New Trend
 

I really appreciate participating in your forum and will start my posting with new information , I also would like to have your comments on the declared phenomenon:

After the tragic attack on 9/11 and the war on terrorism, Islam remain the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

http://www.therevival.co.uk/revivali...onversions.htm
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

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I thought it was because of fear?

Its one of the few religions left where not being a member can result in you be killed . . it would make sense to convert because it might increase your chances of not being slain by a fanatic wouldn't it?

After all, none of the other major world religions will kill you for following Islam. Whereas members of Islam might very well kill yuo for not being something else.

Which is odd because originally Islam had a reputation for tolerance.

What exactly is the question?

the question is why Islam is increasing and USA is blaming it.

I think from what I've heard from different friends of mine who have converted to Islam, there are a few main reasons for most conversions:


1. Muslims and Christians agree that God is self-existent._ This means that He does not derive his existence from anyone._also they both believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace.

The Quran teach that Jesus is prophet or messenger from Allah and not a God so Quran denies the divinity of Jesus.The Qur'an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave, and that he raised the dead by God's leave.


2. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.


3. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.


4. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

That's what I got from the new Muslimah's group at Yahoo, Islamway women's board and a few other friends of mine. Stats taken by many college groups say that women convert 4 times more often then men.

Quick question, what exactly is USA blaming Islam about? I'm still a little confused about your questions.

As for why people do it, it's a very personal choice. You also have to remember that there are more then 30 different version of Islam, from your Sufi to your Wahabi. The thing about Islam is it's a very decentralize religion. There is no authority in Islam and fatwas come and go every single day. Depending on who you follow, people can pick and choose which fatwas to follow and which one to ignore.

Then you have different regional interpretation of the religion. What is consider a big thing in Indonesia can be consider sacriligious in Saudi Arabia. (For instance, many Indonesian Muslims believe in spirits of ancestor to help them go through rough patches. That will never be acceptable by the Wahabi)

Okay, I think this can potentially be an interesting discussion, but I'm in a hurry right now so I'm only going ot comment on the part I've quoted here.

The fact that any woman would feel that she needs religion to make her feel she doesn't "have to conform to western standards of sexy dress" etc. is incredibly sad. If you don't want to dress like a ho, don't. It's THAT EASY. You don't need religion to tell you that.

I agree with Val here. But this is the essence of the fundamental difference between Arab Islam and (non-Islamic) Americans. We just don’t get each other.

Being a non-Islamic American, I can only speak from one perspective, but I find #3 above incredibly sexist. The way the statement is written, (and what some Islamic Arabs believe) is this whole nonsensical thing that women are a slave to their sexuality; that it is some uncontrollable force that they just cant fight off (ignoring the fact that most all of the fighting, killing, raping and pillaging done throughout humanity has been done by men) and they need men (or the Qur'an) to save them from themselves. Damn near every woman I know loves their sexuality and its an essential part of who they are.

Why do people believe always believe that fashion and popular culture is driven from the top down 'liberal media'? When in fact, the media leaders and fashion pioneers always look to the people on the street (specifically the 18-24 demographic) for whats hot and new. The 'western' culture isn’t driven from the top down. Its driven from the bottom up. (Just spend 12 minutes with a group of 'cool' college kids. Listen to their vernacular.) Three years later you'll see that same vernacular repeated on the most popular TV shows.

Again, Arab Muslims just don’t get it. American women don’t feel threatened by our culture and the 'in your face' sexuality. I always love how people who aren’t familiar with our culture (whomever the author was) seem to be experts on it. If its so 'refreshing' for Arab Muslims to wear the hajab and stuff, why on international flights do the wealthy women peel off the beekeeper outfit to show off the channel suits and dresses as soon as they land in Paris or London or NY?

Again, this is the same nonsensical argument from the Islamic right that I am tired of. "The corrupt western culture" blah blah blah. Ever been to Cairo? Every apt. balcony has a satellite dish (same with many other middle eastern cities) pointed to the west cause the youth are watching Pimp My Ride, Charmed and The OC. Hypocritical much? I think so. Don’t worry tho. Hypocrisy isn’t inherent to Islam. In the states we have a term called 'back row Baptists' or sometimes called 'Sunday morning Baptists." It describes those who rally against the 'drink' and alcohol use, and are at the bar on Saturday night, but always at church on Sunday morning.

The root of the 'hatred' of 'corrupt American culture' is nothing more than thinly veiled jealousy. For thousands of years the Arab countries were the world leaders in art, science, mathematics, language, trade and culture. That’s hardly the case anymore. Jealousy+Poverty=Hatred bred in the madrassas. If it wasnt for the oil, the mid-east would be the biggest, best deserted beach on the planet.

BTW, I went to an Eid celebration last December. It was pretty cool.

*Edited to fix spelling, and that I hadn't used an uppercase "I" in Islam. Dont wanna piss no one off.

Woman, we can say that most Islamic societies aren't theocratic. I find it interesting that the three largest Islamic countries have had women heads of state (Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh), while the same can't be said of the three largest Christian countries.

I think you should visit this site to see how much Islam respect woman compared to Christianity:

Women in Christianity and Islam
http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/wchristian.html

The so-called freedom of western women and child
http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/act...p=2&item=11769

moe.ron,
I think your information about Islam is not accurate. The majority of Moslems are Sunni you can say 80%.Also the actions of an individual or a small group do not necessarily represent the beliefs of a particular religion, nor is that religion responsible for such actions. Therefore, the media’s labeling of those who are allegedly responsible for these actions as “Islamic Terrorists” and the linking of such actions to Islam or the Qur’an, is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam - just as the bombing at Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and the killings that occurred at Ibrahim Mosque, Hebron by Dr. Baruch Goldstein clearly contradict the teachings of Christianity and Judaism, respectively.

Islamic guide is for non-Muslims who would like to understand Islam
www.islam-guide.com

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This is an example from one of the woman:

Why Are Women Turning to Islam:

At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are WOMEN.

The status of women is society is neither a new issue nor is it a fully settled one, and where Islam is mentioned, for many the term 'Muslim Women' prompts images of exhausted mothers chained to the stove, 'victims' suppressed in a life of indoctrination, frantic to be westernized and so on. Others will go to great lengths to explain how the hijaab is an obstacle, clouding the mind, and comment that female converts are either brainwashed, stupid or traitors to their sex.

I reject such accusations and pose to them the following question: why is it that so many women who have been born and brought in the so called 'civilized' societies of Europe and America are willing to reject their 'liberty' and 'independence' to embrace a religion that supposedly oppresses them and is widely assumed to be prejudicial to them?

As a Christian convert to Islam, I can only present my personal experience and reasons for rejecting the 'freedom' that women claim to have in this society in favor of the only Religion that truly liberates women by giving us a status and position, which is completely unique when compared with that of non-Muslim counterparts. Before coming to Islam, I had strong feminist tendencies and recognized that where the women was concerned, a lot of shuffling around had been going on, yet without being able to pin her on the social map.

The problem was ongoing: new 'women's issues' being raised without the previous ones being satisfactorily resolved. Like the many women who shared my background, I would accuse Islam of being a sexist religion, discriminating, oppressing and giving men the greater privileges. All this coming from a person who did not even know Islam, one who had been blinded due to ignorance and had accepted this deliberately distorted definition of Islam.

However, despite my criticisms of Islam, inwardly I wasn't satisfied with my own status as a woman in this society. It seemed to me that society would define such terms as 'liberty' and 'freedom' and then these definitions were accepted by women without us even attempting to question or challenge them. There was clearly a great contradiction between what women were told in theory and what actually happens in practice. The more I pondered, the greater emptiness I felt within. I was slowly beginning to reach a stage where my dissatisfaction with my status as a women in this society, was really a reflection of my greater dissatisfaction with society itself.

Everything seemed to be degenerating backwards, despite the claims that the 2000 was going to be the decade of success and prosperity. Something vital seemed to be missing from my life and nothing would fill this vacuum. Being a Christian did not do anything for me, and I began to question the validity of only remembering God one day a week - Sundays! As with many other Christians too, I had become disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Church and was becoming increasingly unhappy with the concept of Trinity and the deification of Jesus.

Eventually, I began to look into Islam. At first, I was only interested in looking at those issues, which specifically dealt with women. I was surprised. What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them. As Allah says: Whoever does deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them [Nisaa 4:124]

So having amended my misconceptions about the true status of women in Islam, I was now looking further. I wanted to find that thing which was going to fill the vacuum in my life. My attention was drawn towards the beliefs and practices of Islam. It was only through establishing the fundamentals that I would understand where to turn and what to prioritize. These are often the areas, which receive little attention or controversy in society, and when studying the Islamic Creed, it becomes clear why this is the case: such concise, faultless and wholly comprehensive details cannot be found elsewhere.

According to the Qur'an, men and women are equal before God; women are not blamed for violating the "forbidden tree," nor is their suffering in pregnancy and childbirth a punishment for that act.

Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings. A marital gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she may keep her own family name rather than adopting her husband's. Roles of men and women are complementary and collaborative. Rights and responsibilities of both sexes are equitable and balanced in their totality.

Both men and women are expected to dress in a way that is simple, modest and dignified; specific traditions of female dress found in some Muslim countries are often the expression of local customs rather than religious principle. Likewise, treatment of women in some areas of the Muslim world sometimes reflects cultural practices which may be inconsistent, if not contrary, to authentic Islamic teachings.
The messenger of God said:
"The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

Whom are you addressing in the following statement?



Why is that your grasp of the English language seems excellent until the issue of woman (singular) vs. women (plural) arises? Could it be because your only 16?

I do appreciate God-Spam.

But for fun, I shall debate the 16 year old.

John Walker Lindh, you are in way over your head here. Older and wiser kids have debated with us on here and have left in tears. If you’re up for it, we are. But don’t come on hoping to win converts. GC isn’t a place that really tolerates evangelism.

GC Lessons for the Newbie:

#1 - The flagrant use of 'so-called' in any argument automatically lessons the intent and effect of such argument.

#2 - All of us are capable of finding random sources that no one has ever heard of to back up our points. I could probably cite a source that says there's 14 months in the year. For all we know that completely un-attributed and un-cited story written by your convert could have been written by you. Except for the bad grammar, so it could have been written by anyone but you.

#3 - Generally speaking, I don’t click on any link that has a country code other than .us, .ca, or .uk. I don’t know what the .za extension is, but I do know I don’t want the US Treasury department or Customs and Immigration at my door tomorrow morning for violating the Patriot Act.

#4 - Make sure your links actually work. The one from Amnesty International didn’t.

#5 - Tim McVeigh never claimed that he bombed the federal building in OKC to further a religious agenda. The 9/11 attackers did. His goal was an act against the government. Specifically to start a race war. He was a bigot, not a zealot.

#6 - Your first argument was incredibly weak. But due to your age, Its understandable to fall into the correlation implies causation argument. I'd encourage you to Google cum hoc ergo propter hoc for a better understanding of an incorrect categorical syllogism.

Hank, don't listen to lifesaver...you're amazing.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2150/pimp7mz.gif

.za = South Africa

I'm still confused about what exactly would you like to debate. By the way, Indonesia is not an Islamic country. It has a secular constitution and the two largest political parties in the country are nationalist parties.

You cannot steer people's personal faith. Islam is now a part of western culture, whether you like it or not. It's not just for people in prison, or rock stars looking for a new thing. Some people just associate with Islam more than Christianity. That does for the other side of things too - 70% or so of Americans are Christians, and although many don't like that, it's just the way it is. It's a fact, it can't be changed, and those people are entitled to follow their faith. Acts in the name of Christianity have been responsible for some pretty fuc.ed up consequences in the last 50 years.

The Christians most likely killed WAY more protestants, Jews and 'Indian's in South America. Also, North Americans killing the natives and all that. Islam also has its extremists but it united the disparaged tribes of the Middle East and brought peace to the region, which led to it being the bastion of learning, right? Technically speaking, the Destabilization of the area started with the crusades and then continued under many an imperial regime.


I don’t know why people hate Islam; I think the hate comes from the media. Some Americans are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to deceive them. Its always "a suicide bomber killed this many" and "violent Palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

Things like 9/11 happen daily in Palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to American funds. So we don’t require a great stretch of the imagination to understand why Muslims might be angry with the West at the moment. They could easily find faults with "Christianity" in their turn, since so many Christians are acting in total contradiction to Christian principles. But the true problem has nothing to do with religion. Public opinion is being quite deliberately stirred up for political motives - Hitler did the same. Saying this does not imply defense of religious creed, however - neither one nor the other.

I will add to your list another Moslems with big impact on history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crusade Expedition
Josef Stalin
Bush father
Bush son
Blair
Serbia Leader Molsefitch
All Israelis leaders and government members from the begging to date.
Etc

WTF are you trying to prove? You're rambling on and on about absolutely nothing. What is your main thesis?

You're awesome, lifesaver...you said exactly what I was going to say so that I don't have to type a big long post now. :)

There's a lot of this argument I don't buy. For example, I don't wear miniskirts up to my arse because the media says I have to; I wear them because I like doing so. If I don't feel like wearing revealing clothing one day, I won't. Like valkyrie said, it's that simple. I can't speak for all women, but I personally don't feel like society views me as an 'object,' so a religion that requires sexuality off-limits wouldn't do anything for me. I don't think I'd like it too much, actually. I get the impression that this thread is trying to turn into a Christian vs. Islam debate. (That was basically the original question, right?) Since I'm neither Christian nor Muslim I'm not going to add anything for either side, but I'll just say...the OP's got nerve for starting this debate so early in the morning... *yawn*

Good lord, this shouldn’t be this easy.

BTW, if you’re gonna play on GC in a debate, PLEASE actually debate what is posted instead of just cut and paste PR from the falafel vendor.

A few points from above.

If Arab Muslims EVER want their grievances to be taken seriously in the west, ya'll gotta stop with the crusades shit. SERIOUSLY, for Allah’s sake, it was 1,500 YEARS ago. I’ve pissed off some crazy bitches in my time, but NONE had a memory that lasted that long. YOU didn’t know anyone who died, and in the end, ya'll pretty much kept the middle east. Ottoman Empire anyone? So you’re bitching about some shit ya'll won anyway. LET-IT-GO. You're beating a dead camel.

Nobody on here said anything on here about westerners hating the Christian Africans. So thanks for bringing up a non-point. I think its the Arab Muslims that have the beef with Christians in their backyard. Sudan, anyone?

You also need to stop that shit with the "Islam united the tribes." Islam didn’t do that. Oil did. Ya'll were butchering the hell outta each other till 80 years ago when BP threw a spigot in the sand and 'up from the ground came a bubbling crude...oil that is....Texas tea." It would still be heads rollin in the sand over there if it wasn’t for oil. To pretend otherwise is just foolishness. It's not like the Qur'an taught anyone how to be a successful bizillionaire. Again, Oil did that. Oil civilized the mid-east. It provided the intra-arab stability no religion EVER could. Not Islam, Not Judaism, Not Christianity.

And lets not forget that the US has dropped the bombs on a few CHRISTIANS who were whopping the hell up on Muslims. Bosnia, anyone? Where were the mujahideen in 1995 when Scott O'Grady had to bail out of his plane over Bosnia defending the no-fly zone to protect the Muslims? Where were all those brave Islamic Freedom Fighters (other than at hate camp) when he was living in the woods for 5 days eating roaches and stuff? Yeah, we as the US stepped in cause the Arab Islamic countries couldn’t get their shit together to help their own people... as usual.

Your final point goes back to the first post I made, which is that Arab Muslims just don’t get it. You all think that just because US foreign policy says one thing, we all agree with it. I don’t know what the Bedouins are teaching in the tents at night, but its wrong. As an American, I think our Israeli foreign policy is FOOLISH AND STUPID, and so do many people ( I like to believe in the Nixon, ‘silent majority’). I hate that we support Israel. But I'll let you in on a secret. The reason why we do it is two fold. (Let me announce publicly, that I don’t support or agree with these reasons, but they are obvious to even the most causal observer). First, they look like us. It’s a natural extension of the inherent racism that exists in America. If it the Jews were the brown ones and the Palestinians were white, we'd be selling tanks and planes to a whole 'nother group. And second, we like the Jews because they have money and like to buy shit from us Americans. They buy all kinds of shit. F-14's, Double Espresso Caramel Macchiato’s at Starbucks, and baby tees at the Gap. If the situation was reversed It wouldn’t be the Palestinians wearing dynamite belts and climbing onto metro busses. The Jews in Israel buy our shit and we as greedy Americans love that shit. It’s like CRACK for us and we can’t say no. Want the US Support, get jobs and buy our stuff. We go where the cash is. We’re whores like that. Give us an emerging market and we’re there. Example: Vietnam. They’ll be digging up US servicemen from their unmarked graves to put in a Wal-Mart in a matter of months.. Its just how we are.

I don’t think anyone (especially on GC) hates Islam. But to me it seems like most Arab Muslim extremists hate themselves. That they aren’t the world leaders anymore. Again, from an earlier post, it just looks and smells a lot like jealousy to me.

Umm perhaps you should look at the skin color of Israelis just a tad bit closer. There are even darker shades in the Israeli population than the Arab population. The European roots of Israelis are definitely in the minority and the current ruling party is the darker party.

Anyway, I agree, this whole bullshit about the crusades needs to stop. Given that Islam spread through the sword into so many areas of the world and is trying to do the same with guns now, you have to be an absolute moron to bring up the crusades over and over. Heck why don't we discuss Mohammed and how he gained control over Mecca? Here's a hint: He didn't do it by offering brownies to the locals. The same Mecca is used to cut off body parts to this day. And the Armenian genocide of millions by the Ottomans just a few decades ago is quite the problem for Turkey as it wants to join the EU. The crusades are the last thing anyone has the right to bring up.

This guy is the Muslim version of Reverand Hatchett.

-Rudey

I was making a broad generalization about that, since it seems to be de rigeur with this cat. You know, Western culture opresses all women, etc.

my point is why Islam is increasing although West is fighting this religion indirectly through media?

I think Islam was thought of as some "Eastern" religion, but with the increasing number of Muslims living in the West, Islam is gradually being perceived as a global faith. Muslims are not thought of as strangers with unusual practices, but are being welcomed as part of the mosaic of life in the West. In many cases, Islam is not just viewed as an acceptable religion, but as a desired way of living.


Influence through reading new sources contributed more in conversion, like this:

God revealed a holy book to Jesus called the Injeel, some parts of which may be still available in the teachings of God to Jesus in the New Testament. But this does not mean that the Bible we have today because it is not the original scriptures that were revealed by God. They underwent alterations, additions, and omissions. This was also said by the Committee charged with revising The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version). This Committee consisted of thirty-two scholars who served as members of the Committee. They secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co-operating denominations.

The Committee said in the Preface to The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version), p. iv, “Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.

The Committee also said in the Preface, p. vii, Notes are added which indicate significant variations, additions, or omissions in the ancient authorities (Mt 9.34; Mk 3.16; 7.4; Lk 24.32, 51, etc.).

Maybe some do believe in the information declared in the following sites.

THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.html

Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.com

IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html

Women in Christianity and Islam
http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/wchristian.html

The Bible - A Closer Look!
http://www.todayislam.com/bible.htm

The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/Jesus/inIslam.asp

Christ in Islam
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Christ.htm

Mary & Jesus in Quran
http://www.islamworld.net/

Is Jesus the Same as God?
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Samegod.htm

None of the Bible’s Writers Believed That Jesus is God
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm

Jesus Will Descend at the End of Time
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=77

http://www.jamaat.net/letters.htm

Not true Rudey, this guy haven't condemn us all to hell because of our greek affiliation. Give him time though.

wow... and I thought I scared Hank away in his "hello" thread.

Reasons why you are annoying include:

1) Your stupidity in believing people will convert through your copy-and-paste activities.

2) Your stupidity in calling Islam a global or Western religion given its own rejection of the West. Does someone want a caliphate?

3) Your inability to speak English while writing incredibly lengthy posts.

-Rudey

hank --

Do you work for some sort of Muslim outreach group?

If this is the way you guys try to "reach out", have one of your folks actually use their student visas to attend class... maybe classes on Public Relations.

The gist of your argument seems to be somehow that Christianity is simply "made up", it's a farce and in essence, untrue. From what I've read of your links, their versions of the history of the Christian church differ greatly from that of the Christian church.. but I digress.

Your answers thus far have been nonresponsive and deceptive -- almost as if they were read straight off of Hamas' website. Please try and answer some of our questions. I started reading this thread thinking that it was going to possibly be an interesting discussion of cultures, however, it appears that you're only interested in having a one way conversation in which you dispense propaganda.

Quran:
11/51 O people! I ask of you no reward for this (Message). My reward is from none but Allah Who created me: will ye not then understand?


Quran:
Chapter No 005
Titel The Table Spread


005/116. And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden.

005/117. I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying) : Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things.

005/118. If Thou punish them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgive them (lo! they are Thy slaves). Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Mighty, the Wise.

005/119. Allah saith: This is a day in which their truthfulness profiteth the truthful, for theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they are secure for ever, Allah taking pleasure in them and they in Him. That is the great triumph.


Chapter No 004
Titel The Women

004/157. And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture ; they slew him not for certain.

004/158. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, wise.

004/159. There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them

004/170. O mankind! The messenger hath come unto you with the truth from your Lord. Therefor believe; ( it is) better for you. But if ye disbelieve, still, lo! unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth. Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

004/171. O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three". Cease! (it is) better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender




The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

"It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. before concluding that Islam is true. These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. , and every other sort of person imaginable"

No comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cut and paste english, but do you speak it?

Your responses are non-responsive.

If you're getting paid for this, you should be fired.

He posted this same thing on a Disney board.

Hank. :(

Is he ruining the magic there too? This is ridiculous. :(

-Rudey

I'd liked Hank better when we just knew his commercial and not his opinions.

*in ref. to the starbucks commercial*

I would like to debate professionally and have your comments of the sites I have mentioned before?

Also I would like to know why do you hate Islam?

Is it because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?
Do you deeply believe in the logic of Islam and you can’t say it?
Did you visit Islamic sites or read Koran to judge it?
Judging can’t be done by quick overview but needs reading and comparing.
Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?
We have all the resources to know and judge. Check the Internet, it’s free.

Beneficial Links for Non-Muslims
http://muslim-answers.org
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.al-sunnah.com/onlyforyou.htm
http://www.convertstoislam.org/
http://muslim-answers.org/am-toc.htm#BIBLE

Islam The Fastest Growing Religion in the World ...Discover Why?
http://www.whyislam.org/discoverwhy.htm

Veiws of Non-Muslim Scientists about Islam
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/nonmuslim.htm

http://www.jamaat.net/letters.htm

The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran:

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm
http://islamicity.com/science/
http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm

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somebody give him some more starbucks

ctrl-c, ctrl-v ?

If the people of the board you cut and paste to are critical of you, cut and paste the above message.

Personally, I don't "hate" Islam, I doubt anyone does here. What we do hate are people that spam our board by cutting and pasting messages of marketing. Share your own thoughts or begone. If you can't, I have to remind you that this is an English speaking board.

Here are some reasons that Americans in general distrust many of the followers of Islam:

How do you feel about suicide bombings?

How do you feel about Iraq?

How do you feel about the many Mosques teaching that the United States is inherently evil?

How do you feel about the way your religion treats women almost as being property? (I've dealt a bit with the laws of Iran and this is what I observed).

Why do you hate Americans? Why do you hate Jews? Why are you intolerant?

Why do you tell lies -- or speak things that can't be proven? Fastest growing religion? In the U.S., the Wiccans claim taht distinction as well. In the world, the Mormons claim that as well. They offer no proof, and I'm sure, neither will you.

Also, I and most other Christians could give a crap as to how another religion looks at ours. To say that Jews view Christians as such is to speak of something you know nothing about or just that you are a liar. Which is it?

Please cut and paste someone else's comments.

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hank, can you read and understand english? it does not appear that you can.

islam is not part of the western culture-islam is a culture unto itself.

islam does not honor women-it represses, restricts and abuses women.islam relegates women to 2nd class status.

your posts make followers of islam seem to be robotic, non-thinkers. gc'ers have asked you direct questions which you have not answered. can you think and reason for yourself? your posts make me think not.

islam closes peoples minds. followers are not tolerant of other peoples beliefs or lifestyles.

go away hank(or should we say mohammed or abdullah?)just go away!

Come on now, that's a little over the top, don't you think?

Islam, like any major religion has different sects/denominations. There are plenty of accomplished Muslim women out there who are not in the least bit repressed. The Muslim community here in Oklahoma City isn't all that larege, but I have come into contact with such people. Of course, at the same time, there are other Muslims who would condemn that behavior. Which type is Hank?

I'm not sure that Hank can even understand the words I'm typing.

Hank, how do you feel about suicide the suicide bombers killing Israeli children?

no ktsnake. i do not think it is over the top. i can truthfully say that every practicing muslim whom i have met is not tolerant of other peoples beliefs or ideologies. i will not be concerned being pc with people who do not play by our rules or respect them.

Just how many Muslims have you met that you're able to make such sweeping generalizations?

It's not "PC" as that I'm afraid to talk about things for what they are, I've just met enough Muslims (women included) that were smart, educated, accomplished, and liberal minded in the sense that they accepted viewpoints other than their own.

I've met some really cool, loving muslims.

But they werent Arab muslims. They were Bengalis.

*Edited to fix typo

Absolutely! A great number of my sorors are Muslim...and they honor our mission statement by promoting leadership, multiculturalism and self-improvement...being living examples of sisterhood across different races, cultures, religions, backgrounds and lifestyles.

Those that I deal with frequently are Persians -- and they'll correct you if you call them Iranians :)

Those that I work with are extremely hard workers, great businesspeople, they place a great deal of value on an education for their children, they make amazing sacrifices for their family members and think nothing of it... The list goes on.

They are also disgusted with the way certain sects have hijacked the message of their religion.

Too bad hank1 gave up on us. I was interested in knowing which kind of Muslim he was. Unfortunately, I think he lacked the ability to read and respond to questions.