"God told me to do it" Claims Bush
 

I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I can't believe this.... :eek: :eek: :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006...q_051006214432

Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan: BBC Thu Oct 6, 6:05 PM ET



LONDON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush allegedly said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, a new BBC documentary will reveal, according to details.

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Bush made the claim when he met Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and then foreign minister Nabil Shaath in June 2003, the ministers told the documentary series to be broadcast in Britain later this month.

The US leader also told them he had been ordered by God to create a Palestinian state, the ministers said.

Shaath, now the Palestinian information minister, said: " President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God.

'God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan'.'

"And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it'," said Shaath.

Abbas, who was also at the meeting in the Egyptian resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, recalled how the president told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation.

"So I will get you a Palestinian state."

A BBC spokesman said the content of the programme had been put to the White House but it had refused to comment on a private conversation.

The three-part series, "Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs", charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from former US president Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza strip.

The programme speaks to presidents and prime ministers, their generals and ministers, about what happened behind closed doors as the peace talks failed and the intifada grew.

The series is due to be screened in Britain on October 10, 17 and 24.

Please deliver us from EVIL

Please tell me that this is a piece inspired by The Onion... right? I mean come on even I don't believe Bush is that dumb.

*lightbulb*

George Bush doesn't care about black people and he doesn't care about Greek Chat!:D

He probably can't even spell Mission or GOD!

If the devil made Geraldine do it, Then God made Bush do it.

This is right up there with http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb261.gif


This is why it's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth..... you know the rest of the saying.

If Bush is right, Jesus is wrong......

GOD TOLD MOSES TO TELL PHAROAH TO LET HIS PEOPLE GO



THE EGYPTIANS BACK THEN PROBABLY WERE MAD TOO

JESUS NOT ONLY WALKS HE STILL TALKS


IF HE AINT TALKING TO YOU IT AINT NOBODY FAULT BUT YOURS

HUMBLE YOURSELVES PRIDEFUL ONES AND MAYBE YOUR SPIRITUAL EARS WILL OPEN.

I'd hardly align Dumbya to Moses.
:rolleyes:

Y'all's responses in this thread are funny as hayle.:D

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.'


is Dubya truly the Anti -christ or is he just a wanna b. isn't the anti-christ a man from the west who makes peace n the middle east

Hell 2 the naw no peace in the middle east




:eek: :D ;)

we can compare prohets of old to those who are followers of JESUS

the prophets talked to God believers after the pentacost

have the privalege of the Ruach ha Kodesh(HOLY SPIRIT) living inside of them.

BUSH MAY OR MAY NOT BE BORN AGAIN but if he is he dose have the ability to comunicate with God

and if he is not it still dose not matter because the God that controlled king nebuchadnezzer controls all leaders


his title is LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

AND IF I MAY PRESIDENT OF PRESIDENTS

I thought the only God that Bush recognizes is the one that's little, green, and made out of paper with dead presidents' pictures on it. :rolleyes:

Okay someone has to say it:

So Rove has gone from being an advisor to being a 'god'? :D

Yeah, he said LET MY PEOPLE GO!! NOT KILL THEM!! And what Jesus did you read about that tells folks to KILL ppl?! INNOCENT ppl?! If "HE" is telling YOU to kill, then that sounds like a problem with which clozapine, risperdal or some other anti-psychotic medication can assist you!

ok, if I may have the "PRIVALEGE" of informing you of something, I'd be glad to have your ear. No one is doubting God and Jesus guide our actions [I testify to this DAILY!!!] what we ARE questioning is IF JESUS actually told bush [or anyone for that matter] to senselessly MURDER a whole lotta those fools in the Middle East.

Also, no one is questioning whether or not he "DOSE" have the ability to communicate with God.....WE ALL DO!!! What we are saying is that, just because someone say they "DOSE" have the ability, or received a message from a certain source, "DOSEn't" necessarily make it true!! And since bush "DOSE" lie a WHOLE LOTTA DA TIME... this, we believe, is an extension of such lies!!!

I wouldn't call him the "president of presidents" [that's a title reserved for FDR]...I would however call him FOOL OF FOOLS!!! That's much more fitting! And for someone to at least portray a person so didactically enlightened, it seems odd to talk about God as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and then say g dub is the president of presidents, isn't there something in the bible o about uhhhh, not worshipping things of the earth, false idols etc. but to compare g dub to GOD!!!... come on!

You're right, that's his motto in GOD [GET OUR DOLLAZ] we trust!!

KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS MASTER OF MASTERS PRESIDENT OF PRESIDENTS LEADER OF LEADERS I WAS REFERING TO THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD YAHSHUA


DEATH IS A RESULT OF WAR

AND THAT IS A DECISION THAT PRESIDENTS MAKE

RIGHT OR WRONG HE WILL ANSWER FOR HIS DECISION

THE BOOK OF REVELATION SPEAKS OF WAR IN THE FUTURE AND IF THAT BOOK IS TRUE PROPHECY THEIR WILL BE A LOT MORE KILLING GOING ON

THIS IS THE WORLD WE LIVE IN A VERY DEADLY PLACE

BUT WE ARE SO SPOILED IN AMERICA WE DONT WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT KILLING A COW TO EAT THAT PHILLY CHEESE STEAK

WHY DO WE NEED MILITARY AND POLICE? WELL ASK MR. HOROWITZ WHO LOSS HIS WIFE TO SOME LUNATIC.


GOD WILL USE ARMIES TO DO HIS WILL AS WELL AS HURRICANES AND EARTHQUAKES


THE REAL WAR IS IN YOUR BODY...IT CAN BE WON WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT YAHSHUA SENT 2000 YEARS AGO.

AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU HAVE PEACE AND JOY

HATE IS MURDER

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AGAIN!!! I'm not sure from wince your information is derived, but MY BIBLE tells me we have choice, everything we do is NOT sanctioned by God, hence THAT is why we have a Heaven and a Hell. Heaven is for those who live life righteously confess God sent his only begotten Son to die for our Sins and Repent for our wrongoing, Hell is for those who don't, and follow their wills instead of God's. Stop contradicting yourself, initially you said "IF HE AINT TALKING TO YOU IT AINT NOBODY FAULT BUT YOURS
HUMBLE YOURSELVES PRIDEFUL ONES AND MAYBE YOUR SPIRITUAL EARS WILL OPEN." and then you came back and said "RIGHT OR WRONG HE WILL ANSWER FOR HIS DECISION." OK, well just in case if you didn't actually LOOK at the title of this thread, it is named ""God told me to do it" Claims bush" now I don't think anyone here is negating the fact that bush, and all of us for that matter can talk to God, however, what we ARE in fact negating is the fact that GOD told bush to kill all of those people, which based on your last post appears to be an issue with which you agree, or at least are not certain one way or another! so the buck stops here, well it can, you can either continue to contradict yourself, or admit to yourself that you're an idiot for trying to defend bush on this one and shut up [well stop replying at least].


In addition, you spoke of King Nebuchadnez'zar which is in the Book of Daniel, by the way, Daniel's gift was that he can interpret dreams, and Daniel interpreted King Nebuchadnez'zar's dreams, in that SAME BOOK. The book of Daniel also discusses four great beasts, one like a lion, other like a bear, other like a leopard and the last different from all others terrible and dreadful and exceedingly strong. The last had ten horns, and one great one grew out, displacing three. It represents the fourth kingdom that is different from the other three, 10 leaders shall arise, one arises after then different from the former and put down three leaders. "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time. But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end." [Daniel 7: 25-26]

Now, this may be a stretch, but let me "philosophize" on this one.

three kingdoms

Lion: Rome, historically the World's greatest superpower, but it too fell
Bear: UK, I wont' get into it publicly, I can just imagine the types of debates this will launch
Leopard: "Native America" having to "flee" Euro persecution and slaughter [after helping those bastards survive the first winter mind you]
Worst: U.S.

Ten leaders:
George Washington
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
FDR
Truman
Eisenhower
JFK
Nixon
Clinton
george w.

who did george w. displace?: [not in a physical sense, but undermining accomplishment]
FDR: george w. wants to privatize social security [i.e., end] benefits, and end welfare, both of which were established under FDR both of which bush is trying to alleviate
Nixon: it was under his administration affirmative action was initiated [also, until now, he was indubidably the most controversial president, a title quickly snatched by g dub] again george w wants to knock him off
Clinton: for the first time in decades not only was the budget balanced [well w/o using the medicare funds] but there was a hug surplus, bush messed all of that up, and the new record is on the deficit side.

speak words against the most high [i.e., God told me to do it]
wear out the Saints of the most high [running his campaign on Religious persecution as if he actually has morals]
think to change the times and the law [including a constitutional ban on gay marriage, Patriot Act etc., when there are still REAL looming issues such as educational disparities, homelessness, lack of health care etc. ]

ok, enough ranting on for one day, that is just my take on things Mr. Yashuah's son. So while I wholeheartedly believe God did not tell him to do it, I do KNOW that it was written!

ok I lied, in the end you said hate is murder [yet another way you prove what bush does is NOT of God]

in 1 John 4:7, John: 13:34, 1 Peter 1:22, Romans 13:8 [and echoed throughout the Bible] it tells us "love one another. "

John 14:15 says "If ye love me, keep my commandments" [i.e., thou shall not kill]

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love

so, how could somone who hates [murders] be doing the will of God when he tells us to LOVE all through the Bible?

God told him- I wonder if he told the soldiers that lost their lives that also- he needs to go back and fall on his knees and really get discernment! God don't bless no mess! Hmm I wonder if he's trying to tell him or us something with all these natural disasters around the world and here in the U.S.-especially in Florida makes you wonder doesn't it! Now before ya'll jump all over me I know God doesn't cause disaters- but he allows the devil to have free reign sometimes doesn't he? to work out his divine purposes as he did with Job in times of testing.

let's pray for G. BUSH JR. in the name of JESUS.

this is our(born again believers) weapon of mass destruction.





PRAYER


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You don't have any idea how stupid this sounds right? :rolleyes:

the natural (unredeemed) man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.

I'm sorry but you compared prayers to Lord to chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons - I think you are the one that sounds foolish... well either that or a member of the WBC...

psalms 118: 22-23 that is the verse i quoted

prayer is stronger than those physical weapons you listed well maybe you dont know the LORD personally

if not he is one prayer away.


JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ROBERT SO MUCH THAT HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND MINE

THE WONDERFUL THING IS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER INTERCEDING FOR US

AS WE CONTINUE TO ARGUE OVER NOTHING

I'm just appalled that you view prayer as a weapon... which seems to be pretty much counter to Jesus' teachings.

I guess I choose the follow the teachings of the 'Prince of Peace' not some other god of violence and vengence.

weapons of warfare
 

the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself over the knowlege of God, bringing every thought into the obediance of Christ(YAHSHUA) 2 Corithians 10 : 4-5



put on the whole armor of God so that you will be able to stand firm against strategies and tricks of the devil.for we are night fighting against flesh and blood but against evil rulers and authorities in the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness that rule the world and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms-------PRAY AT ALL TIMES AND ON EVERY OCCASION IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. EPHESIANS 6 : 10-18

THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT IS THE WORD OF GOD(YAHSHUA)

THE WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND POWERFUL SHARPER THAN ANY TWO EDGEDED SWORD PIERCING EVEN TO THE DIVIDING ASUNDER OF THE SOUL AND SPIRIT,AND THE THE JOINTS AND MARROW DISCERNING THE VERY THOUGHTS AND INTENTIONS OF THE HEART. HEBREWS 4:12






PRAYER IN THE NAME OF YAHSHUA/JESUS IS STRONGER THAN ANY PHYSICAL WEAPON

just remember this man, you can NOT make sense out of nonsense. Notice he NEVER responded to anything previously stated, including the scriptures, but is now quoting scriptures [out of context mind you] and completely ignoring the facts! the TRUE weapon of mass destruction is IGNORANCE!!! and if he's any indication of the dumbassdedness in the world... WE'RE DOOMED!!

you are doomed unless you accept YAHSHUA as your personal savior.

repent daughter of minerva for the KINGDOM OF THE LIVING GOD IS AT HAND GET COVERED BY THE BLOOD OF YAHSHUA THE PASSOVER LAMB THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD AND DEATH WILL PASSOVER YOU


YAHSHUA STANDS AT THE DOOR OF YOUR HEART LET HIM IN

First off lets correct your "quote"
for the weapons of our warfare are not merely human, but they have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguements and every proud obstacle raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ

Now I'm hoping you understood that Paul was using the imagery of warfare in writing advice to counter those who happened to be engaged in a debate with the fledgling Christian community in Corinth right?

Quote:

put on the whole armor of God so that you will be able to stand firm against strategies and tricks of the devil.for we are night fighting against flesh and blood but against evil rulers and authorities in the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness that rule the world and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms-------PRAY AT ALL TIMES AND ON EVERY OCCASION IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. EPHESIANS 6 : 10-18

not going to bother with correcting this as it would take to long - but again you do understand the context of the letter right? You do undestand the entire section you quoted refers to preparing for spiritual warfare as right? you do also understand that it was in again the context of defending themselves in spiritual/theological debates in the community right? finally you do understand that again allegorical symbolism was being used - and in the entirity of the quote it talks of armour or defending themselves... the WMD you compared prayer to are weapons not armour...

Quote:

THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT IS THE WORD OF GOD(YAHSHUA) THE WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND POWERFUL SHARPER THAN ANY TWO EDGEDED SWORD PIERCING EVEN TO THE DIVIDING ASUNDER OF THE SOUL AND SPIRIT,AND THE THE JOINTS AND MARROW DISCERNING THE VERY THOUGHTS AND INTENTIONS OF THE HEART. HEBREWS 4:12

Nice - misinterpreting theological symbolism used to explain how discerning and exacting the Lord in seeing the true nature of a person; and equating it to a weapon of violence... though I do find it telling you did actually use any of Christ's words - is that because you couldn't find much in terms of Christ using the imagery or violence or war in the promotion of his message?

Again though I think you are missing the context of why Paul uses the symbolism he does - Who was Paul? What culture was he a citizen of? and finally how militaristic was the symbolism of the society in which Paul grew up?

If you contrast the symbolism used by Chirst or writers of the New Testament you might notice that they don't use the symbolism of warfare or armaments like Paul does - because they are coming from a different cultural background.

Finally whats with the all capitals? Do you think that makes the message more powerful despite the fact it highlights your mistakes?

do not think that i have come to bring peace on the earth i did not come to bring peace but a sword(Word of God)



the prince of peace will bring peace to those who are blessed to have his HOLY SPIRIT enter into their bodies.

but their will be no peace on earth until YAHSHUA RETURNS

Jesus was here in the beginning before the earth ever was.

YAHSHUA is our peace and our rest enter in and rest in peace

PRAYER CHANGES THINGS

IT CAN CAUSE MUDERERS TO BECOME SAINTS

IT CAN MAKE HOMOSEXUALS BECOME FAITHFUL HUSBANDS
IT CAN MAKE DRUG DEALERS INTO PREACHERS

AND IT CAN TAKE YOUR ANGER AND TURN IT INTO JOY

Maybe you could spend more time praying and less ranting then.

oh one more rant it can cause hazers to become non hazers

oh one more rant it can cause hazers to become non hazers

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