Is being in 2 different sororities okay?
 

If a person is in a volunteering based sorority, in which they pledged their first semester and got initiated of their freshman year, and no longer wants to be a part of it (I'm assuming because it is a Hispanic org. and they're African American...among other things.) are they able to still pledge and be initiated into a "Black" sorority in which they know for sure they want to join?

It depends on what you call a "volunteering based sorority" and even if the national guidelines say it is OK, it often depends on the situation on your particular campus.

It depends on which organizations you're talking about and what their rules are.

Unless you can be more specific, we can't help you.

more info
 

Their in Kappa Delta Chi and want to join Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta or Sigma Gamma Rho.

KDChi is a NALFO org. I'm sure the sorority frowns on (if it's not spelled out in a policy) having dual membership in other collegiate sororities. It would be like an NPC woman initiating into an NPHC sorority or vice versa.

If she could even do it, that's certainly frowned on. And, I'm sure she couldn't be in two on one campus. That's crazy!

yeah, HIGHLY doubtful that it is ok with the national sororities... why would you want a member who pledges themselves to a sorority and then is willing to break their vow?

The two sororities aren't on the same campus. And overall is it still do-able?.....(waiting on next question, on phone).....When you submit your information to Nationals for one org. and do it for the next org. will they find out? I guess she means does all the information go to one place?

So you're saying "she" is just going to lie? :)

maybe if she disaffiliated from KDChi first she could...but fact of the matter is that if the new school is close to the old school...she could still get found out. people in greek orgs talk. i am assuming she is moving to a school without a KDChi chapter?

she could do it, but i suggest she re-evaluate her reasoning for wanting to be greek and what organization she chooses. it's not somthing just do all...oh what's the word...all willy nilly. you also shouldn't be hiding things from your future sisters...and she would be hiding a lot if she didn't tell them. and if she did tell them, most likely wouldn't be chosen unless she had a darn good explaination.

Yes, I really wonder why "she" wants to jump ship and is willing to lie to do so? Oops - or is it that "she" want to be in both??

Adding: I CANNOT see AKA, Delta, Zeta or SGRho taking "her" if they know what's going on.

Adding again: To say that KDChi is a volunteering organization appears to be an attempt at making it like a service org with open membership. KDChi is a service organization in the way that Theta Nu Xi is or Delta Sigma Theta. We're all service organizations but we have a VERY selective membership process.

"White" to "Black"
 

I have a friend who went from AGD to DST. I am not sure if the Deltas knew she had been in AGD previously or not, but she has not seemed to have had a problem with either group yet. She's been a DST for 4 yrs(now in the grad chapter) and was an AGD for 2 yrs.

You raise a really good question, though...not sure if this question has been a thread already, so if it has, sorry for the duplicate question:

WHAT ARE THE PROVISIONS ABOUT JOINING A "HISTORICALLY BLACK" GLO, THEN "CROSSING OVER" AND VICE VERSA? I INCLUDE LATINA, ASIAN, MULTI-CULTURAL SORORITIES IN THIS TOO, OF COURSE. IS THERE A CERTAIN PROVISION AGAINST IT...OR IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE, ARE THERE PROPER STEPS TO TAKE IN DE-PLEDGING ONE BEFORE JOINING THE OTHER?

Forgive my ignorance on this, but this is something that NEVER crossed my mind, nor was even discussed among my chapter until one of my friends told me that she had been AGD previously. I never knew people would actually WANT to leave one organization for another.

First of all no, it's not me. SHE doesn't have the internet! And to ask a question to the last note. Did the girl who was in AGD transfer to a different state? Or schools?

One or two of the NPHC sororities, to the best of my knowledge, are okay with dual membership. Others aren't. She needs to do her research herself and figure it out.

The only reason I really wanted to respond to this thread is because I kept reading your screen name as "Drunk 'n' pretty" and I am glad that is not actually the case . . . heh.

I thought it was Drunk n' party.

Re: "White" to "Black"
 

Honestly, I believe it depends on the organization and/or the chapter. I think that if any one were to be allowed in most cases, they would have to answer some tough questions like:

1. Why did you join the other organization in the first place?
2. Why are you leaving that organization?
3. Are you going to disaffiliate/depledge? If not, why?
4. Do you plan on being active and representing both organizations?
5. How do we know you won't flake out on us and go join something else after you're initiated?

And personally, I think you'd have to have some darn good answers. Anyway, I think most organizations would say no. I personally would vote no on anyone who was in another org first. I believe that a sorority is a life long membership...and that's why you should seriously research and make sure it's the right decision for you before you just pledge anything. That's why I don't like when orgs allow 1st sememster freshman to join...I've heard and seen more than one person screw themselves by just jumping in without knowing what is really going on.

Also, some organizations actually have it in their constitution about if this is allowed or not. Almost all orgs outside of IFC/NPC call themselves a service organization. Maybe your friend from AGD got away with it because AGD is classified as a social org and DST is classified as a service org.

Re: more info
 

they haven't even narrowed it down to one?

whoa.....

Relative to DST, if it is a NPC sorority, then the answer is flat out no, even if they depledged or denounced (this is a recent policy change.) If not, then maybe, depending on the whim of the chapter in which she now seeks membership--they may have other reasons for not accepting her.

But then my answer really isn't relevant since you specifically referred to Zeta Phi Beta in its forum.

What if "she" decides "she" doesn't like the NPHC org? Is "she" going to just try to find another org to join?

Seriously though, KDChi is not just a service org. Alpha Phi Omega on the other hand, is a service-based org.

Me too!

Re: Re: more info
 

Perhaps they have but are simply being discreet (which is rare as hen's teeth around here lately so you probably didn't pick it up ;) ).

ETA wait, perhaps they have.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=71542

And yes, saying KDChi is "volunteering based" is really stretching it. Not that they don't volunteer, but you know what I mean.

Well, not just 'service-based'. We are a Service Fraternity vs. a Social Fraternity. Thus members can join us and a Social Fraternity or Sorority. The 'you can join only one' doesn't apply to us.

There are only 2 Service Sororities: Gamma Sigma Sigma and Omega Phi Alpha. All the others are either social, honorary, or professional.

I would think that regardless of whether or not the social sorority in question is Latino, Historically Black, NPHC, NPC, etc, the same 'rules' applies as with social fraternities: you get to join one.

I can't speak on whether one can disassociate from one and then join another. Will leave that to those qualified to answer that.

I didn't want to get further into it but there's the whole selective membership thing with social GLOs. I think it's safe to say that organizations which have Title IX exemption are the ones that discourage/forbid cross membership.

Any thoughts on that?

I've never heard Title IX brought into the discussion on joining more then one social. The idea of only joining one long predates it. (Title IX came out in the early 70s or so).

There is also some restrictions amoung the professionals. I believe you are only allowed to join one of a particular kind. (ie, there are several business GLO. But you can only join one).

I've never tied in the 'selective membership' policies of the socials as a reason for only joining one. I've always tied it to their social aspects that meant that joining another social kind of went against. (while service, professional, and honoraries use the concepts of fraternialized, they are a little different).

It could be Drunken Party or Dark and Pretty as a play on a Black Hair care product line called Dark n Lovely

What I meant is that we can look today at organizations falling under the Title IX exemption and use that as a measure of the likelihood that an organization would allow cross membership. I do know the history though!

So, it's not because of the status that they're exclusive but their exclusiveness can be predicted if you know the status.

It seems to be a tradition moreso than a longstanding rule for social orgs. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.

On the drunken party, has everyone seen her signature? "Dark and Pretty is all I am, and wanna be."

My point was more of an observation that this was an interesting concept. I had never heard anyone put it forth. (also, I made no assumpts as to how knowledgable you might be about Title IX. I was more concerned that others out there won't be).

AFAIK, I believe its a rule amoung the socials. But I'll leave it up to others to confirm/deny.

As to 'tradition'. I heard an interesting quote about tradition. Basically it went that 'its tradition when we've forgotten why we do it'. (you know the old reaction: "we HAVE to do it. It's TRADITION").

I see. Very good then! (And, it's looking more and more like tradition - plus it sets the socials apart as more elitist...whether or not that's truly good.)

I keep thinking 'Durk and Purty' for some reason...:confused:

enigma_AKA

I thought Dark and Pretty. :o :confused: LOL

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It's more than tradition. The NIC's By-Laws state:

To be eligible for membership in the Conference, a fraternity must: (3) Be mutually exclusive of and in competition with other general fraternities, meaning that no member fraternity shall initiate a member of another fraternity until such time as the second fraternity shall have been formally notified in writing by the national office of the first fraternity that a candidate for membership in the second fraternity is no longer regarded as a member of the fraternity.

Similarly, an NPC Unanimous Agreement states:

A woman who is or who has ever been an initiated member of an existing NPC fraternity shall not be eligible for membership in another NPC fraternity.

As for social fraternities that are not members of the NIC, the rules may vary but are usually spelled out by governing documents.

It also might be worth noting that the NIC provision refers to "general" fraternities, not "social" fraternities. "General fraternities" is the term traditionally used to describe those fraternities that do not limit their membership to a specific field of study, area of interest, etc.

These rules exist within each council. We're talking about joining across councils.

In this case, NALFO to NPHC...

ETA: Oh wait - I see what you're getting at.

Kappa Delta Chi Sorority, Inc. is indeed NALFO, but NALFO itself does not govern it's individual member organizations or the totality of the NALFO family. I would hope this woman in question would take a good look at the merits of her sorority (which there are many--go KDCHis!!) and decide to continue being an active member.

Personally, I don't even know HOW a person goes about dissaffiliating herself from a LGLO. I think most people who find themselves unhappy with their choice just kind of "fade away" and keep their discontent to themselves, rather than try to join another organization. In my opinion, that would be the most appropriate thing to do if you don't want to be an active member anymore.

What is Title IX exemption?

Title IX, EDUCATION AMENDMENTS OF 1972 to use its full name, is a federal law dealing with school receiving governement funding that was created to force gender equality at schools.

This affected things like sports teams, school clubs, and the like. general/social fraternities and sororities were exempt (as are a few other groups), but most other groups were not. This affected my fraternity, and was one of the factors that caused us to go co-ed. There were other college groups that also went co-ed for the same reason (ex: Iron Arrow Society at University of Miami).

Since it was the 30th anniversary of it recently, there has been several articles about it. But most of them focused on the affects on college sports.

Hope this helps.

Thanks. I should have been clearer with my question. I know what Title IX is. I had never heard of it being relevant to GLOs or more specifically NPHC orgs.

AFAIK there is nothing specifically stated that says if a person is a member of a non-NPHC sorority, then she can not be a member of SGR.

But, since we don't have detail information on this situation and the OP posted the same question in the Zeta Phi Beta forum, I am going to let this one go.......

she transfered to a different state

Most people aren't aware of its relevance to GLOs.

As I noted, socials were exempted from it, so those involved in social GLOs are probably unaware of it or its affects on college organizations.

However, non-socials (service, professional, honorary, etc) were definetly affected.

The affects of it was of grave concern to APO. As a service fraternity, we were not exempt from it. We could have lost chapters at schools if their administration decided to push the matter. We worked to both get ourselves exempted from it (didn't work), and to get our actives to approve going co-ed (happened in 1976).

I know that Iron Arrow, an honorary men's leadership organization at Univ of Miami was kicked off campus under Title IX for refusing to go co-ed. When they changed their policy 10-15 years later, they were allowed back on campus.

Are the 2 service sororities, Gamma Sigma Sigma and Omega Phi Alpha also co-ed? Just a little confused, and trying to understand.