobbyTheDon (a user on this website) has a mom that puts those statistics to shame. 100% down the line.

-Rudey


Don't be mad because you were the product out of the ".8" percent that they are all talking about.



-Bobby


--The other 20 percent being your missing penis

a.e.B.O.T. 10-26-2005 07:40 PM

this article says that blow jobs are becomming less intimate... but isnt it pretty much, atleast for the age group mentioned, that there is no such thing as intimacy anymore, or atleast yet (maybe when we get older and our sexual peak dwendles, lol). We are pretty much just horny and have ADD and want to stick our dick in any whole we can find, and I say that as I eat a twinkie :0

Optimist Prime 10-27-2005 11:18 AM

How many Baby-Boomers still have teen age children? The current crop of 13-19 yearolds might have the youngest baby boomers but my dad is from one of the last years of the baby boom and I'm 24. These kids' parents are mostly likely from the 'ME' generation, so their parents are too self absorbed to care that kids give head.

Also, teen sex should be encouraged in society, so that its more enjoyable later on in life.

hoosier 10-27-2005 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime


Also, teen sex should be encouraged in society, so that its more enjoyable later on in life.

Unfortunately, many of the teen sexers lack knowledge of sex and birth control.

In GA, over half the births are to unmarried women, and over 60% of minority births are to unmarried women. Huge addl. numbers are aborted.

The keys to success in America include:

1 - stay in school and get a degree
2 - don't get pregnant
3 - get a job, and keep it until a better one is available

Teen sex should never be encouraged - what good can come from it except for a few minutes of pleasure?

KSig RC 10-27-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Unfortunately, many of the teen sexers lack knowledge of sex and birth control.

[Then, later . . .]

Teen sex should never be encouraged - what good can come from it except for a few minutes of pleasure?

What good? A few minutes of pleasure, as well as many additional positives that can come with a healthy sex life.

What bad can come of it? Pregnancy, STI, etc - all things that would be significantly ameliorated with knowledge of sex and birth control.

So why do we fight for bullshit like 'abstinence-only' sex ed? It's insanity.

a.e.B.O.T. 10-27-2005 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Unfortunately, many of the teen sexers lack knowledge of sex and birth control.

In GA, over half the births are to unmarried women, and over 60% of minority births are to unmarried women. Huge addl. numbers are aborted.

The keys to success in America include:

1 - stay in school and get a degree
2 - don't get pregnant
3 - get a job, and keep it until a better one is available


Teens know more then you think... we just choose to ignore it



Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Teen sex should never be encouraged - what good can come from it except for a few minutes of pleasure?

By that logic, what good is having sex at all except to get pregnant!!!

Coramoor 10-27-2005 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier

Teen sex should never be encouraged - what good can come from it except for a few minutes of pleasure?
Well for one some of the older predators will have a much more difficult time getting teenage girls.

AchtungBaby80 10-27-2005 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
So why do we fight for bullshit like 'abstinence-only' sex ed? It's insanity.
I agree. By not giving young people accurate information about birth control and STDs, we're really setting them up for problems later on. Do you really think that just because we preach abstinence that none of them are going to have sex? Think again.

James 10-28-2005 02:46 AM

That can be a damn good few minites! :p

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier


Teen sex should never be encouraged - what good can come from it except for a few minutes of pleasure? [/B]

LightBulb 10-28-2005 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a.e.B.O.T.
Teens no more then you think...
teehee... sorry aebot

a.e.B.O.T. 10-28-2005 10:53 PM

i meant *know* and we do... its you adults that are stupid!!!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:25 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.