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DeltAlum 09-30-2005 10:00 AM

Where's the outrage???
 
As I read somewhere yesterday, it hasn't been a good week for the Republicans...

DeLay is indicted. Frist is investigated. Now, I. Lewis Libby, a high ranking official close to the Vice President, is named as source in the Palme (sp?) matter for which a NY Times reporter went to prison for two months to protect him.

As a Moderate Independent I sit and watch posters, whom I won't name because we all know who they are, jump on every ridiculous article and/or rumor that has anything to do with any Liberal or Democrat and just shake my head an wonder...

Where's the outrage for the other side?

Innocent until proven guilty you say? Absolutely. But that goes both ways as well.

Lindz928 09-30-2005 10:50 AM

I don't like Delay.... That's about all I have right now. Sorry.

I'm still reading stuff about the others.

I don't like any politicians who are just bad people.

AlphaFrog 09-30-2005 10:56 AM

I think both sides are full of sh*t, and don't really care to read about any of the crap they are pulling.

valkyrie 09-30-2005 11:28 AM

DA, I'm outraged but I tend to refrain from posting much about politics here because I don't really see the point. I heard a report on NPR this morning about what the Republicans in the House are trying to do to the Endangered Species Act and I am LIVID -- but you know, I have my opinion and arguing about it isn't going to change my mind or anybody else's, you know?

BTW, this is only relevant to CO residents, but TABOR is something else that makes me livid. Vote "yes" on Referenda C & D!

Rudey 09-30-2005 12:16 PM

Re: Where's the outrage???
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
As I read somewhere yesterday, it hasn't been a good week for the Republicans...

DeLay is indicted. Frist is investigated. Now, I. Lewis Libby, a high ranking official close to the Vice President, is named as source in the Palme (sp?) matter for which a NY Times reporter went to prison for two months to protect him.

As a Moderate Independent I sit and watch posters, whom I won't name because we all know who they are, jump on every ridiculous article and/or rumor that has anything to do with any Liberal or Democrat and just shake my head an wonder...

Where's the outrage for the other side?

Innocent until proven guilty you say? Absolutely. But that goes both ways as well.

Are you sure you are a moderate?

And yes, in America, it is innocent until proven guilty. You obviously need no reminder as you've already posted this. When we have convictions or strong evidence suggesting something, then it's a different matter.

Right now everything is at such a preliminary stage that nothing is known. There is a prosecutor with an awful reputation involved. If people had to hate a politician I doubt they'd have much trouble, but that complicates things.

And Libby? Well actually Libby was named because he told the reporter that she should testify. Great ethics if you ask me. But maybe others would rather he not have helped her out.

And what are these cases that others were outraged about before?

By the way we just sat a Supreme Court Justice in such a short amount of time that Harry the Dem looked like a jailhouse wife. Funny how some complained that they didn't know enough about him and now such a young man will serve for so long as the chief justice. There isn't a single leader for the Dems and there is massive infighting between the freaks on the left (moveon.org) and the centrists (Clinton) that it will involve a total combustion of the Republican party before they benefit to such a high extent.

And at the end of the day, it's the game of politics. Aside from the issues which the Dems have no solutions to, they can't play the game. This week is their best week and I will bet you a big mac that it still won't help them much.

-Rudey

DeltAlum 09-30-2005 01:18 PM

Rudey,

Yeah, I think I'm moderate.

I said I wouldn't name names -- and I won't. There are a number of posters who jump with both feet on anything even slightly detrimental to anyone left of Atilla The Hun -- including moderates.

Valkyrie, couldn't agree more with you on C&D. I don't think you were here yet when Tabor passed. What a cluster...

AGDee 09-30-2005 01:40 PM

After you're outraged at everything that has gone on over the past few years, you become resigned to the fact that you just have to somehow get through the next 3 years and pray a whole lot that the Constitution will still be a valid document. I will express my outrage at the polls, but until then, I don't think that insulting people will change anything (ie. we're feeling helpless and hopeless).

Dee

Rudey 09-30-2005 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Rudey,

Yeah, I think I'm moderate.

Me too :)

-Rudey

hoosier 09-30-2005 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I think both sides are full of sh*t, and don't really care to read about any of the crap they are pulling.
Hope you don't vote.

hoosier 09-30-2005 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AGDee
I don't think that insulting people will change anything

Dee

Agree totally. But it seems to me that the ones who repeatedly condem "the politics of personal destruction" are the ones who most often practice "the politics of personal destruction"

hoosier 09-30-2005 05:03 PM

I feel that many of the GCers who take up the case against the libs, dems, abortionists, unions, etc. are really the "equal time".

The mass media (newspapers, TV, NPR, Time, Newsweek, US News, etc.) have become the media wing of the Democratic party - freely and continually repeating everything that the dems, abortionists, unions, etc. spout.

Now, freely and continually repeating everything might be acceptable, if any other side or any critical analysis was included.

They allow Ted Kennedy to spout moral judgements condeming Bennett, but never mention the girl that died in TK's back seat while he left the scene to compose his alibi. How can he comment legitimately on morals?

(Latest Chappaquidick rumor: Mary Jo was passed out in the back seat, and unknowingly Kennedy and another girl got into the front seat to drive to a some secluded place. Didn't know until the car was pulled out that Mary Jo was there.)

As Edward R. Murrow wished: we're equal time. We love you all.

valkyrie 09-30-2005 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
The mass media (newspapers, TV, NPR, Time, Newsweek, US News, etc.) have become the media wing of the Democratic party - freely and continually repeating everything that the dems, abortionists, unions, etc. spout.

Please provide a cite to instances of abortionists spouting something on the news. I can think of one instance of an abortion doctor being interviewed on a news program. That was months ago and in response to various death threats he received from anti-abortion crazies.

KSigkid 09-30-2005 06:59 PM

Re: Where's the outrage???
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
As I read somewhere yesterday, it hasn't been a good week for the Republicans...

DeLay is indicted. Frist is investigated. Now, I. Lewis Libby, a high ranking official close to the Vice President, is named as source in the Palme (sp?) matter for which a NY Times reporter went to prison for two months to protect him.

As a Moderate Independent I sit and watch posters, whom I won't name because we all know who they are, jump on every ridiculous article and/or rumor that has anything to do with any Liberal or Democrat and just shake my head an wonder...

Where's the outrage for the other side?

Innocent until proven guilty you say? Absolutely. But that goes both ways as well.

It works both ways on this site - I sit and watch posters on the left jump on anything that even remotely looks like it could hurt the right.

One of the things that upsets me about this site is this talk that it's only the Republicans, only the conservatives who jump on other people. It's like there hasn't been any liberal/Democrat/whoever who hasn't crossed the line in their posts.

Something that makes me feel better is that there are some really intelligent people on all sides (conservative/liberal/moderate). There is enough good discussion to make it easier to wade through all the b.s. At the end of day people will just have to agree to disagree.

I will admit that there are Republicans/conservatives/whoever who have crossed the line with posts. There's not doubt that that has happened. However, it has happened on the other side as well, and to ignore that fact just doesn't make sense to me.

AKA_Monet 09-30-2005 07:06 PM

I'm on my side... Anybody not on my side is against me... My side is the only way!!! BWOOOOHHAAAAHHAAAAHAAA!!!!

Revenge of the Sith...

Or it's all about ME.COM!!!

Rudey 09-30-2005 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
I'm on my side... Anybody not on my side is against me... My side is the only way!!! BWOOOOHHAAAAHHAAAAHAAA!!!!

Revenge of the Sith...

Or it's all about ME.COM!!!

Stick with me. I'm always right.

-Rudey

GeekyPenguin 10-02-2005 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
I feel that many of the GCers who take up the case against the libs, dems, abortionists, unions, etc. are really the "equal time".

The mass media (newspapers, TV, NPR, Time, Newsweek, US News, etc.) have become the media wing of the Democratic party - freely and continually repeating everything that the dems, abortionists, unions, etc. spout.

Now, freely and continually repeating everything might be acceptable, if any other side or any critical analysis was included.

They allow Ted Kennedy to spout moral judgements condeming Bennett, but never mention the girl that died in TK's back seat while he left the scene to compose his alibi. How can he comment legitimately on morals?

(Latest Chappaquidick rumor: Mary Jo was passed out in the back seat, and unknowingly Kennedy and another girl got into the front seat to drive to a some secluded place. Didn't know until the car was pulled out that Mary Jo was there.)

As Edward R. Murrow wished: we're equal time. We love you all.

Hey hoosier, why don't you ever talk about how Laura Bush killed somebody too?

valkyrie 10-02-2005 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Hey hoosier, why don't you ever talk about how Laura Bush killed somebody too?
She was really sorry!!!

KSigkid 10-02-2005 04:46 PM

I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't think that either of these incidents have any political/public bearing now, as both have had to live with their mistakes for the rest of their lives. I don't think there's any worth in bringing up either of these accidents. I almost hate posting this as it will end up continuing a discussion that has no importance...

Actually, the Laura Bush incident was completely different from the one involving Senator Kennedy. While the Senator lied to police and fled the scene, Mrs. Bush, from all reports, cooperated with police and was upfront throughout. From every report I've heard or read about the incident, I don't see any connection besides the fact that someone died. One person fleed the scene, one did not.

GeekyPenguin 10-02-2005 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't think that either of these incidents have any political/public bearing now, as both have had to live with their mistakes for the rest of their lives. I don't think there's any worth in bringing up either of these accidents. I almost hate posting this as it will end up continuing a discussion that has no importance...

Actually, the Laura Bush incident was completely different from the one involving Senator Kennedy. While the Senator lied to police and fled the scene, Mrs. Bush, from all reports, cooperated with police and was upfront throughout. From every report I've heard or read about the incident, I don't see any connection besides the fact that someone died. One person fleed the scene, one did not.

I agree with you but I'm sick of hoosier being so anti-liberal. He's like a Cindy Sheehan on GC.

Rudey 10-02-2005 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid

Actually, the Laura Bush incident was completely different from the one involving Senator Kennedy. While the Senator lied to police and fled the scene, Mrs. Bush, from all reports, cooperated with police and was upfront throughout. From every report I've heard or read about the incident, I don't see any connection besides the fact that someone died. One person fleed the scene, one did not.

Exactly. That's why nobody ever calls John Kerry a killer even though he picked up a gun.

-Rudey

KSigkid 10-02-2005 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I agree with you but I'm sick of hoosier being so anti-liberal. He's like a Cindy Sheehan on GC.
I hear you, it gets to the point where someone's being so critical and it gets under your skin. There are some posters who annoy me on both sides of the coin.

I'm a Republican living in Massachusetts so...well, I definitely know it's not something you get used to or can ignore.

I find this thread humorous because I don't think EITHER side has been shy in letting the other know when they think something has gone wrong. I think it's something that's done quite well on GC; members of each party are very adapt at criticizing the other side.

hoosier 10-05-2005 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Hey hoosier, why don't you ever talk about how Laura Bush killed somebody too?
I've never heard anything except that it was a tragic auto accident.

hoosier 10-05-2005 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I agree with you but I'm sick of hoosier being so anti-liberal. He's like a Cindy Sheehan on GC.
Really a low blow.

Many have compared me to Edward R. Murrow and Will Rogers.

Since neither has ever appeared on MTV, you probably know not who they are.

GeekyPenguin 10-05-2005 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Really a low blow.

Many have compared me to Edward R. Murrow and Will Rogers.

Since neither has ever appeared on MTV, you probably know not who they are.

Thinking I watch MTV is also a low blow, Monseiur. The last time I watched that piece of crap, Bush I was president.

Tom Earp 10-07-2005 05:12 PM

hoosier, Me Thinks the Feathers Get Ruffled? WOWIE, Not surprised.

So What is the point of the last post?

HOOSIER IS A DICK? Or one that reports with Imbelishment to get the Read?:)

Which Bush?;)

Sistermadly 10-07-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Hey hoosier, why don't you ever talk about how Laura Bush killed somebody too?
Wait, she killed somebody? But she's a librarian! Librarians don't kill people!

(We just think about it an awful lot.)

honeychile 10-07-2005 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sistermadly
Wait, she killed somebody? But she's a librarian! Librarians don't kill people!

(We just think about it an awful lot.)

:D

Every librarian I know would agree with you!!

DeltAlum 10-08-2005 12:25 PM

I'm not too crazy about the Republicans or Democrats so I'm thinking about registering as a Librarian.

Or is that Libertarian?

I get so confused.

tinydancer 10-09-2005 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sistermadly
Wait, she killed somebody? But she's a librarian! Librarians don't kill people!

(We just think about it an awful lot.)

BWA HAHAHAHA! True, so true!

[hijack] Every time I see the title of this thread, I think it says "where's the outage and I feel sorry for all those people who must be without electricity. [/hijack]

texas*princess 10-09-2005 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tinydancer
BWA HAHAHAHA! True, so true!

[hijack] Every time I see the title of this thread, I think it says "where's the outage and I feel sorry for all those people who must be without electricity. [/hijack]

BWHAHAHAAHA

I was thinking the same thing about the electricity outage.

Did I miss the news ? Laura Bush killed someone!?!?

GeekyPenguin 10-09-2005 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by texas*princess
BWHAHAHAAHA

I was thinking the same thing about the electricity outage.

Did I miss the news ? Laura Bush killed someone!?!?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

There was a large article about it in a Reader's Digest during one of the elections.

Rudey 10-10-2005 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by texas*princess
BWHAHAHAAHA

I was thinking the same thing about the electricity outage.

Did I miss the news ? Laura Bush killed someone!?!?

I think it was after Kerry massacred some Vietnamese people.

-Rudey

DeltAlum 10-12-2005 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
I think it was after Kerry massacred some Vietnamese people.

Which is what he was trained for and ordered to do at the time.

Please be careful about these comments. There are a few of us who remember and could get very personally offended by the use of words like "massacred." It wasn't fun and certainly nothing to joke about from our perspective.

Thanks for your consideration.

Rudey 10-14-2005 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Which is what he was trained for and ordered to do at the time.

Please be careful about these comments. There are a few of us who remember and could get very personally offended by the use of words like "massacred." It wasn't fun and certainly nothing to joke about from our perspective.

Thanks for your consideration.

You're right.

I don't think it's funny.

I also don't want to offend you or anyone with regards to your service.

I have no problem with his service and commend him for it.

I also don't go around saying that Laura Bush killed someone.

-Rudey

DeltAlum 10-14-2005 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
I also don't go around saying that Laura Bush killed someone.

Thanks.

You are also right about the above.

The circumstances between the Kennedy and Bush fatal accidents are light years apart.

ETA that what happened to Mrs. Bush that long ago could have happened to any one of us.


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